this close the topic ))) bravo
You summed it up perfectly! You can't get as much juice out of the console (coding to the metal) when you have multiple configurations you have to code for
I'll resolve for you
ok.you won both Sony and Ms they say nonsense which they do not keep every now and then I think at this point we know very well that we should not trust 100% of what they say no?He said the series s would offer the same experience as x at a lower resolution in the video.
He left the features up to the developers. He didn’t say they would be removed.
GotG didn’t remove Ray tracing the x has because they made a decision to focus on a different feature. They removed it, period.
Microsoft’s first party halo studio didn’t remove 120 FPS the x has because they added a different feature. Again, the removed it after attempting to include it. Lots of time, work and effort or an s limitation? Because according to his statement and this article, they were supposed to have the freedom to lower resolution to Include features, not lower resolutions and still have to remove them.
“The way that we designed the developer environment was that a developer would ideally target 4K at 60 fps, up to a 120 fps on Xbox Series X, and then they could easily scale down to the Xbox Series S by reducing the rendering resolution to 1440p,” Ronald said. “But they're not locked into that. So the developer can choose to use the power of the Xbox Series S in the way that they see fit. So in some cases they may choose to render at, say, 1080p, and then use the extra GPU headroom for things like better anti-aliasing or better graphical effects. On the other hand, the developer may choose to go after something like 120 fps, if that's right for the title, and that might result in resolution tradeoffs.”
IGNs translation:
In other words, gamers should expect the same games, whether they’re playing on Series X or Series S, with resolution and graphical quality being the primary differentiation.
Xbox Says Developers Won't be Limited by Series S - IGN
Microsoft doesn’t think Xbox Series S' lower power will be a limiting factor for developers in the upcoming console generation.www.ign.com
Okay... I aint saying that is no reason to buy a XSS, I never said that, and I aint saying that the game for series S/X wont be awesome ... Im just saying that we have people that for years talked about crossgen games and weak/various cpus holding back games, and how coding to the metal for one single System is optimal and thats why we have exclusives beating multiplats and etc, and now the same people are saying that XSS wont hold back the XsX not even a little... that this wont matter not even a little on the optinization of games ... well ... maybe it really wont... but it is a change in the narrative, thats for sure...
no not really, for this reason that the CPU in the xss and xsx is the same
I was pointing out how Jim Ryan’s quote gets reduced to 4 words.
You misquoted. It doesn’t say “effects”
He said the series s would offer the same experience as x at a lower resolution in the video.
He left the features up to the developers. He didn’t say they would be removed.
GotG didn’t remove Ray tracing the x has because they made a decision to focus on a different feature. They removed it, period.
Microsoft’s first party halo studio didn’t remove 120 FPS the x has because they added a different feature. Again, the removed it after attempting to include it. Lots of time, work and effort or an s limitation? Because according to his statement and this article, they were supposed to have the freedom to lower resolution to Include features, not lower resolutions and still have to remove them.
“The way that we designed the developer environment was that a developer would ideally target 4K at 60 fps, up to a 120 fps on Xbox Series X, and then they could easily scale down to the Xbox Series S by reducing the rendering resolution to 1440p,” Ronald said. “But they're not locked into that. So the developer can choose to use the power of the Xbox Series S in the way that they see fit. So in some cases they may choose to render at, say, 1080p, and then use the extra GPU headroom for things like better anti-aliasing or better graphical effects. On the other hand, the developer may choose to go after something like 120 fps, if that's right for the title, and that might result in resolution tradeoffs.”
IGNs translation:
In other words, gamers should expect the same games, whether they’re playing on Series X or Series S, with resolution and graphical quality being the primary differentiation.
Xbox Says Developers Won't be Limited by Series S - IGN
Microsoft doesn’t think Xbox Series S' lower power will be a limiting factor for developers in the upcoming console generation.
Now you're just moving the goalposts. You claimed that the console was twice as expensive which it clearly isn't. The difference is just 100$/euro and you get vastly better hardware for it.
We’ve come to this.
because you changed a quote. Those words mean things. That’s why people are quick to reduce Jim Ryan’s.On the one hand you're talking about reducing Jim Ryan's quote to 4 words, on the other you're nitpicking one word in my post
But they go over graphical effects in the article and they are mentioned specifically. It’s a feature that they have the option to include AFTER they lower the resolution.
