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BREXIT MAFIA | Pro-Having Our Lynch And Pro-Eating It

So day end is in about 25 hours right? I just want to make sure if the madness starts then I want to get on my decision train.

Right now I'm leaning nin over ouro, mainly because I am really having difficultly following his play. Like why did he lie? Has he said that? What post was it?
 

CCS

Banned
The thing is, I think that both nin and Ouro will probably get lynched at some point anyway. In the absence of a strong scum candidate, there's some value in getting a nin lynch out of the way now. After all, even if he is town, so far he's been anti-town town
 

Flame_AC

Member
The problem with the idea of Nin wanting to draw a night kill is that he was getting suspicion from town by doing it. Scum would have no reason to target him while people were suspecting him. They would just wait and hope that he gets lynched eventually.

Hmm. I suppose this is also true, it would have been better if nin had not gone into further detail on their role and just kept up their act.
 
DAY 2 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

nin1000 (3)
Ourobolus 675
Spoiled Milk 679
Crab 715
*Splinter 717 742

Kawl_USC (1)
Fireblend 651

zeemumu (1)
nin1000 663

Spoiled Milk (1)
Zippedpinhead 524

Ourobolus (1)
Spoiled Milk 533 574
kingkitty 562
Spoiled Milk 575 652
Crab 622 715
CCS 710 743

Flame_AC (1)
*Splinter 528 717
Fireblend 536 651
Ourobolus 561 587
Spoiled Milk 574 575
*Splinter 742

Crab (1)
Kalor 744

Poltergust (0): Ourobolus 537 561, Ourobolus 587 675

No active vote for Day 2: backslashbunny, CCS (has previously voted), Flame_AC, Gorlak, Kawl_USC, Poltergust, zeemumu

Day 2 Postcount: *Splinter 20, backslashbunny 8, CCS 7, Crab 7, Fireblend 25, Flame_AC 8, Gorlak 0, Kalor 8, Kawl_USC 9, kingkitty 9, nin1000 16, Ourobolus 62, Poltergust 28, Spoiled Milk 19, zeemumu 6, Zippedpinhead 12


Day 2 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

9 votes for majority
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Btw I am on a short weekend getaway so I'll peek my head in here and there.

To CCS - honestly I'm not sure. My reads have changed a bit so I'm not ready to really call anyone "town."

Some thoughts before I head out.

Crab - just sticks his head out of his shell long enough
Kalor - is it just me or is he around more often
Polter - still feel like this is a good bell to ring
nin - hell if I know. It was a dumb move since no scum would both NK'ing someone that was negative utility to town, so I don't buy the argument that he was trying to bait an NK
Zipped - his comment on the vanilla role PM was a little odd

Btw Kawl is a bit of a blind spot for me, so if he's scum y'all are gonna have to help me there.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Also kingkitty being generally useful when he decides to show up (even if he is voting for me) brings me back to the days of Woof2.
 

Flame_AC

Member
Hahaha. I think it's a fair question.

After all, no one fights a war without trying to gather intel on the number of enemy combatants you're expected to face!


It could be three, too. Four scum would give town only a maximum of 5 days of total failures (1 townie lynched + 1 townie night killed), which seems kinda brutal, I guess? Three scum would give town a maximum of 6.
Perhaps 3 scum + a neutral then.
Probably this

^.
 
Seeing how chaotic it was today walking around the Magic Kingdom, I doubt I'll be able to participate much more after tonight.

I have little problem voting for nin after that stunt he pulled today, so I'm just going to go with that unless something crazy happens in the next few hours.

Vote: nin1000

I have to say that I'm very concerned about the less active (or non-active like Gorlak) people today who have commented little on the events that transpired yesterday leading up to the final vote. We cannot win this game without you guys being proactive, so get to it already.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Seeing how chaotic it was today walking around the Magic Kingdom, I doubt I'll be able to participate much more after tonight.

I have little problem voting for nin after that stunt he pulled today, so I'm just going to go with that unless something crazy happens in the next few hours.

Vote: nin1000

I have to say that I'm very concerned about the less active (or non-active like Gorlak) people today who have commented little on the events that transpired yesterday leading up to the final vote. We cannot win this game without you guys being proactive, so get to it already.
After nin I think going through the inactives should be considered
 

Gorlak

Banned
It's 8:23 am on a sunday, Pentecost. I'm at my parent's place since it's a long weekend (holiday) over here and it's been a while. I woke up early exclusevily for you all. Going to catch up now, sorry for not being able to be here earlier.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Spoiled Milk - are you going to explain anything you did D1? Why did you gun for Ouro so hard? It feels like you were going for him just for the sake of it. Blaming him for posting too much and being a distraction isn't fitting. Have you not played with him before? A load of witty comments and one liners is his habit, but in between you find enough content. He actually tries to further the game. I did not see anything unusual D1 from him, he even continued to get votes out of nowhere like always.

