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[maharg]

Or, rather, "He will be woefully distracted by willful frustration at the preponderance of misgivings about his florid linguisticisms."

Haha. Awesome.

 

[RaidenZR]

Man, I miss Tuco. Dude brought such a crazy unpredictability to the show.

Tuco must have been a lot of fun for the writers. They probably just figured out what the most insane, dartboard-random behavior could be and settled on that, with choice lines to accompany it.

Sigh... The brightest stars burn fastest.

 

[Puddles]

She fucked Ted.

Seriously.

Anyway, glad to know there are still a lot of sane, rational people who love the fuck out of Walter White and want to see him succeed in all of his endeavors. Can't wait for episode 8.

 

[kehs]

Seriously.

Anyway, glad to know there are still a lot of sane, rational people who love the fuck out of Walter White and want to see him succeed in all of his endeavors. Can't wait for episode 8.

I, personally, hope he donates some of his "gambling" winnings to charity that should undo the little bit of bad fortune he has spread around.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Seriously.

Anyway, glad to know there are still a lot of sane, rational people who love the fuck out of Walter White and want to see him succeed in all of his endeavors. Can't wait for episode 8.

virtual high five brah!

 

[woodchuck]

This post was cold as ice and fully justified except this one. This isn't a hard rule, and a lot of style guides recommend using only an apostrophe only when the word ending in s is plural. But ... seriously damn.

yeah. it depends on the last syllable.

boss's daughter would be ok.

linus's daughter would not be ok. it sounds too awkward.

 

[N Coward Parody]

This show brings out some weirdness in folks, that's for sure...

 

[dead souls]

As far as that other dude, asking why I still watch Breaking Bad even though I hate Walt, it's probably because Breaking Bad is like my favorite show on television right now. I don't think, if Vinnie Gillz really wanted us to sympathize with this piece of garbage, that he would have blown up a plane over his head. (Which, if you're counting, I'd bet resulted in more casualties than Ben gassing the DHARMA Initiative. Whoops.) I think watching every week, repulsed at Walt's actions and then gleefully watching him get outfoxed by people smarter than him, punched in the face by people cleverer than him, etc; is exactly what Vince Gilligan wants to happen. Look at the latest episode. A Hi5 fist pumping moment that just brought that seemingly sympathetic protagonist closer to getting totally fucked. The show knows what it's doing and what it's doing is making Walt a terrible and irredeemable person.

This paragraph in particular is brilliant and summarizes my feelings on Walter White (and Breaking Bad) exactly. I'm not sure why so many people have trouble getting it.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

This paragraph in particular is brilliant and summarizes my feelings on Walter White (and Breaking Bad) exactly. I'm not sure why so many people have trouble getting it.

yep, anyone who doesn't fully agree doesn't get it. I'll clue you in, we don't care, that's the difference. He is the bad guy, and not a single fuck was given by those who root for him.

 

[brianjones]

what is it that you think people aren't getting exactly

there has to be some kind of repercussions, though, i don't think walt should succeed in all his endeavors

it would be kind of silly if he goes from high school chemistry teacher to drug kingpin by the end of the show.. how many other options are there though.. witness protection.. escaping to a whole new life through saul.. IDK

 

[Zeliard]

This is brilliant and summarizes my feelings on Walter White (and Breaking Bad) exactly. I'm not sure why so many people have trouble getting it.

I think what people are rooting for is for Walt to turn himself around and ultimately try to make amends, in whatever way, if it's even possible. He's become a horribly immoral person throughout the course of the show, but I also don't think there's no possible chance of any slight redemption whatsoever.

I do think he'd have to turn himself in willingly and admit to everything to even begin to make that angle work, but it would also take more than that. Of course if he just keeps getting worse, as it appears, then he deserves everything that's coming to him.

I find Walt an incredibly complex and interesting character and that's basically my "stance" towards him. However his story ends, I'll be cool with it if it ends up fitting with what came before.

 

[Puddles]

I think what people are rooting for is for Walt to turn himself around and ultimately try to make amends, in whatever way, if it's even possible. He's become a horribly immoral person throughout the course of the show, but I also don't think there's no possible chance of any slight redemption whatsoever.

