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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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-Pyromaniac- said:
So for those who saw the promo for next week, who thinks that
Walt and Gus will finally have their long-awaited meeting?

I'm so anxious!

It really looks like Gus is in the DEA offices. That one close up towards the end of the preview looks shockingly like the very moment when his facade cracks and he realizes he's in trouble.

I love.
This show.
 

harSon

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nemss said:
I hope Breaking Bad doesn't go by the books, as far as dirty cops are concerned.

Just for once, I'd like for the cops to be wanting to actually do the right thing.

In a country that is over zealous in its war on drugs, how exactly would you go about building a long standing drug empire that spans the western hemisphere without having some inside contacts in the police department? It's simply implausible for him not to have some law enforcement under payroll.
 
Yeah I don't get why people are already forming their opinions on the matter beforehand already claiming it would be cliche. Wouldn't it be more realistic that he had some help on the inside to build his empire than believing that he did it completely without it?
 

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Zoller Seitz really sucks at remembering what's going in this show sometimes.

"Jesse and Skyler's increasingly absurd efforts to launder millions in drug money through one car wash"

"the question of how the supposedly super-observant Gus overlooked the fact that Walt has a DEA agent brother-in-law to begin with"
 
dave is ok said:
Zoller Seitz really sucks at remembering what's going in this show sometimes.

"Jesse and Skyler's increasingly absurd efforts to launder millions in drug money through one car wash"

"the question of how the supposedly super-observant Gus overlooked the fact that Walt has a DEA agent brother-in-law to begin with"

Ha, seriously. This show has amazing script supervisors/continuity, actually. When Jesse mentioned Dear John Dude running over his kid, I fell off my couch.
 

smokeymicpot

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-Pyromaniac- said:
Yeah I don't get why people are already forming their opinions on the matter beforehand already claiming it would be cliche. Wouldn't it be more realistic that he had some help on the inside to build his empire than believing that he did it completely without it?
Just something else to bitch about.
 
My god that last scene... Hank unfolding everything and getting sens out of this mess... Then crossing the line going all out about Gus...

Then again, LIKE A BOSS, firing his Ace card a point blank, the finger printer data match. OH SHIT
 

oatmeal

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UnluckyKate said:
My god that last scene... Hank unfolding everything and getting sens out of this mess... Then crossing the line going all out about Gus...

Then again, LIKE A BOSS, firing his Ace card a point blank, the finger printer data match. OH SHIT

Yeah, the best part of it was Gomez and his boss saw how weak he was coming in. They know that he's really trying to get something going since he's been absent, so they're probably just hearing him out to give him something to live for.

Then the bomb drops.

I would kill for a Vic Mackey/Hank spinoff. Can you imagine the pain they would cause? Even if Hank is in a wheelchair, he could be like Professor X.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Are you on blue meth? There is 0.00% chance Jesse dies before the season 5 finale, if at all (I don't think he will die).

Why not?

I think that is what the show has been gearing towards. The last couple of seasons he's been trying to tell himself he's the bad guy, and the group therapy scene was essentially more of that. And I think its going to be a tragic death that somehow gets back to Walt... perhaps something to do with the poison Walt cooked that is supposed to kill Gus.
 
oatmeal said:
Yeah, the best part of it was Gomez and his boss saw how weak he was coming in. They know that he's really trying to get something going since he's been absent, so they're probably just hearing him out to give him something to live for.

Then the bomb drops.

I would kill for a Vic Mackey/Hank spinoff. Can you imagine the pain they would cause? Even if Hank is in a wheelchair, he could be like Professor X.

Or these personna that Roger and Steve made up in American Dad. The detective in the wheelchair ahaha
 

xbhaskarx

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A cheap made up fake-game with shitty graphics would have been far worse than using a real video game. And if they're using a real video game, what does it matter whether it's product placement or not?

Same goes for the Dodge, if Walt is buying Junior a nice car, what car should they use?

tycoonheart said:

Hey you can speculate all you want but you will be wrong. Jesse is far too central a character to be killed off before the final season even begins. Or will it be like LOST where John Locke is dead but still hanging around in various forms?
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
Jesse is going to live hopefully thru the whole series. Mike might die at the end and will be Walt's fault. If that happens he will now be Jesses enemy because Mike and Jesse will become close. That means Jesse vs Walt.
 