Now with his miller claim it's a different story. The timing was good, but we still have to deal with it. I'll come back to it soon.

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Crab in #302 you said you have reasons for not lynching Ouro, but you never came back to explain anything. Tell me, what was your motive behind that? And why did you vote for nin1000, who had no votes on him yesterday?
 

Gorlak

Banned
What else happened yesterday?

We have Fireblend's read about Zipped and how he shortly thereafter is very ambivalent about it once Splinter showed he doesn't agree ~ I agree with Splinter that this stinks. Makes me feel uneasy about Fireblend.

Poltergust decides a random lynch is best. And the discussion between him and Fireblend about this leads me to think they wouldn't be scummates. Bad thing is both of them feel suspicious at this point. Polter has a very different way of thinking and I have trouble to understand him.

Zeemumu sees a connection between nin and Splinter (#445), could you please explain this?

And the most dubious move from them all is obviously how Flame unvoted 2 hours before day end. Then he votes Poltergust with 5 minutes to go, only to tie the game in the last minute. This is absolute bullshit. Where is Sorian when you need him? If the contenders of a lynch are only one vote away from each other and the one with one vote more has not voted the other, it is practically a tie! I'm surprised nobody anticipated this?

Bats voted Milk and cocreated the tie. Kalor was late.
 

Gorlak

Banned
The death of batsnacks. I can't decide if it was because of this wifom opportunity:

THIS IS THE LIST:
Kawl
CCS
Flame_AC
zeemumu

Kawl is the best candidate but the reasons for the others are pretty good too. Lynch by the list, follow the blueprint!
stil here just loling at obvious-mafia Kawl

or because of the day end shenanigans: At the start of the day Polter and Zipped both referred to bats flip and said it makes Flame (and Kalor) look worse? Was this anticipated by scum? Do they coordinate to influence the discussion?

Contrarily to Kawl, I know I always read too much into night kills, but it's a habit I can't unlearn. But OMG is this bastard full of himself:

Personally, I don't put much stock into trying to decipher the meaning behind night kills. It's way to easy to play yourself via WIFOM.

Batsnacks is a strong player, not much more is needed beyond that. Of course being able to throw shade at another strong player (see post 582 for that in action) is just the cherry on top.

lolololol, why do you feel the need to pull out your dick and put it in everyone's face in this situation? Are you feeling a bit insecure and try to boast to fake confidence?
 

Gorlak

Banned
Man, I thought Poltergust was a new player, but in checking the player list, apparently not?

Vote: Poltergust

Oh, and this might look like Fire/Flame work together, but :/.
Sorry. I wasn't expecting to be away from this for 20 hrs straight.

In catching up, I know the wave of suspicion is currently off of me, but on my comment about me/Fireblend looking teamy when I voted Poltergust:

It was just a cheeky comment made in passing as I started my post just after Fireblend's vote. Ideally, my vote would have followed immediately but Fireblend changed directions almost immediately and so it came off kind of weird as my vote followed this change.

"just a cheeky comment" ... as if, I'd say you are very aware of how you are perceived. This self-awareness is suspicious.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Ok ok ok ok.
I will have go come clean after all since this took of in ways I never anticipated. Lol.
It was a not so great and not so thought out claim I did in order to please my inner self.
I seemed a way to prolong this stick I made up on day one.

get out

gonna have to highlight my own previous post:

I'm fed up with nin's antics. It's a pain in the ass to deal with him. This announcement is nothing but a way for him to reach the minimum posts. I've played with him enough times to know that he'll throw the game at a crucial point and that he won't help town.

spot on. nin... that's not ok
 

Gorlak

Banned
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The usual visualisation. Zipped did you explain not voting yesterday? Backslashbunny didn't post yesterday apart from the "I'm busy", right?

This makes me wonder, Ouro why did you not move your vote? You were clearly around. Didn't you have a major problem with Milk D1 or was it only the other way around? I doubt it. And today you also want to focus on Flame, what made you change your opinion? Why did you park your vote on CCS together with Milk?
 

Gorlak

Banned
town:
5. [m] nin1000 - it's incredible. I want him dead. He pulled the same sort of stupid gambit like always. He doesn't provide insight, he's not helping. Yet all of these factors point to nin being town! It's a vicious cycle. All this crap, but his lynch would be nothing more than a policy option.
2. [m] *Splinter - I'm a bit frightened by how much I agree with Splinter's view. Of course one or two things I have a different opinion on, but all in all he seems like he's genuinely trying to sort this mess and figure out scum.

between:
6. [m] Ouro - He gets minus points for withholding his role name, there was no reason for this. But in general I think he's helping the game. The timing for the miller claim was understandable (especially when you know, he tends to get lynched early and (if true) ended up with this role now).
1. [m] Crab - As many have said, somewhat inactive yesterday. His insight is substantiated, but his fixiation with nin is odd (yeah, I'm the one to talk) - feels like there is another reason behind this, is there Crab?

