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Bush cares more about war than college tuition
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Tommie Hu$tle
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You would too if both your kids were out of college.
Tommie Hu$tle
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:lolDan said:
I only report, you decide.
Fresh Prince
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I thought that comment was made in relation to the draft?Dan said:
MrAngryFace
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You dumbfucks! How much of an education do you NEED to pull a damned trigger/!??!?!?!
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Well, hell, I care more about the war than your college tuition!
if you guys loved your country and were patriots, you'd realize that bush's plan is to have all straight men under 30 drop out of work/school and play Americas Army until they realize how fun being in the infantry is, and all women will function as a brood mare for the State.
Kerry didn't play Americas Army... he played SOCOM, and look what happened to HIM. Do you want to risk the same destiny?
Kerry didn't play Americas Army... he played SOCOM, and look what happened to HIM. Do you want to risk the same destiny?
Shogmaster
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Hardknock said:
Ever drive much?
Atomsmasher
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''The best-case scenario is that families will have to dig deeper to pay for college, perhaps by working more hours or taking out more loans."
^^What the hell? They want people to work MORE hours, when they're probably working way too many as it is? This is pretty ridiculous. You hear everyone saying "education is the key to the future.." "all kids deserve a good education" blah blah, yet they completely screw the kids of middle-low income families out of one. Maybe they're trying to get rid of the middle class and return to how it was back when only the elites could afford education and the lower class people have no chance to have a good life. If you ask me, it's time for them to revamp the entire higher education system, and get away from all this campus prestige bullshit and concentrate on the actual EDUCATION.
^^What the hell? They want people to work MORE hours, when they're probably working way too many as it is? This is pretty ridiculous. You hear everyone saying "education is the key to the future.." "all kids deserve a good education" blah blah, yet they completely screw the kids of middle-low income families out of one. Maybe they're trying to get rid of the middle class and return to how it was back when only the elites could afford education and the lower class people have no chance to have a good life. If you ask me, it's time for them to revamp the entire higher education system, and get away from all this campus prestige bullshit and concentrate on the actual EDUCATION.
Although this at first seems bad, considering a total of 1.28 million people are going to saving the country an average of $300 million a year, that pretty much averages out to a 1/4 of people getting a pell grant are going to be taking a $300 per year ($150 per semester) pell grant cut. Not that much at all, plus total government pell grant spending will be going up due to demand. Here is a better article.
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DonasaurusRex
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....Notice that congress passed this , I swear people need to pay way more attention to the senators and house reps they are sending to capitol hill.
Christoff Yurievich
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Shogmaster said:
I think he was making a joke, eh.
shoplifter
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iirc, they're also going to stop subsidizing student loans, which means goodbye to those 3% interest rates on them, and hello to owing $30,000 at 7-9% interest.
There is no reason that with as much money as the government brings in, that we can't afford to provide ALL people who want one a college-level education for free. If you are accepted to X College, it's free.
Richie Riches (and others who can find the means) can still go to their private schools, but the gov't won't be paying for it.
There is no reason that with as much money as the government brings in, that we can't afford to provide ALL people who want one a college-level education for free. If you are accepted to X College, it's free.
Richie Riches (and others who can find the means) can still go to their private schools, but the gov't won't be paying for it.
Azih said:
5 million people get pell grants, 1.28 million are getting their pell grant cut or elimintated. Expected savings of 300 million, $300 cut per person seems about right. My take is the other 3/4s are expected to get the same amount. Plus, the article linked mentions the average $300 cut for 1 million students.
With the major increase in the amount of people getting a pell grant over the past 4 years, this cut really seems to be close to a non-issue, especially if government stops subsidising student loans like the one poster mentions. That is big.
Alright I can see that.
Still though averaging the number is fairly misleading unless there's a good reason for doing so.
the average ignores the 85000 who are getting kicked off the rolls entirely, and since financial hardship is a leading (if not the leading, though that's a guess) cause for dropping out of college then any reduction for the remaining 1.2 million is going to be devestating for a large number of them.
Plus cuts like this increase social disparity and widen the gap between the rich and the poor, and that's never a good thing.
Edit: It's not a non issue it's pretty big, though refusing to subsidise college loans is MUCH MUCH larger of an issue to be sure.
Still though averaging the number is fairly misleading unless there's a good reason for doing so.
the average ignores the 85000 who are getting kicked off the rolls entirely, and since financial hardship is a leading (if not the leading, though that's a guess) cause for dropping out of college then any reduction for the remaining 1.2 million is going to be devestating for a large number of them.
Plus cuts like this increase social disparity and widen the gap between the rich and the poor, and that's never a good thing.
Edit: It's not a non issue it's pretty big, though refusing to subsidise college loans is MUCH MUCH larger of an issue to be sure.
shoplifter said:
In a country as wealthy as ours, no one willing to become educated should go without a college education. Instead, Bush and his cronies would rather spend billions to bomb Muslims and steal oil than educate American children. That is the state of social and intellectual disrepair our country now finds itself besieged with. Bush talks of an "ownership society." Truer words were never spoken. It's the "for-profit" age, people. If you can't contribute a dollar to our economy, you're not wanted. Outsourcing? Fine by me. Higher tuition? Fine by me. $5 per gallon? Fine by me. And when the next election rolls around, conservatives will march out the next cultural bogeyman -- and, as they did a month ago, they will win.
XS+ said:
You summarized how I feel about this situation. What is it going to take for people to realize that Bush and his circle of neo-conservative douches do not have the peoples interests at heart? The appeal to ideology that won them the election isn't even genuine--the ultimately measure of policy seems to be "money talks."
mac said:
While there may be more intellectuals that are ideologically aligned with the Democrats, the counterestablishment erected by conservative intellectuals has become a force to reckon with. From talk radio to think tanks, these centers of rightist propaganda, free from academic restraint, have shaped this country's political landscape. Until there is an answer from the left, the right will continue to drive dialogue and lay claim to the political morality of conservatism.
Well....I'm fucked up the river without a paddle. Back when I looked into college loans and grants, I remember hearing that Pell grant thing mentioned. If I don't get enough support to go to college...what am I supposed to do? I'll be at my minimum-wage job for the year it takes to get a $0.50 raise. Then another year after that another $0.50. I'm already working a full 40 hour week as is. How can I 'work more hours' without sacrificing my sleep and life. Really now....I feel screwed if this is as bad as it sounds.
videogamer
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Well, Air America has been expanding recently and supposedly there are newer think tanks being funded by the left. Even though it's catch-up, at least something is being done.
We do need a liberal Fox news though.
Christoff Yurievich
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great, Celicar is back. whatever happened to that "report this post" button anyway?
shoplifter
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MetatronM said:
He has the opportunity to veto anything Congress passes, yet he hasn't done it ONCE since taking office.
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