I do think he'd have to turn himself in willingly and admit to everything to even begin to make that angle work, but it would also take more than that. Of course if he just keeps getting worse, as it appears, then he deserves everything that's coming to him.

I find Walt an incredibly complex and interesting character and that's basically my "stance" towards him. However his story ends, I'll be cool with it if it ends up fitting with what came before.

I don't even go that far.

I don't particularly think he's done anything irredeemable. All of the murders he and Jesse have been involved in were completely justifiable. Letting Jane die was the one thing he did that was clearly reprehensible, but blaming the plane crash on him is a huge stretch. I don't think you can make the case that if you fail to do good, you are responsible for all the negative repercussions that arise from that.

My ideal ending for the series: Gus is dead, the cartel is broken, and Walt is able to get out of the game with his family and settle down into a normal life.

 

[maharg]

I think what people are rooting for is for Walt to turn himself around and ultimately try to make amends, in whatever way, if it's even possible.

I was going to say that there *are* in fact people who think that Walt has never done anything particularly wrong or worth needing amends for, but then Puddles came along and demonstrated it. He even seems to think Gale deserved to die for some reason. Was it because he made better coffee than Walt?

It's perfectly understandable (even if I don't share the viewpoint) to me to want Walt to improve himself and get himself out of the shitstorm he's solely responsible for creating for himself. I've never tried to argue against that.

But the idea that he's anything less than completely at fault for the position he's in, and completely insensitive to the harm he's done to everyone around him? Nope, don't get that at all.

 

[Drewsky]

But the idea that he's anything less than completely at fault for the position he's in, and completely insensitive to the harm he's done to everyone around him? Nope, don't get that at all.

Even I can't imagine that, and I'm sort of a Walt sympathizer. I still like him.

 

[big ander]

I was going to say that there *are* in fact people who think that Walt has never done anything particularly wrong or worth needing amends for, but then Puddles came along and demonstrated it. He even seems to think Gale deserved to die for some reason. Was it because he made better coffee than Walt?

It's perfectly understandable (even if I don't share the viewpoint) to me to want Walt to improve himself and get himself out of the shitstorm he's solely responsible for creating for himself. I've never tried to argue against that.

But the idea that he's anything less than completely at fault for the position he's in, and completely insensitive to the harm he's done to everyone around him? Nope, don't get that at all.

Exactly. I truly can't comprehend Puddles saying "I don't particularly think he's done anything irredeemable. All of the murders he and Jesse have been involved in were completely justifiable." I cannot even begin to twist my point of view on it all to be able to contain that idea.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

what is it that you think people aren't getting exactly

there has to be some kind of repercussions, though, i don't think walt should succeed in all his endeavors

it would be kind of silly if he goes from high school chemistry teacher to drug kingpin by the end of the show.. how many other options are there though.. witness protection.. escaping to a whole new life through saul.. IDK

Are there not already repercussions? He could die at any moment. I'd say that's a pretty big repercussion, also who knows if his family is safe. I'd say that's a shitty way to live for the time being.

But I'd like to think he can take control and smarten up. I really want to see that. I'm human, I like redemption, I'd enjoy seeing it. If I don't see it then I won't be upset because it will be an amazing story either way, but while I still can I will root for Walt.

As far as I'm concerned, the only actively "horrible" thing he did was let Jane die, since she was an innocent. As for starting this rabbit hole of drug manufacturing to begin with, I chalk that up to naivete (is that how it's spelled). Not justifying it, not excusing it, not making excuses for it, it was a stupid decision. And yes even besides that he has done questionable things. And yes he is definitely a BAD GUY in terms of TV. But I don't see it as black and white as some others.

Either way, people can agree/disagree, I will continue to hope he does well, and by well I mean fuck Gus's shit up and take control. Like I said, I root for Walt/Jesse/Mike/Hank, hell even Saul!

 

[Puddles]

I was going to say that there *are* in fact people who think that Walt has never done anything particularly wrong or worth needing amends for, but then Puddles came along and demonstrated it. He even seems to think Gale deserved to die for some reason. Was it because he made better coffee than Walt?

