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[-Plasma Reus-]

Also, it's called a democracy mate.
Something you're very keen on when it helps you (such as when the Brexit vote was happening).
Now it's 'too many people have a say'?

Fuck me.

 

[Commander Jameson]

This will be an enjoyable hill to watch the modern Conservative Party torch their reputation for economic competence on, at least.

I'm not sure this will even happen. I imagine any future economic failures will STILL be blamed on the EU and them not giving the British people what they wanted.

 

[Evolution of Metal]

Are you kidding me. Did you not follow the Canada EU trade deal. A little tiny place put a spanner in the works there.

Wallonia, a staunchly socialist region of 3.6 million people, had been leading objections, demanding stronger safeguards on labour, environmental and consumer standards. It also wanted more protection for Walloon farmers, who would face new competition from Canadian imports.

Out of 500 million people.

You haven't reached the conclusion of the story. A few days later (Yes, a 7 year deal's roadblock was removed within days of the protest), Belgium has discussed with Wallonia politicians and the deal was good to go. The amendment was great for the people: it limited foreign corporations' powers.

You can spin this both ways: EU policies can be halted by a small population, or EU policies consider a small population to make sure the new agreements aren't damaging them.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Benefits will have to go both ways, there will need to be concessions on both sides, some of that is alluded to in todays statement of course.

I can see the EU project significantly shrinking or radically changing - I think it has to, it's been imposed on people across a whole continent, a vanity project which took no account of their opinions and places no value whatsoever on their individual cultures and circumstances. If it doesn't change, more will leave.

Please explain the bolded part.

 

[daviyoung]

Please explain the bolded part.

Cafe "Rouge" on UK high streets

 

[NekoFever]

Thank god we're getting out of the undemocratic EU, going around and giving too many people a say. Who do they think they are? Who won the war, etc etc.

 

[Corleth the Fey]

and that is the problem, too many people get a say, and Poland seem the most keen to fuck us, even though we have half their country here and support them, which is ironic

Try harder not to reveal your true colours, eh?

It certainly still seems to me an awful lot of work, just to get something akin to what we already had. These people are mad.

 

[theaface]

and that is the problem, too many people get a say, and Poland seem the most keen to fuck us, even though we have half their country here and support them, which is ironic

There it is. Well and truly exposed yourself this time. What a disgrace.

People need to understand that you cannot leave the EU and be inside the Single Market.

Huh? Of course you can. Leaving the EU and being outside the EU being ultimately the same thing, what would you call what Norway and Switzerland have? Single market access for non EU members.

Of course it's stupid to leave the EU to have a similar arrangement on worse terms, but that's EXACTLY what Farage and the Leave brigade were advocating in the run up to the vote. Brexit moronic thinking and then reversing in a nutshell.

 

[Easy_D]

and that is the problem, too many people get a say, and Poland seem the most keen to fuck us, even though we have half their country here and support them, which is ironic

How nice of you to tell everyone how you really feel.

 

[daxy]

and that is the problem, too many people get a say, and Poland seem the most keen to fuck us, even though we have half their country here and support them, which is ironic

Please do elaborate on how a population group that makes up at most 1,5% of your population is being used to fuck the other 98,5%.

 

[tuxfool]

Nobody is saying that the EU should piss in our cornflakes. I don't expect the EU to be anything but firm and fair because why should they be anything else. They've accommodated the UK for years, best EU terms. The EU isn't going to screw the UK over, they'll manage that themselves. The EU will look out for itself as they should and are standing on firm ground, you don't budge from that. The UK Government only has themselves to blame for the fallout.

You want to leave the best thing you ever had, fine but don't expect us to give you the best thing you ever had for nothing. Simple as that.

Previously the EU tolerated the UK with their prima donna attitudes because the UK was part of the EU. They no longer have to make exemptions any more, they can pursue their own way of doing things. I doubt that they will be punitive but they longer have that anchor.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Ffs

This is disgusting

wtf?

Given his previous posts in the past I can't say I'm shocked >_>

 

[Tak3n]

How nice of you to tell everyone how you really feel.

openly brexit voter, if you lived in my area you would be too, mass immigration has fucked my area beyond repair. unless we get a huge investment in services

 

[tuxfool]

openly brexit voter, if you lived in my area you would be too, mass immigration has fucked my area beyond repair.

Figures. We want them.

Given your disgusting statement, I don't trust your confirmation bias in this matter.

