Psychotext
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Are you suggesting we shouldn't trust the Daily Mail? Unthinkable.
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Are you suggesting we shouldn't trust the Daily Mail? Unthinkable.
RedSparrows
Member
Observer laying the smack.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rver-view-on-theresa-may--brexit-negotiations
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rver-view-on-theresa-may--brexit-negotiations
That was brutal but definitely not wrong.
Oof. That was a harsh burn. Bitterly needed though.
I hope some people in the UK parliament will read that and if not anything else, take the last few sentences to heart. Whip or no whip, there has to be some remaining decency and integrity left in UK politics.
Hope you guys don't end up eviscerating your own democracy. That'd be a way too heavy price to pay for Brexit.
Toi toi toi, as we Germans say. I'm pressing my thumbs.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Just moved to the uk branch of where I work from Ireland.
Have the option to be paid in pounds or euros. Any advice on which one I should take?
Thanks guys
Euros are almost certainly far more stable on a global scale; whereas the pound could drop at any time because our politicians do something stupid again.
I'd recommend Euros, especially if the position is long enough that'll you'll still be there as we approach Brexit D-Day.
SporeCrawler
Member
see this is where i disagree. remainers didnt do enough and leavers did want to leave no mattter the consequence. the argument that people now fear for their childrens futures is just a cop out. if the people are the sovereign the sovereign must take responsibility and suffer the consequences of their own decisions.
no. may won the elction. she did lose a lot of seats but labor, snp, libdems had less seats that conservatives and dup.
sudden drive-by bullshit argument. why is any of this unreasonable? UK needs to pay for their commitments, uk will have to guarantee certain rights to EU citizens since they lack the concept of a constitution. also juncker is an anglophob? he was reasonable so far and when UK was in the union the uk tried to block him.
it did though. the arguments were clear and visible for everybody. UK voted that there are more important things than the economy or geopolitical positions. i am chuckling a bit about the unequal treaties wih china bit.. history works in mysterious ways
Royal_Phalanx
Member
Will you start the fans please......we have piled lots of shit.
We are such a mess. I go from nah, it's not going to happen to absolute disaster, they really went through with it and got no deal. Isn't it frightening that they are cool with a cliff edge/no deal, what sort of hell hole do they have in store for us that makes that worth it? The EU aren't going to blink if that's the Tory strategy so they actually are okay with just leaving and being the little fish in the big pond asking for good trade deals, it's insane but I suppose their jobs aren't at risk and they get a nice pension while being on some board earning more when everyone else suffers.
If it was 52-48 the other way it would be unfinished business, that was Farage. Twat.
RedSparrows
Member
It was a massive failure for her, given the context.
Psychotext
Member
God I hope one of the EU companies gets the contract. lol
By FPTP rules, she didn't win as she didn't get a majority.
The Tories stay in power, as a minority, because they were the already incumbent government and, thus, got first refusal to attempt to form a government.
Nobody won the last general election.
And so likely symbolises the whole sorry mess - we probably could produce things internally, but it would cost more and may not be as good.
In a way, it felt like a win for those of us terrified of an emboldened Tory Right with a "mandate" to do whatever the fuck they want.
The DUP won the last general election.
Royal_Phalanx
Member
Can they at least make the front cover not look terrible. UK passport is one of the worst looking passports in existence. Sweden, Norway and Finland have actual decent looking passports.
Royal_Phalanx
Member
Farage wants a Europe that cooperates but where no dirty foreigners can take your jobs /s
He's fuming because his precious, "career-long objective" of Brexit hasn't inspired a European uprising against the EU with all other white nations falling in line with our stupidity
Frankfurter
Member
We need a Europe without this cunt. Go away, Farage!
Not that it matters but a) we were free to change our passport colour any time and b) there was polling done on whether people cared about the passport colour prior to the referendum; they overwhelmingly didn't. It's a symptom of there being no obvious advantages to leaving the EU, reducing Brexit-supporters to these ludicrous arse-pulls.
We need a Europe where that fucking rat isn't in it. Go live under Bannon's fat fold instead.
JonnyDBrit
Member
ClosingADoor
Member
Is this dude still cashing checks from the EU as a parliament member?
It looks as if the EU Withdrawal Bill will pass it's second reading tonight. None of the Tories are going to vote against it, though Clarke might abstain, while there's a few Labour MPs defying the whip and voting for it.
Still, this isn't the end. It's not even the beginning of the end. It's only the end of the beginning, with loads of amendments from all sides bound to be tabled. And that's before it even reaches the Lords, who might not feel bound by the Salisbury Convention on this one. We're going to have some interesting times ahead.
Still, this isn't the end. It's not even the beginning of the end. It's only the end of the beginning, with loads of amendments from all sides bound to be tabled. And that's before it even reaches the Lords, who might not feel bound by the Salisbury Convention on this one. We're going to have some interesting times ahead.
sectionse7en
Neo Member
Yep, and a pension. Not sure what happens with that if we leave.
Farage being an MEP is the biggest joke of all. He's tried to be an MP 7 times now and failed.
When will they ever grow... the fuck... up. Here's a radical idea - do some actual governing instead of dragging this country through the muck over a single issue and your own in-fighting.
Aside from what a calamity Brexit is in and of itself, it makes me so bloody angry just how many other key issues affecting the country have been more or less forsaken entirely over the past two years (and with no end in sight).
Imagine how much such this or any government could've gotten done if Brexit never happened. But nope, we get more of the fanatics getting pissy over the colour of their passports or where they're printed. The Monster Raving Loony Party never came across as ludicrously slapstick as this.