Null:
3. [f] backslashbunny - gives off newbie vibes, wants to understand what's going on
4. [m] Kalor - very impersonal. comments on a few things here and there, but doesn't get involved.
9. [m] CCS - Same as yesterday, I don't feel anything.
12. [m] zeemumu - the slight suspicion from yesterday's vote stays in my mind, but today's posts feel okay.
13. [m] kingkitty - liked his d1, but today he's a bit weird

uneasy:
7. [m] Kawl_USC - Mr. "I've got huge balls and am a good player". Looks like he's back to explaining stuff similar to earlier games, the ghost of bats still triggers some bells within me, haven't seen much scumhunting from him.
10. [m] Zippedpinhead - his argumentation at the start of the day is suspicious. D1 I crowned him king of the strafers. The willingness to go straight back to Milk, a few odd comments, something feels off.
17. [m] Spoiled Milk - I'm waiting for an answer. He created a lot of discussion around himself and all he's done is trying to get Ourobolus lynched. Yesterday he got the benefit of doubt and I wanted to see where he's going to take this, but it doesn't look like it's going anywhere.
11. [m] Fireblend - he dropped his roleplay, which I liked, surely a scum tell. Real reason is the already mentioned ambivalence concerning his zipped read. His reads are missing reasons (there is only a very short explanation about crab, after someone asked you for it, but you didn't explain your other lynch candidates)

scum:
8. [m] Poltergust - Random lynch and unwillingness to commit to a vote that matters. Wondering about bats not using his power, implicitly inviting other PRs to come forward and "confirming" themselves early. Giving advice based off a wiki. It doesn't feel like he's acting natural and that he artificially creates his views.
14. [m] Flame_AC - The end of the day is a very damning fact. No matter how much he highlights not having seen bats vote, that doesn't even matter. He knowingly went into the last minutes that this could happen. That self-awareness post is another aspect. And today there is only self-defending (yeah yeah, one very brief interjection about nin), but in general he didn't contribute anything today or yesterday.
 

Gorlak

Banned
ffs can someone please post... After all of this: I don't want to lynch nin today.

If we let Ouro survive today, we will come back to it time and time again. As much as I'd like to keep him around for activity reasons and even though I don't scumread him, it'll probably derail discussion in every following phase.

I feel most strongly about Flame_AC. But heeding Crab's advice it might be wise to start our search from a new angle? Poltergust would be my option for this.

Feel free to give me a compelling argument, why a Miller should be left alive. Either you claim and get lynched, because that's the only way to verify you or you shut your mouth and try to survive as long as possible without being investigated. Second option endangers the cop, so I understand your choice. But this also leads to only one conclusion:

Vote: Ourobolus
 

*Splinter

Member
I'd prefer lynching Ouro to nin. They're both basically policy lynches but at least with Ouro it feels like we have a chance to hit scum.

Staying on Flame for now because he's still my top scum by a mile.

I don't think Gorlak ever townread me before. I'm frightened.
 
DAY 2 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

nin1000 (4)
Ourobolus 675
Spoiled Milk 679
Crab 715
*Splinter 717 742
Poltergust 778

Ourobolus (2)
Spoiled Milk 533 574
kingkitty 562
Spoiled Milk 575 652
Crab 622 715
CCS 710 743
Gorlak 788

Spoiled Milk (1)
Zippedpinhead 524

Kawl_USC (1)
Fireblend 651

zeemumu (1)
nin1000 663

Flame_AC (1)
*Splinter 528 717
Fireblend 536 651
Ourobolus 561 587
Spoiled Milk 574 575
*Splinter 742

Crab (1)
Kalor 744

Poltergust (0): Ourobolus 537 561, Ourobolus 587 675

No active vote for Day 2: backslashbunny, CCS (has previously voted), Flame_AC, Kawl_USC, zeemumu

Day 2 Postcount: *Splinter 22, backslashbunny 10, CCS 7, Crab 7, Fireblend 25, Flame_AC 9, Gorlak 9, Kalor 8, Kawl_USC 9, kingkitty 9, nin1000 16, Ourobolus 68, Poltergust 29, Spoiled Milk 19, zeemumu 10, Zippedpinhead 12


Day 2 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

9 votes for majority
 

Kawl_USC

Member
When does scumhunting start?

This is gafia. So never.

Also seriously, day phases over the weekend suck for mafia.

I feel like we aren't going to pull our head out of our asses in terms of ouro or nin being lynched. Of the two I think ouro is a better contributor, but I also think Miller makes people more antsy than just being a liar so he's more likely to get revisited another day as a policy lynch which we need to avoid.