 

[Orniletter]

Find it kind of messed up some people not even frim the UK, want the EU to be ultra harsh on the UK. I find it crazy that some want people to suffer.

Our shared common goal of a prosperous, united and peaceful europe has been utterly betrayed by the UK after decades of enjoying an incredibly generous deal, after years of renegotiating opt-outs, special asterisks only applicable to the UK, Cameron deals and crying from the sidelines.

On the way out, the UK acts like utter cunts, even threatening the EU to turn itself into a tax haven just to inflict harm on the continent.

Your country getting what it wants would put our union in danger, because more would follow if it was this easy to get rid of immigration while still enjoying the same economic benefits.

And you want to twist this around to people "wishing harm" on british citizens ?

 

[Corleth the Fey]

openly brexit voter, if you lived in my area you would be too, mass immigration has fucked my area beyond repair. unless we get a huge investment in services

Where abouts do you live exactly, you know so we can check. Not that we don't trust you!

 

[SgtCobra]

openly brexit voter, if you lived in my area you would be too, mass immigration has fucked my area beyond repair. unless we get a huge investment in services

I haven't read all your posts in regards to this subject, but I presume your main reason for voting brexit was because of the current immigration policies?

 

[Tak3n]

Figures. We want them.

Given your disgusting statement, I don't trust your confirmation bias in this matter.

I live near, how is it called again

'Little Poland'

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

openly brexit voter, if you lived in my area you would be too, mass immigration has fucked my area beyond repair. unless we get a huge investment in services

Out of interest, which area is this?

 

[PJV3]

openly brexit voter, if you lived in my area you would be too, mass immigration has fucked my area beyond repair. unless we get a huge investment in services

But they voted for austerity in your area, right? The MP loves austerity if I'm remembering correctly.

 

[Pyramid head]

and that is the problem, too many people get a say, and Poland seem the most keen to fuck us, even though we have half their country here and support them, which is ironic

What a moronic brexshit stain of a sentence.

 

[Goodlife]

People need to understand that you cannot leave the EU and be inside the Single Market.y.

Wtf, why?????

 

[Principate]

openly brexit voter, if you lived in my area you would be too, mass immigration has fucked my area beyond repair. unless we get a huge investment in services

You won't get that from a post Brexit Tory government. (hell it's arguable if you would substantially get than under any post Brexit government from the major parties). What on Earth are you even expecting from Brexit. That the Chinese will buy up your neighbourhood or something? Probably more likely than whatever your expecting.

 

[Tak3n]

I haven't read all your posts in regards to this subject, but I presume your main reason for voting brexit was because of the current immigration policies?

I don't want this to go OT, cause it always end up with me sucking yet another ban, a mod will come in, see my posts and issue a ban. but yes largely due to immigration, and no I don't trust the Government to give us the investment to cope

 

[tuxfool]

I live near, how is it called again

'Little Poland'

I don't give a shit what it is called. I care for what is really happening, not what people think is happening.

What is really there could support what people feel is happening. But given the overwhelming presence of nonsense feelings over hard data from Brexiters, I don't trust anything they say to be true.

I'm done with Brexiters whining about "mobs in Plymouth".

 

[ittoryu]

Pound is 3% against USD today.

Forex traders don't know what they are doing!
They need to look at the experts calling it Armageddon on GAF. lol

People need to understand that you cannot leave the EU and be inside the Single Market. The Prime Minster brought clarity today, the financial markets are happy.

Already responded to you on this very subject. I guess you just don't care about reading.

 

[tuxfool]

Already responded to you on this very subject. I guess you just don't care about reading.

Check post history. It is littered with nonsense on a variety of subjects.

 

[Hazzuh]

Shes laying the ground work for the fact her entire speech was a lot of nonsense, and won't get us anywhere with Europe. Then we are forced to go to WTO level tariffs on goods because we're so fucking stupid she can say it was better to walk away than take a bad deal.

What deal could possibly be worse than WTO rules?

 

[Goodlife]

openly brexit voter, if you lived in my area you would be too, mass immigration has fucked my area beyond repair. unless we get a huge investment in services

Mass imagration will likely save your area in the next few years.