Gale was well aware that Gus was about to have Walt and Jesse killed as soon as Gale felt he was ready to take over the operation. He went so far as to move up the ETA on when he would be ready.

After that, you're down to Krazy 8 and the dealers. All of them cold-blooded killers who were going to kill either Walt, Jesse or both. I don't have an issue with any of those killings.

 

[brianjones]

Gale was well aware that Gus was about to have Walt and Jesse killed as soon as Gale felt he was ready to take over the operation. He went so far as to move up the ETA on when he would be ready.

After that, you're down to Krazy 8 and the dealers. All of them cold-blooded killers who were going to kill either Walt, Jesse or both. I don't have an issue with any of those killings.

i think their point is that walt put himself in these positions though

you can say it was justified in a "him or me" mentality but walt made the decisions to get them there

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

If Walt is a horrible person for getting into drug manufacturing then Gale is a horrible person as well whom we should feel NO SYMPATHY for because he put himself in that position and should know better. When you fuck around with that gutter shit you can't expect good things to happen, and Gale fucked around bros, around he fucked.

 

[Puddles]

I do think that letting Jane die was a pretty terrible thing to do, and something that I wouldn't do personally, but he didn't actually kill her. He just didn't save her. If it works for Batman...

 

[brianjones]

If Walt is a horrible person for getting into drug manufacturing then Gale is a horrible person as well whom we should feel NO SYMPATHY for because he put himself in that position and should know better. When you fuck around with that gutter shit you can't expect good things to happen, and Gale fucked around bros, around he fucked.

i guess i feel sympathy for his death but not for being involved with bad people and cooking meth

then again i dont really know what gale's motivations were or how he became involved with gus

 

[Straightballin]

So does anyone want to take a guess at what the cartel wants from gus?


Walt?
Possibly Hank for killing the brothers?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

i guess i feel sympathy for his death but not for being involved with bad people and cooking meth

then again i dont really know what gale's motivations were or how he became involved with gus

it doesn't matter. The walt detractors are being so cut and dry, it should apply everywhere. Gale is smart enough to know how messed up and shady a business it is and he chose to get involved. I now present the the list.

A list of people who we should feel no sympathy for OR less sympathy for:

-Any of the drug dealers Walt has killed/been involved in their deaths (you bring that on yourself when you enter the industry)

-Gale (see above)

-Jane (can't be a drug addict and not expect anything bad to happen)

-Skylar (should have left Walt instead of enabled him)

Am I missing anything?

 

[blame space]

the cartel wants the recipe

 

[big ander]

the cartel wants the recipe

For the chicken?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

So does anyone want to take a guess at what the cartel wants from gus?


Walt?
Possibly Hank for killing the brothers?

I say either the recipe or Walt himself. I'm gonna go with the recipe, because if they wanted Walt, why would Gus go through so much trouble to replace Walt with Gale, wouldn't they just want Gale then after Gus kills Walt?

 

[layzie1989]

aaron paul with another stellar performance

 

[mysticwhip]

aaron paul with another stellar performance

Definitely gonna get another Emmy.

 

[Zeliard]

I was going to say that there *are* in fact people who think that Walt has never done anything particularly wrong or worth needing amends for, but then Puddles came along and demonstrated it. He even seems to think Gale deserved to die for some reason. Was it because he made better coffee than Walt?

It's perfectly understandable (even if I don't share the viewpoint) to me to want Walt to improve himself and get himself out of the shitstorm he's solely responsible for creating for himself. I've never tried to argue against that.

But the idea that he's anything less than completely at fault for the position he's in, and completely insensitive to the harm he's done to everyone around him? Nope, don't get that at all.

I agree 100%. I think it's pretty disingenuous to say that Walt didn't bring this on himself.

At the start, he is purposefully written and portrayed in a more sympathetic matter, though the viewer may not end up feeling that way. Decent guy who's been fucked over in his life business-wise, and now health-wise, and wanted to scrounge up some money in a panic before he died. It was a terrible decision to enter the meth business, obviously, but you could at least empathize with his thought process on some level, if not sympathize.

