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Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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It's happening!
ReplacementPelican
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You're saying all of them don't? I've seen plenty of racist shit said by people who want to leave. Nobody said the entire campaign but the 'aren't Muslims scary! They live in Turkey!' bollocks has waded into every TV debate I have seen. Just because something isn't explicitly said doesn't mean we don't know what they mean.
Nothing, and most likely whatever exit deal we get would also have to be put to a public vote.
ClosingADoor
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With the option of "Nevermind, we'll stay anyway" added at the bottom.
QuicheFontaine
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In the 2020 GE? We might have officially left by then.
The BBC feels that could be a snap election if we vote to leave and Boris Johnson becomes PM, they feel he would want to get the countries backing for the negotiations for the exit
QuicheFontaine
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Ah right. I guess that's possible. Not sure it would be a vote winner though.
JonathanEx
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Sun tomorrow.
Psychotext
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I'd be fucking astonished if 90% of the Sun readers weren't pro-leave already.
ferrasvansen
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Yeah and sun readers are the ones least likely to vote, despite all the chatter or huge numbers of labour voters drifting to leave, in the end these folk never bloody vote hence low turnouts in labour strongholds every time. I just can't see turnout being as high as people think in these regions.
killer_clank
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ugh. just ugh.
milanbaros
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Yeah. The idea of a pro EU Sun reader isn't consistent with my anecdotal experiences.
ferrasvansen
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It's amazing how during the Indy referendum the Scottish sun was saying believe in Scotland and leave UK. I think it's going to be out now anyway, funny thing is, I'm not annoyed as I thought since I'm pretty sure this will speed up UK breakup by some amount, something I never thought I would wish for.
I'd be interested in hearing the arguments disallowing Northern Ireland and Scotland having their votes counted in this referendum?
Then Sfotland can join the EU again.
https://twitter.com/pestononsunday/status/742016605253570560
What did you all think about McDonnell on Peston? I think he gets a valid point accross, but stumbles a bit in making it. What (I think) he's saying, is that the risks from leaving the EU do exist, but the focus and exaggerated claims by Cameron have been turning people off.
What did you all think about McDonnell on Peston? I think he gets a valid point accross, but stumbles a bit in making it. What (I think) he's saying, is that the risks from leaving the EU do exist, but the focus and exaggerated claims by Cameron have been turning people off.
JonathanEx
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Full Fact has done a lot of good stuff.
Royal_Phalanx
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fuck I can't move to sweden then
ferrasvansen
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Well it's certainly better than being stuck with racist little Englanders, who no doubt wish it was the good old days of the British Empire. Now that the deadly trio of Gove, Johnson and IDS move closer to power, anyone who doesn't earn more than 100k is disabled or sick, uneducated had better leave now, as they turn UK further and further to the right.
Thejackburton
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Calling everyone who wants to leave a little englander does the in campaign no favours. Might as well call everyone a closet racist if they disagree with you.
ferrasvansen
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Given how many in polls state immigration as their main driving force it's certainly more than a small minority. Even listening to some of my friends on Facebook etc it's like Enoch Powell wrote the scripts for all this.
Psychotext
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Might encourage those favouring remain to get out and vote.
oh yeah? How do you replicate the medicine research/medicine regulation side of it?
It's funny my sister asked the very same question. But bizarrely she is voting to leave.
She is an expectant mother, so I told her EU laws stay in tact for at least the next few years. So stuff like maternity rights should be okay. After that she relaxed... at least she'll not be affected by any future discrepancies.
That feels like the smallest glimmer of hope!
Ideally we would have reached this state a month ago so that it encouraged young voters at least to register to vote!
I must admit I am curious to see what the short and longer term impacts of leaving will be, a bit like being intrigued what would happen in a Trump presidency. If I were an alien and viewing this as though a tv show its a compelling thought.
I think the leave campaign are doing well just by countering remain campaign. Their attempts at promises are crap. Especially that NHS money stuff.
Still better than the Scots referendum. Anybody remember their optimistic oil prices based economics? God what a horror show that would have turned out to be. It goes to show that sometimes it isn't fear mongering per say, it is actual opinion and vigilant commentary by experts who know what they are talking about.
And I'm not just saying that as an englander, I'm glad the scots don't have to go through much more hardship they would have otherwise done going it alone.
Even as an ardent Remain voter, if a Brexit ended up (in the long-long term) speeding up the demise of a neoliberal capitalist consensus I can't say it wouldn't have been worth it.
But in the here and now, as someone who is from a very affluent (if only asset, and not income, rich) family who is struggling to find a compelling full-time, entry-level job, my concern is with how my economic situation could end up stagnating over the next two years.
ClosingADoor
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So she wants to leave, but only after she made use of the EU laws for herself? Sounds a bit selfish.
anonymous_abc
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frack you, I've got mine.
QuicheFontaine
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I dunno, maybe there's a few "undecided"s in there too? This still feels like kind of a big deal to me. Certainly it doesn't hurt Leave.
The mix of jingoism and thinly veiled racism is a potent one, Remain have not been able to counter that with a theme of their own. I don't think the average person understands the economic benefits of being in the EU, they just hear Boris and Farage talking about swarthy criminals swarming through our open borders and it makes them angry.
Or, people might be willing to accept being a bit poorer for a more robust democracy.
Can't believe the EU imposed onto us the House of Lords and FPTP voting system. I look forward to these items being over-hauled to allow Britain to be great again.
A bit? She openly admits as much. I have other sisters who distrust the Tories a bit too much to vote 'leave'. So it's kinda balanced out.
To be fair, leave campaign is hardly selfless in their aims.
Considering the public overwhelmingly voted against voting reform with the AV poll, I doubt they give a shit about a more robust democracy. Most people do not understand how our current system works, without even considering the role of the EU.
Don't forget the constituency remapping that coincidentally only benefits the current government.
anonymous_abc
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Either way a decisive vote would have been nice....
milanbaros
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The odds have shortened but you will still more than double your money if you bet on leave. The money is still on remain.
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