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xbhaskarx said:
Same goes for the Dodge, if Walt is buying Junior a nice car, what car should they use?
I get so mad every time I see the Pontiac Aztek on the show. You can just tell it's Pontiac paying AMC to advertise a car they don't even make anymore and want to forget they ever did.
smokeymicpot said:
Jesse is going to live hopefully thru the whole series. Mike might die at the end and will be Walt's fault. If that happens he will now be Jesses enemy because Mike and Jesse will become close. That means Jesse vs Walt.
I think Mike will be ordered to kill Jesse at some point and won't be able to. Then it will be Jesse and Mike and Walt vs. Gus
 
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I refuse to believe Jesse would ever turn on Walt. Walt has just gone a bit crazy for 6 episodes yet people are already writing him off as an ignorant dumb fucking dumbass stupid piece of shit. When in fact he is just stuck right now, I'm confident he'll get out of the rut when it matters most, and if the promo for next week is anything, maybe it will mark the moment where he finally decides to get smart.

As for Jesse, I don't believe he'd turn on Walt because despite anything Walt has done to him that impacted negatively, it remains a fact that Walt put his life on the line to save Jesse's on more than one occasion, and the person that wanted him dead when Walt saved him is the person now trying to court him. Like Walter said in the latest episode (though kind of insultingly), jesse isn't stupid enough to fall for it.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I refuse to believe Jesse would ever turn on Walt. Walt has just gone a bit crazy for 6 episodes yet people are already writing him off as an ignorant dumb fucking dumbass stupid piece of shit. When in fact he is just stuck right now, I'm confident he'll get out of the rut when it matters most, and if the promo for next week is anything, maybe it will mark the moment where he finally decides to get smart.

As for Jesse, I don't believe he'd turn on Walt because despite anything Walt has done to him that impacted negatively, it remains a fact that Walt put his life on the line to save Jesse's on more than one occasion, and the person that wanted him dead when Walt saved him is the person now trying to court him. Like Walter said in the latest episode (though kind of insultingly), jesse isn't stupid enough to fall for it.

I'm writing him off for the same thing as like three seasons now, not 6 episodes: a repugnant piece of human fucking garbage who needs to rot the fuck in hell POST FUCKING HASTE.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I'm writing him off for the same thing as like three seasons now, not 6 episodes: a repugnant piece of human fucking garbage who needs to rot the fuck in hell POST FUCKING HASTE.
no, I'm not arguing he isn't a bad person, but people are acting like he's the most ignorant and fucking stupid guy on the planet and they hate him specifically for that, when in the past they could at least respect his smarts/strategy. But lets be real, he has been smart/strategic/decisive far more than he has been stupid which makes it easy to conclude that it isn't some permanent character change, as if Walt will now and forever be a stupid man, it's just a hole he is stuck in.

Never said you had to like him, that's up to you. But people were quick to rip away his props as soon as possible. I still give him it, there is time to recover.

also Walt is definitely not a good influence on Jesse but lets face it, without Walt entering his life he would be some bum on the street either dead or a total crackhead, especially after his parents kicked him out of their house (because he wouldn't be able to buy it from them).
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
no, I'm not arguing he isn't a bad person, but people are acting like he's the most ignorant and fucking stupid guy on the planet and they hate him specifically for that, when in the past they could at least respect his smarts/strategy. But lets be real, he has been smart/strategic/decisive far more than he has been stupid which makes it easy to conclude that it isn't some permanent character change, as if Walt will now and forever be a stupid man, it's just a hole he is stuck in.

Never said you had to like him, that's up to you. But people were quick to rip away his props as soon as possible. I still give him it, there is time to recover.

I don't think he's that smart either. At least street wise. I watched all three seasons this weekend and his sit down with Gus, "And further, I respect the strategy...I'd do the same thing." is so fucking laughable. He is so so far out of his league.
 

