You are harming her by denying her the surgery she needs.
understandably for victims but it's really hard for people in general to grasp that imprisonment is not about revenge or getting even with someone.
Needs? Why? More like wants, maybe a private organization should take donations to help these people out. Shouldn't be on tax payers.
If the American taxpayers have not decided that this procedure should be paid for publicly for free persons who cannot afford it, why is it being given to a convicted murderer?
I'm not saying neither should have it but the concept of a convicted murderer having this procedure paid for when a law abiding person cannot is what is getting people upset here.
Convicted murderers should have less rights than free innocent people.
Feels wrong to be giving such a surgery to a convicted murderer on the tax payer's dime. Law abiding transgender people are suffering and are forced to pay for their own surgeries because they DIDN'T murder a person. Seems counter intuitive.
This has nothing to do with being transphobic. He lost his rights when he murdered a person. Was he considerate of the person's right before he murdered that person? No.
So argue for those outside of prison who can't afford it to have their surgery paid for. Don't argue for those in prison to be denied it.
Then maybe we should be changing things outside of prison rather than condemning those who are inside it.
This thread really makes me realize that most people look at prison as a place to lock up and forget about people. Fuck their mental well being or anything else, ammirite?
If the American taxpayers have not decided that this procedure should be paid for publicly for free persons who cannot afford it, why is it being given to a convicted murderer?
I'm not saying neither should have it but the concept of a convicted murderer having this procedure paid for when a law abiding person cannot is what is getting people upset here.
Convicted murderers should have less rights than free innocent people.
So argue for those outside of prison who can't afford it to have their surgery paid for. Don't argue for those in prison to be denied it.
You think about the amount of trans people in the real world who can't afford surgery and this murderer gets a free ride.
If it was really "pennies" then non-criminal people wouldn't be killing themselves over not being able to get the surgery.
That's what I'm doing, to a degree. I'd rather these state funds be directed for that purpose. To provide access to this care to law abiding citizens, first and then prisoners, second (if resources permit).
If the American taxpayers have not decided that this procedure should be paid for publicly for free persons who cannot afford it, why is it being given to a convicted murderer?
I'm not saying neither should have it but the concept of a convicted murderer having this procedure paid for when a law abiding person cannot is what is getting people upset here.
Convicted murderers should have less rights than free innocent people.
Sadly this is how most people feel all over the world, and yet many dare to call themselves liberal or progressive. In reality they are little better than the deplorables they mock on a day to day basis.
If the American taxpayers have not decided that this procedure should be paid for publicly for free persons who cannot afford it, why is it being given to a convicted murderer?
I'm not saying neither should have it but the concept of a convicted murderer having this procedure paid for when a law abiding person cannot is what is getting people upset here.
Convicted murderers should have less rights than free innocent people.
I understand they have basic human rights. Their sentence shouldn't be a torment either. But for someone that murdered and has life in prison then I have no empathy. Like I said we already pay a dearly price for these prisoners.ProTip: people don't lose their rights when they go to prison.
Threads like these are great for letting out themselves for being incredibly ignorant.
If it was really "pennies" then non-criminal people wouldn't be killing themselves over not being able to get the surgery.
it is pennies for the government which is why its ridiculous the US doesn't have single payer healthcare!
No, this is the best solution, because the government should be covering this for all individuals who require it.There has to be a better solution than having taxpayers foot the bill for a murderer's expensive surgery. Maybe it costs less than maintaining a separate facility for trans criminals though.
If it was really "pennies" then non-criminal people wouldn't be killing themselves over not being able to get the surgery.
I agree there, I too want a single payer system. For all Americans.
This thread is getting way out of hand.
This person negated any privilege they had when they killed someone.
I understand they have basic human rights. Their sentence shouldn't be a torment either. But for someone that murdered and has life in prison then I have no empathy. Like I said we already pay a dearly price for these prisoners.