But then he has enough money yet signs another contract with Gus, enamored with the expensive high-tech lab, and getting himself into further mess. We've seen a number of examples of Walt being extremely egotistical and prideful, i.e. the dinner scene with Hank earlier this season, where Walt foolishly just prompts Hank to investigate further because he couldn't stand the praising of Gale. All of these characteristics end up hurting others, not just Walt.

As far as getting Jesse to kill Gale, what would have been the correct solution there, when you think you and your families' lives are in danger? It's to go to the police and tell them everything. Enter witness protection, since it's likely there could be retaliation, even with Gus and Mike behind bars. Obviously witness protection isn't a happy thing but Walt got himself into that mess, and every subsequent episode he's further putting everyone's lives at risk.

And NOW, again, Walt tries to get Jesse to murder someone else, not giving a shit about the substantial negative impact Gale's death already had on him. Making matters worse is Gus is a significantly more dangerous and difficult target than Gale was.

 

[maharg]

If Walt is a horrible person for getting into drug manufacturing then Gale is a horrible person as well whom we should feel NO SYMPATHY for because he put himself in that position and should know better. When you fuck around with that gutter shit you can't expect good things to happen, and Gale fucked around bros, around he fucked.

If *I* were arguing that the killing was justified, this would be a valid inconsistency to point out. If you're arguing from the position of Walt being innocent and justified in everything he does, you can't claim Gale deserved his death because he's certainly done nothing (that we're aware of) anywhere near on the scale of what Walt has done. And his apparent complicity in Walt's death isn't even on the same level, since he couldn't have done anything about it if he'd tried. Certainly not without losing his own life.

Also, on the moral scale my brain operates with (your mileage may vary), Gale sits higher for the simple fact that in his wrongdoing he seems to have brought no one else into his own insanity. Gale has not put people he loves into mortal danger and then stalked, badgered, and bitched his way through them rightly pointing out how dangerous he's made their lives.

it doesn't matter. The walt detractors are being so cut and dry, it should apply everywhere. Gale is smart enough to know how messed up and shady a business it is and he chose to get involved. I now present the the list.

A list of people who we should feel no sympathy for OR less sympathy for:

-Any of the drug dealers Walt has killed/been involved in their deaths (you bring that on yourself when you enter the industry)

No real argument here, though it certainly doesn't make him a saint in my books. Killing is killing, and even when it's bad people I'm against it.

-Gale (see above)

Also see above. I don't feel a lot of sympathy for him, nor do I see him as a horrible person as I do Walt. We don't really know enough about his life to really judge him, though.

-Jane (can't be a drug addict and not expect anything bad to happen)

Sorry, this kind of victim blaming doesn't wash with me. Not the least bit. Walt could have saved her and didn't. Responsibility for that act falls squarely on his shoulders and no one else's.

-Skylar (should have left Walt instead of enabled him)

She did. And then he did everything he could to force her to come back to him, right up to BREAKING INTO HER HOME and acting like he had every right to be there. That Skylar *gave up* trying to force Walt out of her life, when Walt has gotten increasingly unstable, is probably as much an attempt to protect herself as anything.

I will never, ever, ever understand anyone who claims that Skylar is on some list of people with strongly negative moral character in this show. Even the "she fucked ted" bullshit is a poor example, since she had BROKEN UP WITH WALT at that point. That Walt did not acknowledge this fact is demonstration of his completely delusional state of mind at this point. His interactions with Skylar for most of the last couple of seasons have been like those of a creepy stalker not getting their way.

 

[kehs]

it doesn't matter. The walt detractors are being so cut and dry, it should apply everywhere. Gale is smart enough to know how messed up and shady a business it is and he chose to get involved. I now present the the list.

A list of people who we should feel no sympathy for OR less sympathy for:

-Any of the drug dealers Walt has killed/been involved in their deaths (you bring that on yourself when you enter the industry)

-Gale (see above)

-Jane (can't be a drug addict and not expect anything bad to happen)

-Skylar (should have left Walt instead of enabled him)

Am I missing anything?