Imm0rt4l

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Jesse does a lot of dumb shit too, I'd say it's both of the their doings really. Jesse and Walt wouldn't be in a weird position with Gus if it weren't for his being so hotheaded, though it is becoming easier and easier to dislike walt.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
no, I'm not arguing he isn't a bad person, but people are acting like he's the most ignorant and fucking stupid guy on the planet and they hate him specifically for that, when in the past they could at least respect his smarts/strategy. But lets be real, he has been smart/strategic/decisive far more than he has been stupid which makes it easy to conclude that it isn't some permanent character change, as if Walt will now and forever be a stupid man, it's just a hole he is stuck in.

Never said you had to like him, that's up to you. But people were quick to rip away his props as soon as possible. I still give him it, there is time to recover.

also Walt is definitely not a good influence on Jesse but lets face it, without Walt entering his life he would be some bum on the street either dead or a total crackhead, especially after his parents kicked him out of their house (because he wouldn't be able to buy it from them).

He never would have been kicked out of his house if it weren't for Walt getting him cooking again. It was his mom who found the lab. I'm pretty sure that was setup after they partnered up.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I don't think he's that smart either. At least street wise. I watched all three seasons this weekend and his sit down with Gus, "And further, I respect the strategy...I'd do the same thing." is so fucking laughable. He is so so far out of his league.
he definitely isn't ignorant to what was happening, he called it how he saw it back then and was totally on the mark. In fact he is even right at this point in time in figuring out Gus's little divide and conquer plan.

edit: oh so MAYBE he wouldn't have been kicked out, but he wasn't doing anything in his life. All signs before he met walt pointed to him being some lowlife kid. He'd be just like badger and skinny pete, possibly worse.
 
Exclamation-One said:

I don't know if you knocked this little graphic up, but - seriously - who gives a fuck? It wasn't Vince Gilligan's decision, it was Sony's (or, far more likely given their penny pinching, AMC's). If it ensures that Breaking Bad's budget remains sufficiently high, I couldn't care less about product placement.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
he definitely isn't ignorant to what was happening, he called it how he saw it back then and was totally on the mark. In fact he is even right at this point in time in figuring out Gus's little divide and conquer plan.

edit: oh so MAYBE he wouldn't have been kicked out, but he wasn't doing anything in his life. All signs before he met walt pointed to him being some lowlife kid. He'd be just like badger and skinny pete, possibly worse.

He was a kid. He could have grown up different, better. He clearly has a better moral center than Walt. At every turn he's tried to do better things in bad situations. Help out Epyck, protect Spooge Jr, etc. It wasn't until Walter ruined his life directly by letting Jane die and, by extension, allowing Jesse to blame himself, that he really started doing outlandishly bad shit.
 

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BenjaminBirdie said:
He never would have been kicked out of his house if it weren't for Walt getting him cooking again. It was his mom who found the lab. I'm pretty sure that was setup after they partnered up.

Yes, remember in the very beginning Jesse refused to cook in his house, that was all Walt's doing. I think he didn't even want the RV to be parked there.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
He was a kid. He could have grown up different, better. He clearly has a better moral center than Walt. At every turn he's tried to do better things in bad situations. Help out Epyck, protect Spooge Jr, etc. It wasn't until Walter ruined his life directly by letting Jane die and, by extension, allowing Jesse to blame himself, that he really started doing outlandishly bad shit.
saying he COULD have grown up to be better is nothing but speculation with no more merit than saying that he might not have and just been a bum on the street.

He clearly has more more emotions than walt, but that's obvious, he is still just a kid who was thrust into a dark world that forced him to mature at a rapid pace and in the worst of ways.

I'm not even sure what's being argued lol, I never said Walt wasn't a bad influence, all I said is factually walt put his life on the line to save jesse's on more than one occasion, and Jesse knows that. Jesse has mentioned before that he hated that Walt has come into his life in his little outburst a long time ago, so it isn't something he has yet to realize, as if he will have some epiphany that walt has been a bad influence therefore he will now support Gus/Mike. He knows where he is, he always had free will, and now he's still breathing because of Walter, end of story on that one. That's my main point here.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Yes, remember in the very beginning Jesse refused to cook in his house, that was all Walt's doing. I think he didn't even want the RV to be parked there.

