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Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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Mines in a church.
Balance restored.
Mine is in a grotty little village hall, not even sure we have any mosques in our county.
MmmSkyscraper
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THIS.
Flowcharts are very pretty but they mean fuck all when it comes down to the actual every day adherence as a business and implementation on the software side to support that (ongoing for me for the last year and a half). The interpretation of the rules is a clusterfuck and HMRC have been clueless (as ever) since before the rollout.
Don't know if this was posted, but just so you know, a French journalist wrote a troll paper urging UK to vote leave as a sacrifice gesture for the good of Europe. I thought it was amusing.
http://www.liberation.fr/planete/2016/06/01/brexit-saving-private-europe_1456634
http://www.liberation.fr/planete/2016/06/01/brexit-saving-private-europe_1456634
Phantast2k
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The Tory power stance is alive and well.
EU referendum: David Cameron grilled on Sky News live | Politics | The Guardian
EU referendum: David Cameron grilled on Sky News live | Politics | The Guardian
Jimbob Smalls
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The Tory power stance is alive and well.
EU referendum: David Cameron grilled on Sky News live | Politics | The Guardian
They look like they are squeezing a fart out but aren't sure if it's safe to do so.
George Osborne
To be fair, dealing with HMRC as a small business can be excruciatingly frustrating - doesn't matter if it's an EU law or one of Her Majesty's
VendettaRed07
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LolThe Tory power stance is alive and well.
EU referendum: David Cameron grilled on Sky News live | Politics | The Guardian
They really do the "CR7 free kick" stance?.. It's so awkward
The Tory power stance is alive and well.
EU referendum: David Cameron grilled on Sky News live | Politics | The Guardian
It's a decent approximation of the Len Ganley Stance, but I don't think it will win votes
The only people who were going to watch that were leave people anyway. Most remain people don't find the idea of watching Cameron talk all that interesting.
Actually, he played a blinder.
he had it scheduled for the same time as the England match
Seriously though, a lot of the main political commentators on Twitter for ITV and BBC said it was a confident performance, so that's what most people will end up reading about it. Only shaken on immigration.
Yeah, no idea if it was the Leave campaign or Sky prepping the audience with those prepared soundbites, but I can only assume there will be a few plants in the audience for the next one too.
"Mr. Give, who would win in a fight between Boris and Farage? Actually, don't answer that. The way your campaign is going we may find out" *chortle*
I always hate that the general public in these bullshit events are rarely just unprepared people asking a question.
Ravensmash
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I actually thought Cameron did a decent job tonight.
I didn't expect to say that.
Hats off to Faisal though, he's getting a lot of praise for his interview. Paxman jnr. ?
I didn't expect to say that.
Hats off to Faisal though, he's getting a lot of praise for his interview. Paxman jnr. ?
fizzelopeguss
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Cameron is a syphilitic lunatic. He needs to go, we can't have a prime minister hissing at phantoms and waffling four horseman bollocks like a King George III.
Only way to do that is to vote out the Tories. Cameron is almost leader by default since all the alternatives are even worse somehow.
The alternatives are far far worse,
Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you dont
The alternatives are BoJo or Osborne. You think either of them would bother with the veneer of nicety or things like legalising gay marriage?
To be fair to him (which I hate myself for), Osbourne would have probably done gay marriage as well. He's known for being very socially liberal, and has always backed Cameron's modernisation attempts in the party.
There's also this "Krauts for Brexit" video (German intro, but the interviews are only subbed, not dubbed)
Spuck-uk
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Unfortunately he's a dribbling idiot on the subject of the economy, and has been the foremost proponent of selling off our public assets in the name of austerity (and still comprehensively failed to achieve his goals while contributing to the deaths of hundreds of at-risk people via the bedroom tax and cuts to mental health).
The Tories are shitlords all the way down
ultratruman
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Pretty disheartening to see the audience erupt into jeering and laughing at the idea of another European war, or even another financial crisis. Has everyone forgotten about the shooting war in Ukraine that's been going on since 2014? People so myopic when it comes to these large threats.
Visualante2
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I think some people are still in this mind set that the only parts of Europe that matter are England, France, Spain, Italy and Gemany. Everything else is just fair game.
Camp Freddie
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Both Cameron and Osbourne would be gone after Brexit, so it's Boris or Gove, with Rees-Mog as the leftfield (or should that be rightfield?) 3rd candidate.
I'll take the pig-fucker over the imbecile and Grand Moff Tarkin.