-Flynn, his mom is a promiscious wench and his dad is a meth dealer, but he's too caught up his Charger obsession to notice that Holly hasn't been seen in weeks.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I agree 100%. I think it's pretty disingenuous to say that Walt didn't bring this on himself.

Like I said above, at this point in the show, name me a single character that isn't bringing bad shit upon themselves besides hank. Everyone is or did from Skylar to Gale to Jane to Jesse to Gus to all the random dead drug dealers, etc...

If *I* were arguing that the killing was justified, this would be a valid inconsistency to point out. If you're arguing from the position of Walt being innocent and justified in everything he does, you can't claim Gale deserved his death because he's certainly done nothing (that we're aware of) anywhere near on the scale of what Walt has done. And his apparent complicity in Walt's death isn't even on the same level, since he couldn't have done anything about it if he'd tried. Certainly not without losing his own life.

Also, on the moral scale my brain operates with (your mileage may vary), Gale sits higher for the simple fact that in his wrongdoing he seems to have brought no one else into his own insanity. Gale has not put people he loves into mortal danger and then stalked, badgered, and bitched his way through them rightly pointing out how dangerous he's made their lives.

I personally agree with you about Gale, I'm the one arguing that THERE ARE shades of grey here, and not everything is so damn black/white cut/dry. There are some things you can't deny, but within those realms I do think there are shades of grey. Just like you can't deny that Gale brought it upon himself by entering that industry when anyone knows it's as shady as it gets. But once again he seems like a good dude, didn't seem to put anyone in danger, etc...shades of grey. I say that even Walter himself has some shades of grey. And in those shades I find enough reason to root for him, as I do many others in the show.

I was just being patronizing/sarcastic with the list

 

[iammeiam]

I say either the recipe or Walt himself. I'm gonna go with the recipe, because if they wanted Walt, why would Gus go through so much trouble to replace Walt with Gale, wouldn't they just want Gale then after Gus kills Walt?

Has anyone on Gus' side ever explicitly said they were going to kill Walt back when he had Jesse off Gale?

It seems possible that Gus was ready to forcibly ship Walt off to Mexico to placate the cartel, if he's what they want, as soon as Gale was ready to produce the blue stuff. Gus wouldn't care if Walt didn't want to produce, it'd be the cartel's problem.

Alternately, Gus has never been willing to give them his cook, and has been trying to negotiate an alternative. He failed.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Has anyone on Gus' side ever explicitly said they were going to kill Walt back when he had Jesse off Gale?

It seems possible that Gus was ready to forcibly ship Walt off to Mexico to placate the cartel, if he's what they want, as soon as Gale was ready to produce the blue stuff. Gus wouldn't care if Walt didn't want to produce, it'd be the cartel's problem.

Alternately, Gus has never been willing to give them his cook, and has been trying to negotiate an alternative. He failed.

Mike pointing a gun in his face was a sign of it lol

edit: they would have just driven him there not taken him to the laundromat with a gun cocked.

 

[Zeliard]

Like I said above, at this point in the show, name me a single character that isn't bringing bad shit upon themselves besides hank. Everyone is or did from Skylar to Gale to Jane to Jesse to Gus to all the random dead drug dealers, etc...

You're drawing a lot of false equivalencies. Walt's actions continuously harm others, and making it worse is he doesn't care. But either way, I'm not sure what your point is. Walt isn't a terrible person because there are other bad people?

 

[Straightballin]

the cartel wants the recipe

That would mean they want Walt, because according to the show no one else would be able to just follow the recipe, Walt would be needed. Even if not true in the real world.

 

[maharg]

I personally agree with you about Gale, I'm the one arguing that THERE ARE shades of grey here, and not everything is so damn black/white cut/dry.

Look, I'm a firm believer in shades of grey. I'm about as morally relative as you can get. I understand you have your own moral scale on which you weigh people and that it's different from mine. This doesn't mean I have to agree with it, and it doesn't mean I have to hold everyone who exists in the grey area as a moral equal to each other.

Puddles' argument seems to be that since everyone in this show is morally grey, all actions possible are justified. I'm actually not even sure what *could* turn Walt into the dark side of grey for Puddles at this point if none of the things he's done have.