Yup.

I don't get how people find Walt even remotely sympathetic. If anything happens to Jesse before the series finale I might actually fist fight Bryan Cranston.
 
Not a single person in the past 2 pages said Walt was sympathetic, you guys are arguing against an invisible person, lol. ALL I SAID WAS WALT SAVED HIS LIFE MORE THAN ONCE, JESSE WILL NOT FORGET. That's why I find it hard to believe he'd EVER totally flip on Walt.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
He never would have been kicked out of his house if it weren't for Walt getting him cooking again. It was his mom who found the lab. I'm pretty sure that was setup after they partnered up.

He was almost busted by the DEA in the first episode of the show.

With or without Walt, Jesse's life was going on a downward spiral. So all this BS about Walt being responsible for what has become of Jesse is just that... BS.
 

kehs

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BenjaminBirdie said:
Yup.

I don't get how people find Walt even remotely sympathetic. If anything happens to Jesse before the series finale I might actually fist fight Bryan Cranston.
Dude had cancer ..... you don't turn your back on cancer people.


<3 Gilligan.
 

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BenjaminBirdie said:
Yup.

I don't get how people find Walt even remotely sympathetic. If anything happens to Jesse before the series finale I might actually fist fight Bryan Cranston.
Walt started sympathetic, and some people still like him from that. Lately, he's just a proud greedy asshole
 
I like how Junior was talking about the 20 inch wheels, when his car didn't have 20 inch wheels

also, walts perfect circles, i couldn't help but be bothered by that

but after that, holy shit! even ol' Bobby was in there
 
dave is ok said:
Walt started sympathetic, and some people still like him from that. Lately, he's just a proud greedy asshole

After watching S1-3 back to back, he really was always like that. Gilligz gave him outs like every three episodes and he never took them.

Human garbage.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I don't think he's that smart either. At least street wise. I watched all three seasons this weekend and his sit down with Gus, "And further, I respect the strategy...I'd do the same thing." is so fucking laughable. He is so so far out of his league.

Well its interesting you mention the sit down because Vince Gilligan gave an interview to Alan Sepinwall after the season 3 finale last year and he said that scene was where Walt had caught up to Gus and was maybe even a head of him for a while.

Interview with Vince Gilligan said:
Gus is also, obviously, very smart and cunning and meticulous. And when we met him last year, he didn't initially want to work with Walt because he viewed Walt, correctly, as reckless. And yet here this season he not only does the three-month deal with him, he then opts to continue working with him and builds his entire breaking from the cartel strategy around Walt. Why would Gus do this?

Gus is very smart, but he is not perfect. I think Walt's gambit of going to him in episode 9 - as most of our best moments are, it's borrowed from "The Godfather," the concept of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" - his gambit of saying, "I know what's going on and let there be no misunderstanding between us. I know you were responsible for my brother in law getting shot, and I know why you did it, and I think it was a great play, and I would have done it myself" and saying he was basically fine with it, I think in that moment, Gus felt he had a real partner, a real equal, potentially. I think he's a very cautious man, very careful, but he is not infallible. I think that moment kind of did what Walt intended for it to do, which was to relax Gus a little bit, and make him think he's got a very worthy partner, or at least a worthy underling. That bought Walt some time. And, as we were speaking about a minute ago, that was the moment in the season where Walt went from being a day late and a dollar short to ahead of the audience - and even in that moment, ahead of Gus. That was the intention of that scene.

Interview with Gilligan

So, I guess that scene was actually supposed to show that Walt was actually being smart and competent for once. Of course he still does foolish things and for a guy that's supposed to become "Scarface" he still has a while to go and a lot to learn.

Obviously, after this happens Walt will be destroyed in the end.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
After watching S1-3 back to back, he really was always like that. Gilligz gave him outs like every three episodes and he never took them.

Human garbage.