Wow. Combined with rikys comment you guys have yourself one hell of a choice of slogans.
Well if you think about it, if you had games beeing developed just for the PS4 pro you problably would end up with better games, with like Last of us 2 quality ? Maybe ?? Like if you had games only for the 3080 gpu ? ... So in a way is... the games are/were held back by multiple skus , but its been like this aways... people aways talked about lower denominator and etc .... Multiple SKUs and GPUs always affected game optimization ... and thats OK because we had awesome games anyway ... thats my point ... now.. saying that this dont exist in any way shape or form on the XSS and XSX .. i dont buy it .. sorry ... but its just my opinion even if im wrong and I more the welcome to be proven wrong by MS because i like games
the veiled Sony campaign against what Ms was officially doing (releasing crossgen games like halo and forza5) was pretty clear for any human being with an IQ above 100. It is not for nothing that many Sony users have risen and memes have exploded on the internet about how the phrase "we believe in generations" was a lie since there was no difference between how ms and Sony approached the market. No, indeed it seems that Sony continues with cross gen games while the last one for Microsoft it would seem to have been infinite halo.
It is perfectly idiotic to weigh in on the investment of a console by looking only at the hardware you buy the console to play games not to write about GPU feature sets and specs on a forum otherwise everyone would be buying only the XSX. I'm imagining a situation where grandparents or parents are doing gifts for christmas with one you get a console with who you add 1 euro to play hundreds games when they open the gift to try it. The other you have to spend 100 euros more for the hw and add 81 for a premium game 160 euros for ONLY two.Certainly there is a clear difference between rent and own .. but I repeat we are talking about a console oriented 100% to casual. I don't know if you want to believe me or not but this is the kind of proposition that is made to the customer when shopping for gifts. You will understand for yourself how the PlayStation (unless there is a specific request of that brand, a request that is unlikely to be strict if we are talking about a casual gamer) comes up with broken bones .. in the proposition to casual gamers if proposed comparatively to xss...especially if it is a third person buying a gift.
So you officially saying that you haven't seen Sony trying to take advantage of the Ms cross-gen pseudo defaillance marketing campaign with he phrase " we believe in generations"? is this that you saying?
That’s not what was said and once again you are misquoting.
And halo removed 120 FPS. So, it’s not so simple to develop for. It was supposed to be a matter of scaling down. All that extra time and effort on crossgen is bad but that will end soon. It’s ok for series s, because?
After a “gargantuan effort “ according to the DF information they received when covering the game from the developers.
exactly. You can get pretty much any game running if you lower graphics and remove settings. It just takes a lot of time and a lot of effort that can be used elsewhere. Like on the lead consoles. That’s not what was promised.
See above
for now. Still requires a ton of work and their own first party studio has to remove 120fps after a year long delay and god knows how much additional funding.
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Well this is always you trying to gloss over what happened .. the phrase "we believe in generations" was born exactly in contrast to Spencer's words on the continuous release of newer hardware capable of launching old and new games...in a continuous timeline without the known stop and go, you make having during generational leaps of the consoles.
The Series S supported 120hz in the network test beta:
Halo Infinite Loses 120 FPS On Xbox Series S; Here's a Low vs. High Graphics Comparison For PC
Halo Infinite multiplayer is available in early access beta. The network test supported 120 FPS on Series S but the final version drops it.
It's a curious omission from the final game. But like I said above, the earlier builds of the game also had facial capture at 60hz which is 30hz in the final release.
One game, with the troubled development that it had, is not indicative of a consoles specs as a whole.
Wow, you're unironically comparing the 1$ gamepass trial period to a full game purchase. Exactly 0 people purchased a Series S just because it has 1 month gamepass for 1$. This is a dumb argument. Also just to remind you, the pricing wasn't even part of the discussion at all. You're the one that brought in pricing in a discussion about whether the Series S offers the same experience. The actual pricing of the system or the games literally have nothing to do with the entire point.
Then it's a good thing the XSS has plenty of untapped potential seeing how it still hasn't had all its features used yet. Between that and the fact that future Xbox games all hit PC, including PCs with specs worse than the XSS I'm confident developers will be able to create games that run on XSS just fine. If they can make games on the X1 for almost a decade the XSS should be much easier.