 

[Puddles]

Look, I'm a firm believer in shades of grey. I'm about as morally relative as you can get. I understand you have your own moral scale on which you weigh people and that it's different from mine. This doesn't mean I have to agree with it, and it doesn't mean I have to hold everyone who exists in the grey area as a moral equal to each other.

Puddles' argument seems to be that since everyone in this show is morally grey, all actions possible are justified. I'm actually not even sure what *could* turn Walt into the dark side of grey for Puddles' at this point if none of the things he's done have.

If he started killing innocents or people who weren't immediately threatening him, tried to get people addicted to increase the clientele base, physically abused Skyler, or actually became the kingpin and made the decisions that lead to truck drivers and other low-level guys getting killed, I'd probably stop defending him at that point.

 

[maharg]

To me he quite clearly crossed the "killing innocents" line with Jane. He was already very morally dark to me, but that's him crossing the line as far as I'm concerned.

 

[GremlinFool]

No, you don't. People who love words don't use them to show off, and they don't use them in the wrong context. Below are some of the more noteworthy examples, but your entire post really does read like someone who wrote their argument - and I am not afraid to admit that it has some merit - and then put it through an online thesaurus to make it sound more intelligent, ironically robbing it of whatever intelligence it had in the first place. It very much reminds me of Google translate back in the day: you would put in an English sentence and it would translate it, literally, into another language, with the result being grammatically incorrect. This is what you've done here, and I just don't understand why. It hasn't served your argument at all, it doesn't make you look intelligent...why? Anyway, as you have such a compulsive love, here are some things for you to consider:

"delineate the bright line" makes no sense - you don't delineate a line, for one thing, and you probably mean fine line, not bright line.

"decrepit" certainly does not mean what you think it means.

"operating under your underlying assumption" is a horribly clunky phrase

"preponderance" does not mean importance; it doesn't work at all in this context

"oeuvre" also doesn't mean what you think it means, nor does it work here

You don't put an "s" following an apostrophe when the noun ends in "s" itself (Linus's)

"delineate the bright line" makes no sense - you don't delineate a line, for one thing, and you probably mean fine line, not bright line.

Source: dictionary.com
delineate: to portray in words; describe or outline with precision:
A bright line, in legal terms, is the antonym of a fine line in that there's a very DISTINCT point of separation.
From wikipedia:
"A bright-line rule (or bright-line test) is a clearly defined rule or standard, generally used in law, composed of objective factors, which leaves little or no room for varying interpretation."

He was, indeed, attempting to establish an inflexible, rigid interpretation of what denotes a sympathetic and non-sympathetic, in clear and terse diction. He was, in fact, trying to delineate a bright line.

"decrepit" certainly does not mean what you think it means.

Merriam-Webster:
: wasted and weakened by or as if by the infirmities of old age

Luckily, the English language provides ample room for figurative interpretation. I was simply pointing out his feeble and time-worn logic (particularly since he's a bit of a broken record in this thread, as indicated by the oft-repeated groans from prominent lurkers).

"preponderance" does not mean importance; it doesn't work at all in this context

Oh, but it does, my snide fellow.
Merriam-Webster:
1: a superiority in weight, power, importance, or strength

It can be used in any such context. He was discussing the gravity of particular traits in redeeming an individual, and preponderance is perfectly apt. Rereading it, the phrasing might've been a little wonky, but I wrote the post out in kind of a rush.


"oeuvre" also doesn't mean what you think it means, nor does it work here
Dictionary.com
1.the works of a writer, painter, or the like, taken as a whole.
2.any one of the works of a writer, painter, or the like.

And Breaking Bad is most certainly a work of art.

We'll agree to disagree on the fluidity of my phrasing, and both forms of the apostrophes are accepted in academic communities. Please don't try to lecture me, good fellow.


IN FACT, to amend your 's mantra:
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/621/01/
add 's to the singular form of the word (even if it ends in -s):

the owner's car
James's hat (James' hat is also acceptable. For plural, proper nouns that are possessive, use an apostrophe after the 's': "The Eggles' presentation was good." The Eggles are a husband and wife consultant team.)

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Shit just got fucking real.