No, he wasn't. He had nothing to be proud about until he started cooking, made millions and made a name for himself (Heisenberg). Its last season, and now the current season that has shown him as being an egomaniac.
 
Mr. Saturn said:
Well its interesting you mention the sit down because Vince Gilligan gave an interview to Alan Sepinwall after the season 3 finale last year and he said that scene was where Walt had caught up to Gus and was maybe even a head of him for a while.



Interview with Gilligan

So, I guess that scene was actually supposed to show that Walt was actually being smart and competent for once. Of course he still does foolish things and for a guy that's supposed to become "Scarface" he still has a while to go and a lot to learn.

Hm. Interesting. I guess I always err on the side of bumbling when it comes to Walt. Because he's the worst human alive.
 
Mr. Saturn said:
So, I guess that scene was actually supposed to show that Walt was actually being smart and competent for once. Of course he still does foolish things and for a guy that's supposed to become "Scarface" he still has a while to go and a lot to learn.

Obviously, after this happens Walt will be destroyed in the end.

Its like Walt needs his back against the wall for him to be clever. How he thought about cooking Meth and earning some money for his family when he thought he didn't have long to live, when he took the explosive with him to Tuco's building, when he was sure Gus was going to kill him last season and killed Gale... otherwise, you're right, he is plain reckless. I think we are going to see that clever Walt in the next few episodes here, now that he knows he's close to being found out by the DEA since they're on to Gus.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Yup.

I don't get how people find Walt even remotely sympathetic. If anything happens to Jesse before the series finale I might actually fist fight Bryan Cranston.

I wonder if the show will get rid of Aaron Paul before the final season? All his talk about the final season starting to film in early 2012 suggests that he will feature in it, but then he could be acting purposefully vague in order to deflect any questions about Jesse's fate.

I'm with the consensus on here, that Jesse's life has changed immeasurably for the worse since he began to cook with Walt. During Fly, Walt says that the ideal time for him to die would have been just after his initial deal with Gus, and I think he's right - both for him and for Jesse. Jesse could have had the money, Jane, and a clean break.

There is, of course, a very strong possibility that he'd have injected, snorted and smoked up all of the $600,000, but at least he had a chance for a fresh start. Now, there's really not much hope for him. I think he'll survive the season; in fact, I think he'll survive the series, but his life will be much worse as the final credits roll than it was when we first saw him clamber out of a bedroom window and fall to the ground.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Hm. Interesting. I guess I always err on the side of bumbling when it comes to Walt. Because he's the worst human alive.

Yeah, I get what you mean, what with different interpretations and all.
I wasn't trying to be a dick by saying, look how wrong you are about our precious Walt.

The guy is a horrible person, a great character, but still a horrible person.
 
Mr. Saturn said:
Yeah, I get what you mean, what with different interpretations and all.
I wasn't trying to be a dick by saying, look how wrong you are about our precious Walt.

The guy is a horrible person, a great character, but still a horrible person.

Oh no, I didn't think you were being a dick.
 
blahblah...blah said:
I wonder if the show will get rid of Aaron Paul before the final season? All his talk about the final season starting to film in early 2012 suggests that he will feature in it, but then he could be acting purposefully vague in order to deflect any questions about Jesse's fate.

I'm with the consensus on here, that Jesse's life has changed immeasurably for the worse since he began to cook with Walt. During Fly, Walt says that the ideal time for him to die would have been just after his initial deal with Gus, and I think he's right - both for him and for Jesse. Jesse could have had the money, Jane, and a clean break.

There is, of course, a very strong possibility that he'd have injected, snorted and smoked up all of the $600,000, but at least he had a chance for a fresh start. Now, there's really not much hope for him. I think he'll survive the season; in fact, I think he'll survive the series, but his life will be much worse as the final credits roll than it was when we first saw him clamber out of a bedroom window and fall to the ground.

Jesse will live.

He'd better fucking live, Mr. Cranston.
 

Puddles

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People are hating on Walt now? He's easily one of the best characters in television history. The only questionable decisions he's made were letting Jesse's girlfriend die and bringing those cleaning ladies to the lab.
 
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