But yes, investment is very much needed in areas with high immigration. Spend a little now, reap the rewards in years to come.
But it's the Tories who've fucked that up, not the immigrants

 

[ittoryu]

I don't want this to go OT, cause it always end up with me sucking yet another ban, a mod will come in, see my posts and issue a ban. but yes largely due to immigration, and no I don't trust the Government to give us the investment to cope

Sure, it's all our (EU people) fault. You can't just say something disgusting and then say "don't want to talk about it". I'm glad I now know though.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Report on migration in the UK: http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/

 

[Beefy]

Our shared common goal of a prosperous, united and peaceful europe has been utterly betrayed by the UK after decades of enjoying an incredibly generous deal, after years of renegotiating opt-outs, special asterisks only applicable to the UK, Cameron deals and crying from the sidelines.

On the way out, the UK acts like utter cunts, even threatening the EU to turn itself into a tax haven just to inflict harm on the continent.

Your country getting what it wants would put our union in danger, because more would follow if it was this easy to get rid of immigration while still enjoying the same economic benefits.

And you want to twist this around to people "wishing harm" on british citizens ?

There's no twisting going on at all, it's why I said "some posters" as in not all. If you read my other post, I don't want the EU to be soft on us I want them to be fair. I am not asking for special treatment, I am asking for both sides to be sensible as there are actual lifes at risk here. As I said it will be the poor that suffer like always and not all poor people (like myself) voted to leave. I just don't think some of the posts that are said are needed.

 

[Joni]

Now it is clear. Time to split the UK. People don't want to be run by undemocratic institutions in London where their own politicians are ignored. Scotxit will kick out those people from England stealing jobs and putting fishing quota.

What deal could possibly be worse than WTO rules?

She could fail to get a WTO deal.

 

[Easy_D]

Mass imagration will likely save your area in the next few years.

But yes, investment is very much needed in areas with high immigration. Spend a little now, reap the rewards in years to come.
But it's the Tories who've fucked that up, not the immigrants

Most likely. It's a tiny place

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/11/census-boston-eastern-european-immigration

Roughly 60k inhabitants, and according to that article 10% of the population is Polish, wow, that's a whole 6000 people from Poland, what an absolute invasion. But stats are wrong I guess, he did say half of Poland, which would put his Grand Metropolis at around 19 Million counting the Polish alone.

 

[Facism]

and that is the problem, too many people get a say, and Poland seem the most keen to fuck us, even though we have half their country here and support them, which is ironic

Disgusting borderline racist rhetoric

 

[Tak3n]

I don't give a shit what it is called. I care for what is really happening, not what people think is happening.

What is really there could support what people feel is happening. But given the overwhelming presence of nonsense feelings over hard data from Brexiters, I don't trust anything they say to be true.

I'm done with Brexiters whining about "mobs in Plymouth".

little bit of evidence, the school my wife teaches at has over 50% EAL, reception is oversubscribed 5 fold... not hyperbole, fact...all the schools in my area simply don't have the spaces to cope... I dont know the % of EAL's at the other schools but I would estimate 30-40%...

so no investment, more immigration, equals massive vote to leave

 

[SgtCobra]

I don't want this to go OT, cause it always end up with me sucking yet another ban, a mod will come in, see my posts and issue a ban. but yes largely due to immigration, and no I don't trust the Government to give us the investment to cope

Thank you for your response. I'm interested into knowing why people wanted Brexit exactly. The ones I've asked irl gave me all the same answer; immigration policies. I guess the country must be very divided for it to come this far. It's unfortunate that people only look at this "problem" and not at the consequences and downsides Brexit will/can bring, but only time will tell.
The same is happening here in The Netherlands, a big portion of the (lower class) native Dutch people are "growing tired" of the tensions between them and immigrants and are massively flocking to Wilders' PVV party. No big party wants to govern with them so I don't really know how that's gonna work out for them in the end.

It's going to be interesting to see how Brexit will change the UK in the future and if the people will think if it was all worth it.

 

[tuxfool]

There's no twisting going on at all, it's why I said "some posters" as in not all. If you read my other post, I don't want the EU to be soft on us I want them to be fair. I am not asking for special treatment, I am asking for both sides to be sensible as there are actual lifes at risk here. As I said it will be the poor that suffer like always and not all poor people (like myself) voted to leave. I just don't think some of the posts that are said are needed.

After years of getting special treatment, the UK wants to be treated fairly?

I'm a pragmatist so I support the latter, but there is an immense hypocrisy there.

 

[Beefy]

little bit of evidence, the school my wife teaches at has over 50% EAL, reception is oversubscribed 5 fold... not hyperbole, fact...all the schools in my area simply don't have the spaces to cope... I dont know the % of EAL's at the other schools but I would estimate 30-40%...

so no investment, more immigration, equals massive vote to leave

That isn't the EU's fault. That is the governments fault for not building more schools, but carry on blaming the EU.