Need to reread thread again for a bit, but unless I pick up on something that gives me a strong scum read, I'll vote on of them so we don't waste a future day doing this dumb song and dance.
 

kingkitty

Member
Just want to touch base while I play some morning to afternoon Gwent. On the topic of Nin, who is leading the lynch vote at the moment. If he's town what he did was head scratching. If he's scum what he did was head scratching. But I suppose, what is more head scratching? My heart says it's a bit more head scratching for scum. I can't imagine scum nin proposing this idea during the scum night 1 chat, and have everyone nod along like it was some splendid idea. Sure, there's the possibility of Nin suddenly going rogue (just as I proposed as a possibility for my verify vote on Milk back in Day 1).

But in the end, between toasting Ouro or Nin, I'm keeping my vote on the former.
 

CCS

Banned
FWIW, I'm on board with Ouro being lynched rather than nin, but I suspect we'll end up lynching both at some point.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
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The usual visualisation. Zipped did you explain not voting yesterday? Backslashbunny didn't post yesterday apart from the "I'm busy", right?

This makes me wonder, Ouro why did you not move your vote? You were clearly around. Didn't you have a major problem with Milk D1 or was it only the other way around? I doubt it. And today you also want to focus on Flame, what made you change your opinion? Why did you park your vote on CCS together with Milk?
I was around enough to post my Miller claim. I had it typed up and copied and hopped on GAF quick enough the paste it (I was in customer meetings). I didn't have time to read everything going on.
 

Fireblend

Banned
I'd rather lynch nin first than Ouro, but ultimately from the looks of things they're both gonna get lynched so yeah, I'd rather get another day worth of Ouro contributing than nin being either a non-entity or scummy as hell.
 
At the start of the day Polter and Zipped both referred to bats flip and said it makes Flame (and Kalor) look worse? Was this anticipated by scum? Do they coordinate to influence the discussion?

Correction: I said my opinions of Flame_AC and Kalor did not change based on their votes, not that I think they look worse because of their votes, and that batsnacks flip had no effect on my opinion of them either.

Only batsnacks's vote changed my opinion of him to be a lot more positive, but since he died I can't really make the case that I thought that while he was still alive.
 
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The usual visualisation. Zipped did you explain not voting yesterday? Backslashbunny didn't post yesterday apart from the "I'm busy", right?

This makes me wonder, Ouro why did you not move your vote? You were clearly around. Didn't you have a major problem with Milk D1 or was it only the other way around? I doubt it. And today you also want to focus on Flame, what made you change your opinion? Why did you park your vote on CCS together with Milk?

I missed a last minute snipe by about a 1 minute. I previewed, saw day end and then didn't post it.

For what it's worth it would have been for spoiled milk. My vote will likely change off him today though so it's not wasted two days in a row
 

nin1000

Banned
Well if my hunches are right (and theirs), if it's Ouro and he's town then nin and splinter would probably be scum and vice versa

That is a huge pile of bs and you know it.

In the end our lynches will proof one thing
Me and ouro are town.

Town will feel bad as always and hopefully work from there.
 

nin1000

Banned
I'd rather lynch nin first than Ouro, but ultimately from the looks of things they're both gonna get lynched so yeah, I'd rather get another day worth of Ouro contributing than nin being either a non-entity or scummy as hell.

For what's worth I hope you will stay true to your colours and treat those other players such as Zeemumu and backslashbunny with the same respect after you took me out of course
 

Fireblend

Banned
For what it's worth, I don't want to lynch Ouro. I don't think he's scum, and I'll probably watch town lynch him while voting for someone else. You though, you brought this on yourself.
 

nin1000

Banned
For what it's worth, I don't want to lynch Ouro. I don't think he's scum, and I'll probably watch town lynch him while voting for someone else. You though, you brought this on yourself.

I am very well aware of that fire. I just want you to consider those who I mentioned in the coming days.
I town read ouro aswell for what it's worth
 

zeemumu

Member
How on earth do you come to that conclusion?

I'm still banking on you and nin being the same alignment and ouro being the opposite due to prior interactions.

Nin, you keep asking me stuff, but when I reply that I already answered and ask if you read those posts you ignore it. If you're gonna call me a non-entity that's fine but come on.
 

*Splinter

Member
I'm still banking on you and nin being the same alignment and ouro being the opposite due to prior interactions.

Nin, you keep asking me stuff, but when I reply that I already answered and ask if you read those posts you ignore it. If you're gonna call me a non-entity that's fine but come on.
This sounds like a justification for "Splinter being scum implies Ouro is town", which is fine, but I don't see how you got the reverse. That is, "Ouro being town implies Splinter is scum".

Can you also remind me why me/nin are so strongly connected in your reads? You're really banking hard on that, and as a general rule it's a bad idea to be looking for teams of scum this early in the game.
 
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