Horseshoe theory in a nutshell.
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Horseshoe theory in a nutshell.
As a young person myself I always find it hard to take "young" politics seriously. They're almost always way too radical and/or full of themselves.
Norwegian_Imposter
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christ
There's a difference?
It's almost like the Labour manifesto this year called for the end of free movement as well... oh wait it did. This really shouldn't be a shock to anyone that the youth wing of the party is following the same policies as the grown-ups in the party did.
WhateverItTakes
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Politics is always that kind of game where a lot of the people who actively want to play are exactly those you don't want involved.
anonymous_abc
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Royal_Phalanx
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The fuck is wrong with these people. Free movement is in the youth's interests. Which young person does not want opportunities to broaden horizons and gain valuable career experiences by working abroad.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I dont think you need to explicitly mention young, there.
TeamLeftMatch
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"I would have to learn the language and that's hard, besides they'll always want to hire a British person over an immigrant right?"
I'm not British nor European (live in London as a student) but I would love free movement. They don't know what they have till it's gone.
JonnyDBrit
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I guess the presumption is in the mindset of 'Well if we've left the EU anyway', but even then, Jesus. I might be a more orange shade of LD but is the sort of thing I'd keep in mind if I ever flirted with changing formal affiliation.
Still hoping to get out before it all goes to shit though.
Cult of Cornyn.
Well, if we divert that £350m a week away from the NHS to this we'll we'll be able to get that wealth back in...
...around 23 years!
See, you're not thinking long term enough. Everything's gonna be fine!
Ravensmash
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We'll even grow our own food!
Also, that's quite surprising for The Telegraph surely? Always struck me as a fairly conservative/pro Brexit paper.
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Deleted member 231381
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"Article 50 has to be invoked now [that we have voted to leave]."
The same way that after my car breaks down, I might say "Ugh, I'll have to walk to work now." It doesn't mean that literally right this split second I'm going to walk to work, it means that as a consequence of what just happened, in the future I will have to walk to work.
Corbyn campaigned for Remain, said he would vote Remain in a second referendum, committed to a manifesto which aimed to remain as close to the European Union as public opinion would allow for, and has been orchestrating secret deals with backbench Conservatives to guard against 'no deal' Brexit. I'm very unclear how you've decided he's the most Brexit-y politician (especially when David Davis exists), or even a Brexiteer at all.
frontieruk
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Even they cant ignore that big an amount of money disappearing
I converted most of my savings into JPY a few days ago, to prepare for my future move and to avoid any currency fuckery. Looks like I timed the transfer just right.
I can't imagine where anyone might have got that impression from his 30 years of making a career out of wanting to leave the EU, calling for Article 50 to be invoked or invoking the whip to force his party to push through an unamended Brexit bill.
Why wouldn't that be on the front page of the entire paper, rather than just in the business supplement? Am I missing something here?
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Deleted member 231381
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The first is untrue, and the second and third are just functions of the way politics is now. If Labour had refused to say they would issue Article 50 or had looked like they might block the Brexit bill, we'd be looking at Theresa May having a 100+ seat majority right now given how the electoral math works out. As it is, she doesn't have a majority at all, and the Remainer Conservatives can do behind-the-scenes shenanigans with Labour to water down Brexit, so... looks like Corbyn did pretty well to me.
It is not an immediate threat.
Though amusingly the last few paragraphs end with it being concern trolling that this would be bad for the EU.
Who is this City veteran? Leadsom? Lol.
Alternative preparations are already drawn up, so in the case of no deal, EU institutions and corporates get undisturbed access to the fixed income and derivatives markets. The only way this doesn't happen is if people think the banks want to play chicken with a supranational institution. This isn't political for them. This is their business. London only became a hub out of convenience. New York, Switzerland, Paris and Frankfurt will all benefit as a result.
The stupidity of Brexit is never ending.