 

[Tak3n]

Sure, it's all our (EU people) fault. You can't just say something disgusting and then say "don't want to talk about it". I'm glad I now know though.

I base me not wanting to talk about it the reasons I have been giving for my bans....

mostly ranging in the ' shut the fuck up' spectrum, it has been done, gave my reasons, me going over it all again and walking into a ban is not ideal really

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

little bit of evidence, the school my wife teaches at has over 50% EAL, reception is oversubscribed 5 fold... not hyperbole, fact...all the schools in my area simply don't have the spaces to cope... I dont know the % of EAL's at the other schools but I would estimate 30-40%...

so no investment, more immigration, equals massive vote to leave

Why not vote to have more investments in to your schools? Seems like the perfect reason to have more money put in to your local schools.

Heck, you probably could get the EU involved and help with these schools as they do many welsh neighbourhoods.

The truth is, your tory government is taking all the money the eu is giving you and putting it in its own pockets.

 

[Beefy]

After years of getting special treatment, the UK wants to be treated fairly?

I'm a pragmatist so I support the latter, but there is an immense hypocrisy there.

Seriously read my post I said both sides need to be sensible. There's no hypocrisy, I am not the UK Government, I am not the people that caused all the problems and I am not a person that voted leave.

 

[tuxfool]

Seriously read my post I said both sides need to be sensible.

After years of being a special case, I certainly wouldn't blame others for being vindictive on the way the UK is going about this. If only in thought and not in action.

 

[Beefy]

After years of being a special case, I certainly wouldn't blame others for being vindictive on the way the UK is going about this.

I get it. But people need to realise there are actual lives at risk if either side decides to go that way. I am not saying every one being pissed off with the UK government and posting about it are wrong to do so. I am saying I feel some posts go over the top.

 

[nekkid]

Interesting that Juncker said of the plan re the UK "starting to be realistic".

 

[tuxfool]

I get it. But people need to realise there are actual lives at risk if either side decides to go that way. I am not saying every one being pissed off with the UK government and posting about it are wrong to do so. I am saying I feel some posts go over the top.

Eh, I think the UK is pretty safe from actively hostile players at the table. However, only one side is threatening to hold immigrants hostage, which speaks a lot to power dynamics here.

 

[Joni]

European immigrants to the UK tend to be working professionals while the UK immigrants to the EU tend to be older people. I don't think the UK understands the power dynamics on certain areas.

Interesting that Juncker said of the plan re the UK "starting to be realistic".

He didn't care for them thinking they could have their cake and sell it too.

 

[Beefy]

Eh, I think the UK is pretty safe from actively hostile players at the table. However, only one side is threatening to hold immigrants hostage, which speaks a lot to power dynamics here.

I am hoping it is just May trying to look tough. But I hate the Tories and see them as evil due to how they treat the poor and sick, so have no clue.

 

[Principate]

For those that don't know the dollar is crashing because of trump's comments about the strength of the Dollar against the Chinese Yuan which is killing US exports to the country (he's also correct and it's a scenario the Chinese have been pursuing for a while). So I'd be careful about any analysis based on the current rate between the two.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

I base me not wanting to talk about it the reasons I have been giving for my bans....

mostly ranging in the ' shut the fuck up' spectrum, it has been done, gave my reasons, me going over it all again and walking into a ban is not ideal really

Tak3n
Banned

Whelp

FWIW I can understand why the financial markets pumped the pound up a bit today. Clarity is much better for business than vague remarks. The ongoing trend is a depression of the pound's worth, though, which I can't really see changing any time soon.

Some investors will also be cheered by the Trump comments on Brexit meaning the US might push for a trade deal. Do we need to remind them that this is the same Trump who is throwing two massive trade deals under a bus?

I think investors need to start preparing for us being on WTO rules for a while - and even then, forecasts can only go so far. 2020 is likely to be chaotic.

The data on migration is very telling. It represents a huge shift in what Britain is. Over eight million people is a LOT of migrants - so it's of course going to be a major issue, and something that liberals like me need to think about. We need to explain to people - and give serious evidence - that our current level of migration has been good for Britain. It has been - it's helped out a number of job markets that really needed the assist, such as health and care, construction and maintenance, and even education. But it's also clear that race and identity politics are going to become more and more relevant, as reactionary white nationals gain more ammunition.