For all his many faults, Cameron is on the liberal and less-right-wing end of the Tory spectrum.
mangochutney
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Yeah some of the questioning was a bit off-base.
Asking for a personal opinion if Boris make a good PM is not a question to be asking in this debate. It has nothing to do with being in or out.
Mine was in a church for the London mayor and General elections, but it's in some community centre for the referendum. No idea why, mind you.
Camp Freddie
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Yeah, it's like people forget that they were actually alive (excluding under-27's because they aren't the ones writing Brxit columns in newspapers) at a time when we were in a cold war with many of the countries that are now in the EU.
NATO stopped World War 3, but the EU stopped Russia from turning Eastern Europe into a series of Ukraine/Georgia-type conflicts.
But LOL, since "Germany will want to sell us their Audis" instead of invading the Sudetenland - so I guess the EU is useless after all and we've got nothing to worry about.
the public fucking suck
ultratruman
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I just had to laugh when that one guy compared international trade to Amazon.
ExtremePopcorn
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Do the Brexit people who shout 'FEAR, FEAR! SCAREMONGERING' whenever a think tank, economist or financial institution release a study into the economic impact of leaving the EU do they same when they go to the doctors or garage?
Carl2291
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People are laughing at his over the top scaremongering tactics and the fact that he got called out for his bullshit.
I should get that lump looked at? SHUT UP PROJECT FEAR!!
I don't think people are laughing at the idea of another European war, they're laughing at the idea that it's the EU which promotes European security. The EU could barely agree on sanctions against Russia for annexing the Crimea.
It's an odd one because I think you could argue that the job is done as far as internal european security goes, but I think if the EU broke up tomorrow it wouldn't be long before countries like Greece, Italy & Spain started to look suspiciously at their neighbours again.
But does that make it an issue in the UKs decision? Probably not unless you want to take a much broader view and say it might encourage other countries to leave.
But does that make it an issue in the UKs decision? Probably not unless you want to take a much broader view and say it might encourage other countries to leave.
Haven't seen any leave ones at all and only a couple of remain ones in Leeds.
Alx
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Yeah we're taking peace in Europe for granted because that's all we've known for all our life, but such a long time span without any internal European war is a first since... probably ever. And the Union certainly has some influence in that situation.
ClosingADoor
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For security, the Cold War and nuclear arsenal of NATO and Soviet Union probably did the job in preventing a major war. But regional conflicts (former Yugoslavia for example in the 90s) are still very much possible. For those, the EU can help to prevent it.
CharmingCharlie
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Erm no our politicians fucking suck the general public were just mocking a moron that tried to convince us that the UK leaving the EU could lead to World War 3. Yet the same moron 6 months ago was quite happy to tell people that he would be campaigning to leave the EU if he didn't get his precious deal.
As for the EU I think it had diddly squat to do with keeping peace in Europe. There are probably about half a dozen other things you could mention that played a more beneficial role in keeping the peace e.g NATO, increased trading and the abundance of cute cat videos on youtube.
I'm not sure how on one hand you can say the EU had nothing to do with reducing war in Europe and on the other hand say that increased trade definitely helped increase the peace...
Long term trading and economic ties have shown time and time again to be a good way to prevent war and increase partnership between nations, and the EU has absolutely been at the heart of that in Europe. It was the entire region it was set up as the Steel and Coal community in the first place...
Long term trading and economic ties have shown time and time again to be a good way to prevent war and increase partnership between nations, and the EU has absolutely been at the heart of that in Europe. It was the entire region it was set up as the Steel and Coal community in the first place...
CharmingCharlie
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You know this may come as a shock to some but we were trading with Europe before we were in the EU. You don't need a union or an FTA to trade with another country you just need to produce something the other guy wants and they will trade with you for it.
Now sure having a fancy agreement or being in the union makes things easier and cheaper which is nice but it isn't essential to trade. The EU had very little to do with bringing or keeping the peace in Europe. Infact if anything the way the EU has behaved with countries like Greece it could be the opposite.
Best is yet to come when the debt gets called in then wiped out because they cant pay it. What is it at now ? 300 Billion euro? 400 Billion euro ?
I'm sorry but you need to read up on why the EU was originally formed in the first place, what it did over the last 60 years and how (for example) ex soviet countries like Poland were brought into the seats sphere of influence through trading and economic ties.
To say 'we traded with Europe before the EU' is (bluntly) ignoring every aspect of history both of the U.K., Europe and the EU. Tying France and Germany together through the coal and steel community treaty was a massive thing that fundamentally changed the relationship those two countries have had for the last several hundred years.
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