If the American taxpayers have not decided that this procedure should be paid for publicly for free persons who cannot afford it, why is it being given to a convicted murderer?
I'm not saying neither should have it but the concept of a convicted murderer having this procedure paid for when a law abiding person cannot is what is getting people upset here.
Convicted murderers should have less rights than free innocent people.
its even more disgusting when people look at this issue as a "taxes, me taxes" issue. Your taxes are wasted on pointless shit day in day out in billions. Look at the god damn military and the bullshit they waste their money on ffs.
>.< man this thread makes me miffed.
This thread is getting way out of hand.
This person negated any privilege they had when they killed someone.
I understand they have basic human rights. Their sentence shouldn't be a torment either. But for someone that murdered and has life in prison then I have no empathy. Like I said we already pay a dearly price for these prisoners.
This thread is getting way out of hand.
This person negated any privilege they had when they killed someone.
its not tax payers money being wasted though. people think they are an expert when it comes to what tax money is spent on., you see in in the UK with the public view that the NHS is wasteful when they in fact provide the cheapest care on a per person basis in the first world. and people think its wasteful!
its just right wing propaganda that is being pushed to make people think the free market can do better so that it all gets privatised
If the American taxpayers have not decided that this procedure should be paid for publicly for free persons who cannot afford it, why is it being given to a convicted murderer?
I'm not saying neither should have it but the concept of a convicted murderer having this procedure paid for when a law abiding person cannot is what is getting people upset here.
Convicted murderers should have less rights than free innocent people.
This thread is getting way out of hand.
This person negated any privilege they had when they killed someone.
So, are people seeing this as transperson first then murderer or what?
This thread is getting way out of hand.
This person negated any privilege they had when they killed someone.
Why do you consider SRS to be less important than any other kind of medical surgery?
Yes, but isn't SRS a non-life threatening, elective procedure? Put another way, what, besides her genitalia, was preventing her from being housed in a facility that matched her gender identity?
So, are people seeing this as transperson first then murderer or what?
So, are people seeing this as transperson first then murderer or what?
We're seeing her as a person first, murderer second.
"Nothing to do with being transphobic"This has nothing to do with being transphobic. He lost his rights when he murdered a person. Was he considerate of the person's right before he murdered that person? No.
What this dude said below:
There is no doubt an extreme irony that you get better health care as an inmate in American than as a law abiding citizen. I guess it's testament messed up health care and among other things in is in America. But I guess America is an extremely backwards country. This is not to say inmates should get free comprehensive healthcare. But the system as is incentives you to commit a crime should you end up with any major illness you can't afford the pay the health care for.
It is the nature of prison, prisoners do not maker money ergo they cannot pay for things, thus they must be supplied...
Don't get mad a the prisoner get mad at the system that doesn't look after those on the outside....
We cannot race to the bottom.
Your comparing that to litteral death. Do you not think some would gladly do that?Yeah you know in exchange for your freedom of movement, association, voting on many cases, etc..
But sure free GRS is gonna cause trans folk to start committing crimes...
That's due to a lack of you know government healthcare to the general populace.
It literally is pennies. It's a 20k surgery paid for by the government of California.
Race to the bottom is no solution
And like I said, I wish I could see the right side of this. But I struggle with the idea, I can't see that someone who's going to live the last of their days for murder in a prison getting this treatment when I know damn well there is someone who is going to end their own life because they can't handle the depression and pain of living in a body that doesn't feel like their own. It's not fair. It's not like she's ever going to get out of prison, she's going to die in there. This isn't someone who is ever going to get out and live a life. If this was someone who would be getting out with a chance of reform, I could have sympathy. I have empathy, but I can't find what I need to sympathize.
I hate that there are good people out there who will be pushed to the limit because they can't get their own treatment, when someone who stole a father's life in his prime get theirs in what very well could be their final years. So I don't know what I'm supposed to feel, but it won't be sympathy until everyone can get the care they deserve and need.