 

[GremlinFool]

I mean, we can wage language war if you'd like, but I'd probably win.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I mean, we can wage language war if you'd like, but I'd probably win.

Or you could instead respond to my systematic dismantling of your attempt at systematically dismantling my argument.

Or, to put it another way.

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Yeah.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

GremliFool just floored it and backed the car into blahblah...blah's twin

 

[maharg]

"oeuvre" also doesn't mean what you think it means, nor does it work here
Dictionary.com
1.the works of a writer, painter, or the like, taken as a whole.
2.any one of the works of a writer, painter, or the like.
And Breaking Bad is most certainly a work of art.

I'll just pick on this one because, well, why not.

Your original use:

I'll point to Fly as corroboration of this point, but evidence of this is littered quite literally throughout the oeuvre of the show

implies that 'the show' has an oeuvre. That is, according to the definition you quote above, 'the show' is a writer, painter, or the like with a set of separate works that can be taken as a whole.

Vince Gilligan has an oeuvre. It also somewhat includes the X-Files, for example. Breaking Bad is a part of Vince Gilligan's oeuvre (as well as the other people involved in the creation of the show). Breaking Bad itself does not have an oeuvre.

This is ridiculous nitpicking that's really pointless. We all got what you meant when you said that. The only reason it came up is because you ran your post through a thesaurus, and in so doing basically demanded that we hold you to a higher standard. And also forced us to wade through ridiculously hammy text, which is frustrating even when we do know the meaning of every contrived use of a word you wrote.

 

[GremlinFool]

I'll just pick on this one because, well, why not.

Your original use:


implies that 'the show' has an oeuvre. That is, according to the definition you quote above, 'the show' is a writer, painter, or the like with a set of separate works that can be taken as a whole.

Vince Gilligan has an oeuvre. It also includes the X-Files, for example. Breaking Bad is a part of Vince Gilligan's oeuvre (as well as the other people involved in the creation of the show). Breaking Bad itself does not have an oeuvre.

This is ridiculous nitpicking that's really pointless. We all got what you meant when you said that. The only reason it came up is because you ran your post through a thesaurus, and in so doing basically demanded that we hold you to a higher standard. And also forced us to wade through ridiculously hammy text, which is frustrating even if you do know the meaning of every word you wrote.

I can see how it's misleading phrasing, but I wasn't implying that the object of the oeuvre was the show. I was indicating throughout the Breaking Bad opus, there are examples littered there. Again, I didn't proofread and it probably would've been more prudent to word it in the manner I just indicated, but I wouldn't concede that the phraseology is overtly incorrect, particularly since oeuvre can connote a single, albeit large-scale, piece of art.

 

[GremlinFool]

And for what it's worth, I didn't use a single reference source, not to seem ostentatious or pompous or anything. Just worth noting, because I hold myself to a rather higher standard than that. If it came across as obtuse or dense, I apologize. But if you guys bite, I can bite back and defend my syntax.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Shit gettin real:

I'm pretty sure Walt is going to cross all of our moral boundaries at some point.

 

[Discotheque]

what moral boundary hasn't he crossed yet? man some of you guys are tough cookies. At this rate he's going to have to rape an entire school full of children and then shoot his balls off and smear the blood on a church wall....

...and Puddles still won't know why everybody thinks he's a bad guy lol

 

[GremlinFool]

Or you could instead respond to my systematic dismantling of your attempt at systematically dismantling my argument.

Or, to put it another way.

6353 Juan Tabo
Apartment 6






Yeah.

I mean, I generally agree with your rebuttal. Lost almost seems campy in comparison to Breaking Bad. It's certainly much easier to grow more pronounced opinions of a character when their lives are subject to a microscope and are observed through an unfiltered lens. Lost was all about suspending your disbelief, so forgiving Ben for his sins is a much easier pill to swallow than subjecting Walt to the same treatment. Then again, I think it's pretty silly to impose idiosyncratic moralities on a show like Breaking Bad, which is designed to poke holes in typical hokey ethical codes, but I suppose that's another argument entirely.

I still do think Walt is a more sympathetic character than Ben, but it was always an argument of apples and oranges.