I wish I shared your optimism. Say what you will about the Tories but for all their internal bickering and 'grave concerns', the rank and file fall in line each and every time. Soubry included. Then across from the aisle, astonishingly, you have Labour MPs happy to side with the Tories on this, despite every salient point Starmer made. The opposition won't even give itself a chance.
It's the same old, same old: "This thing is terrible... and I reluctantly vote for it. *mumble mumble* will of the people".
Many Labour MP's are terrified of being crucified by the right wing press / their own constituents who voted for this mess.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Amusing little sideshow.
Old clip that resurfaces every few years. Still fun every time though.
Barnier and Juncker will be giving him a kicking.
So more power for power's sake then, choosing to bow to ignorant populist rhetoric instead of actually doing good and leaving a positive legacy for the country. Tory 101, in essence.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
But isn't the Norway deal exactly what Leave voters didn't want?
The main reasons why people voted for leave were the four freedoms and EU regulations.
A Norway deal would mean that the UK continues to grant the four freedoms and abides by all EU regulations.
So the UK would still have to play by all the EU rules, just that they now don't have a say in crafting these rules anymore.
A Norway deal is probabaly the best case scenario right now, but its still a fucking stupid move. Its literally a compromise between Leave and Remain that makes no one happy.
I think at this point someone should just have the guts to say that the things Leave voters wanted can't happen and just leaving the EU for the sake of it would only have downsides.
Either that or you take voters by their word and go for a hard Brexit without the four freedoms, without abiding by EU regulations etc.
The economy will crash, people will suffer, but maybe thats what it takes for people to realize that anti-intellectualism isn't the way to go.
Huw_Dawson
Member
It may not get that far - once the government actually fails to get a deal with the EU it'll fall over and we'll get either some extremist Brexiteer group taking power lead by Mogg or someone, or another general election where the public can have their third go at rejecting Brexit at the ballot box.
To understand the British government right now is to consider the country as the man having to choose between the burning oil rig and the freezing ocean. Our government's solution to this conundrum is to cut open its own throat and cannonball into the water. It'll die from the massive blood loss instead of the hypothermia, but at least it died in its own way.
The entire point is to do exactly what the most headbanger of all the Brexiteers want, because this government and its ministers will not be around to pick up the pieces - it'll be someone else's problem. May will jump us off the oil rig, but I very much doubt it'll still be May bleeding out in the water. We're run by a government the majority of which are looking frantically for an exit.
Psychotext
Member
No-one has the guts for that. It's fucking hilarious.
The decision, in hindsight, seems so misinformed that it not just borders on insanity, but shoots right through and lands somewhere in the murky lands of utter lunacy.
The ability to course correct is not an anti-thesis to a functioning democracy, but a key requirement of one.
I think it's really nice to compare the Brexit vote in the UK with one in Switzerland a few years ago, where they voted against freedom of movement. Right now, while they do introduce some token measures, they have pretty much given up on actually putting up a hard limit, since the EU was clearly going to scrap their bilateral agreement altogether. Now I think that this isn't a failure, it's a pragmatic acceptance of reality. Otherwise you are right in "having my cake and eating it too" territory. Funny for the rest of the world to laugh about, not so funny for the people living there.
We'll see. The moment after the second reading vote passed, there were Tory MP's lining up to put in amendments, from Dominic Grieve to John Penrose of the pro-Brexit ERG. There will be some concessions, though I'm not sure if the Commons will really pass anything too strong.
KarneeKarnay
Member
My understanding from the Bill that just got passed, is that the government now has the right to modify any laws set by the EU, for the purpose of making sure they now state UK instead of EU.
It's much more complex than that, but in summary I'm right?
The problem as pointed by Labor is that ministers can make any changes they want with very little oversight.
The government argue that they should be trusted and allowed to make these massive changes, because there's no time to debate each law.
IT'S ALMOST AS IF THEY WERE DISTRACTED BY A SNAP ELECTION!
Now I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but making this exempt to legal challenge is some of the shadiest shit I've ever heard. Maybe this was the Conservative plan all along. If we don't plan for Brexit and prove our ineptness, we can pass a vote that lets us change any of the laws we want, without challenge. This shit makes me want to weep and I hope to god this is the last term for the con-FUCKING-serva-WANKERS-tives.
It's much more complex than that, but in summary I'm right?
The problem as pointed by Labor is that ministers can make any changes they want with very little oversight.
The government argue that they should be trusted and allowed to make these massive changes, because there's no time to debate each law.
IT'S ALMOST AS IF THEY WERE DISTRACTED BY A SNAP ELECTION!
Now I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but making this exempt to legal challenge is some of the shadiest shit I've ever heard. Maybe this was the Conservative plan all along. If we don't plan for Brexit and prove our ineptness, we can pass a vote that lets us change any of the laws we want, without challenge. This shit makes me want to weep and I hope to god this is the last term for the con-FUCKING-serva-WANKERS-tives.
SporeCrawler
Member
a norway deal is worse than leave as the UK would have no say in any EU matters yet would need to obey
what happens if the tories annunce themselves as permanent sovereigns of the UK? There can be no more legal challenge right?
So why did these Labour MPs vote for it?
JonnyDBrit
Member
As stated earlier, some are trying to avoid bad looks from their constituents by helping the Brexit train along. More broadly, there are those that given the constrained timetable they're in, the nation can't afford waiting on this bill longer than it needs to - they'll have time to question and scrutinise it later.
Funny thing is, Clarke was warning about just this last night. If they actually do take this, they establish precedent for any subsequent government to do the same.
Most of them are Brexiters :/