I don't see the contradiction Frank. 120fps is primarily a graphical feature as is raytracing. As resolutions go up framerates go down. Guardians is a horrible title to use especially since the game can barely keep 60 without raytracing on larger GPU consoles and lacks a 120fps mode at all. I assume that the game is not complete in your mind which is silly. The unstable 120fps mode in Halo on the XSX also had no bearing on the experience when the game has a 60fps mode on XSS which the vast majority of gamers have access to especially those using the XSS. A stable 60fps is better than an unstable 120fps.He said the series s would offer the same experience as x at a lower resolution in the video.
He left the features up to the developers. He didn’t say they would be removed.
GotG didn’t remove Ray tracing the x has because they made a decision to focus on a different feature. They removed it, period.
Microsoft’s first party halo studio didn’t remove 120 FPS the x has because they added a different feature. Again, the removed it after attempting to include it. Lots of time, work and effort or an s limitation? Because according to his statement and this article, they were supposed to have the freedom to lower resolution to Include features, not lower resolutions and still have to remove them.
“The way that we designed the developer environment was that a developer would ideally target 4K at 60 fps, up to a 120 fps on Xbox Series X, and then they could easily scale down to the Xbox Series S by reducing the rendering resolution to 1440p,” Ronald said. “But they're not locked into that. So the developer can choose to use the power of the Xbox Series S in the way that they see fit. So in some cases they may choose to render at, say, 1080p, and then use the extra GPU headroom for things like better anti-aliasing or better graphical effects. On the other hand, the developer may choose to go after something like 120 fps, if that's right for the title, and that might result in resolution tradeoffs.”
IGNs translation:
In other words, gamers should expect the same games, whether they’re playing on Series X or Series S, with resolution and graphical quality being the primary differentiation.
Xbox Says Developers Won't be Limited by Series S - IGN
Microsoft doesn’t think Xbox Series S' lower power will be a limiting factor for developers in the upcoming console generation.
The desperation in these words is incredible. That article proves it. Yet, you’re still typing things you don’t understand or can’t comprehend.I don't see the contradiction Frank. 120fps is primarily a graphical feature as is raytracing. As resolutions go up framerates go down. Guardians is a horrible title to use especially since the game can barely keep 60 without raytracing on larger GPU consoles and lacks a 120fps mode at all. I assume that the game is not complete in your mind which is silly. The unstable 120fps mode in Halo on the XSX also had no bearing on the experience when the game has a 60fps mode on XSS which the vast majority of gamers have access to especially those using the XSS. A stable 60fps is better than an unstable 120fps.
The XSS has a smaller GPU. Games on the system will run with reduced graphical effects and that is by design it has nothing to do with the the experience of using the console. Jason Ronald has no control over what things a developer might use or not. Even in the article you site it was a hypothetical. All he and the hardware team can do is make the features available. Just like when Housemarque chose to develop Returnal without raytracing and rendering it in 1080p. Does that mean Sony was being dishonest about what the PS5 could do? I'm pretty sure you'd say no.
You seem to have plenty of double standards regarding PlayStation I see. Like how like you are perfectly fine accepting Sony having a monopoly with regard to digital game sales on PS5 or PS5 not having any 3rd party Dual Sense controllers yet you complain about USB audio on Xbox, proprietary storage, and the XSS not having 120fps in Halo specifically but ignoring that the XSS has more 120fps games overall compared to the more expensive PS5. Again the arguments come across as bad faith. You actually ignore issues on the platform you have to complain about the platform you don't. Why would you do that?
Be honest Frank do you have an XSS or any Xbox for that matter? Can you answer my question and name the core features the XSS lacks compared to the XSX? Can you name ANY actual CONTENT that is missing on the XSS like levels, characters, or gameplay? An example would be the 128 player mode in Battlefield 2042 which is on the XSS but not last generation consoles. Does any of this affect you in ANY WAY? I get you like PlayStation so do I that's why I've bought every PlayStation that has come out. Perhaps if you bought an Xbox you wouldn't feel the need to enter Xbox threads to attack the platform with clearly uninformed silliness. Just enjoy your favorite system Frank, Xbox won't hurt you I promise.
Good for Xbox. Hopefully they bring the competition closer.Beat like a drum if old:
Microsoft's Xbox is beating the PlayStation 5 this holiday season for 3 key reasons
With a huge new "Halo" game and a $300 Xbox that you can actually find in stores, Microsoft is outselling Sony's wildly popular PlayStation 5.www.businessinsider.com