I had a bit of a light bulb moment last light when reading that May is rushing off to do a 'please help' visit with Merkel
I think the UK will pay the fee for leaving if they can go to parliament with a trade deal, There is not a cat in hells chance she can survive walking into parliament saying she has signed off for £50 billion without any trade deal.... I think she is happy to pay if she can say for that I secured a comprehensive trade deal
I think the UK will pay the fee for leaving if they can go to parliament with a trade deal, There is not a cat in hells chance she can survive walking into parliament saying she has signed off for £50 billion without any trade deal.... I think she is happy to pay if she can say for that I secured a comprehensive trade deal
Um, whilst Im vehemently against Brexit and consider it one of the most stupid things ever, there is a kernel of truth in that article. London didnt become the worlds financial hub out of convenience - there are a huge amount of structural reasons why it succeeded and other cities didnt. You cant just instantly replicate that, and Europe will be worse off for not having access to the city and the investment and financial tools available there.
Of course, the City will be *far* worse off - both sides suffer, but one side suffers vastly, vastly more than the other.
Linkstrikesback
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Is Merkel not still cobbling a coalition together? Surely she has bigger fish to fry.
Well depending on how much value to put in the press stories, apparently Germany and France are the ones who are refusing to budge on discussing a trade deal, I initially did not give it much credence, but Mays sudden visit to the leaders suggest there is some truth there...
Or is it another sign of the United Kingdom not understanding the European Union and believing Germany determines everything?
TeamLeftMatch
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The narrative of the EU by the Torries is pretty much "Germany is doing everything and not letting other countries work." Look at the leavers attitude of the EU on the comments of the article (actually don't because it hurts to read these things), they pretty much believe that the EU consists of just Germany doing anything.
It doesn't surprise me that Theresa May thinks only Germany and France matter for the brexit deal.
Yeah, I've heard this thinking quite a lot. They think France and Germany don't follow the rules either and that's why they are so successful compared to the UK, manufacturing in particular. Weirdly their argument is just to let France and Germany take complete control of the EU while the UK has no say so if you're to believe their thinking, the UK is in even more trouble outside the EU handing the reigns to those countries, giving control more like.
I think May said if money needed to be spent it would be (after Hammond's sesh with Nicky Morgan/select committee et al).
Time to plant another magic money tree me thinks.
TeamLeftMatch
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I also love the "rules are not made in the UK, they want to weaken the UK" argument which makes no sense considering:
1.) The UK got the best benefits of the EU (own currency, own immigration)
2.) The EU have no benefits hurting the UK when they were part of the EU.
But hey, "The UK got their country back," so clearly everything will turn out ok.
OK, here's an analysis of this article:
https://notayesmanseconomics.wordpr...90-billion-as-claimed-in-the-daily-telegraph/
So it has and it hasn't, and somewhere in between.
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TeamLeftMatch
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I mean like you need your own visa to enter the UK, unlike getting a shengin visa for the EU countries (that and a landing card is needed when you land)
Frankfurter
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Yes, if true it's a stupid move by May (again). I've said this a few months ago: as long as that coalition is not setup, Merkel and Germany won't be able to do anything for May.
Coalition negotiations actually are only gonna start this week, because of the election in Lower Saxony yesterday (basically CDU didn't wanna do anything prior to those elections to not compromise their own state party there; which lost anyway). And it's gonna be very difficult negotations with the Liberals and the Greens.
PJV3
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I would fucking love the BBC to do that for the Alan Partridge show, Tucker makes his way back into the spotlight.
I honestly don't know what she is doing, this like the Florence trip is completely pointless. Is she just racking up air miles. Juncker isn't going to say anything but pay up and Merkel like you say has other things on her plate and pretty much doesn't care about the UK now anyway. The EU is standing on both legs without a scratch, the UK is the black knight with no legs.
May: "oooooh had enough eh! Come back here, I'll bite your legs off"
Adherents of the new Corbynite cult/religion.
Perhaps Spreadsheet Phil handed it off to an intern...
"It looks like you're searching for 'magic money tree'. Do you want me to help with that?"
Theresa May to appeal to Macron over Brexit transition period
That's not how this shit works. Christ almighty.
That's not how this shit works. Christ almighty.
TeamLeftMatch
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"Look, I know I said no deal is better than a bad deal, but could you help me after I leave from the EU. Please"
PJV3
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I think getting on her knees and grovelling is how it is going to work.
Evil Germans control the EU.....ask the Germans....nope....it's the bastard French....ask the French....nope.....I don't understand....