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California vs Florida: which is the worse US state?

which is worse: California or Florida?

  • California

    Votes: 127 73.0%
  • Florida

    Votes: 47 27.0%

  • Total voters
    174
earthquakes vs hurricanes
woke SJW vs Florida man
mountain lions/bears vs gators and whatever else you find in the swamp
eroding coastlines vs eroding coastlines
Asian Pacific food vs South American food

both has their share of problems but personally I don't like FL just for the humidity alone. that and I enjoy the food selection here in CA much better. political reasons on the other hand, let's not get into that.
 

belmarduk

Member
Don't forget Mount Feces in San Francisco.

Unfortunately, I've come across that in downtown Orlando a lot recently. Bums are begging on every street corner, its really taken a turn for the worse with homelessness and the associated problems. I blame mental illness and substance abuse.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Unfortunately, I've come across that in downtown Orlando a lot recently. Bums are begging on every street corner, its really taken a turn for the worse with homelessness and the associated problems. I blame mental illness and substance abuse.
They've been bussing in a lot of homeless from out of town/state over the years there as well.
 
Bought an investment property in FL during the pandemic. Property value has 2X in just 2 years. One of the best investments I've ever made in my life.
Where in Florida? I have 3 investment properties in Orlando, but I live in South Florida.
 
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BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
I vote for modern day NY. Worst politicians in the country. Crime running rampant. $20 bridges. Traffic nightmare at all times. Smug rich people. It's fucking awful.
 

GeekyDad

Member
Miami has the prettiest girls in the world. Cali has Ellen DeGeneres.
I grew up in Miami (North Miami, Bay Harbor, NMB, etc.). We must be remembering things differently...

Live in Georgia now. Some of the peaches are a little ripe now, 35 years later, but we got mostly fresh peaches still (and plenty of fruits too, if that's your thing).
 
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partime

Member
Ft Lauderdale, Miami, FSU, and especially Orlando are not FL. It’s a 9 hour vast state of nothing but alligators, swamps, and crazy racist people. I choose CA.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Neither.

California is clearly one of the best states in the union in just about every way. It's one of the largest economies in the world, with pleasant yearlong weather throughout much of it, many biomes, nice places to live, lots of culture and places to visit, more compassionate and average-citizen friendly laws than in most other states, endless budget surpluses, etc. California is basically Heaven compared to states like Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, or Tennessee. So why it's even one of the two choices here is baffling. Are some cities overly-expensive to live in? Yes, same as it is in many, many major cities throughout the entire developed world right now. This is far from unique to Californian metropolises.

Florida is fine in the big cities but the weather sucks and the governance curmudgeon. It's suffering brain drain due to its poor governance and all evidence indicates that will only increase unless things change. I love Fort Lauderdale but I wouldn't want to live there, just visit, and a week or so a year is enough for me.

So between these two? Florida is comically worse, while California shouldn't even be one of these choices.
 

Durien

Member
People who keep talking about how expensive california is need to read the news

Florida least affordable state
According to this, Hawaii is number 1 followed by California as far as rent is concerned.


Florida is much cheaper:
California is 16.5% more expensive than Florida.


16.5% more expensive. That is a significant difference.
 

Brazen

Member
If I was already rich or homeless then maybe California would be my living destination but only for the weather/terrain and the perks of being in the richest state. Anything in between and there are plenty of other states with a lower cost basis, less regulations, and better moving-up-the-ladder opportunities for the individual, that includes Florida.
 
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Pejo

Member
I live in one and spent quite a bit of time in the other for work, and for weather alone I could never live in Florida.

California isn't that bad. My biggest complaints are the costs of living or literally anything, politicians and their crazy ideas, and traffic. Everything else is good to amazing. I've never lived anywhere that you could have almost any biome experience you want within a 5 hour drive. Skiing? Boating? Desert? Forest? Beach? Mountains? Cities? Farms? It's all within driving distance. It's also the closest US flight to Hawaii, and you can find weekender flights to Vegas for like $100.

If I were upper class or even modern day upper middle, I would probably swallow the property tax pill and try to find a house here, but it's just not feasible unless I want to be paying it off in my deathbed in 50 years.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
California has some bad areas and some dumb laws, but it's definitely Florida for reasons that I cannot expound upon.
 

miami

Neo Member
Property values have sky rocketed in Florida, so if you don't have a home, you're paying almost California prices without California wages.

Plus, Maga idiots have made Florida worse. Schools are worse, teachers are upset. I wouldn't want to raise kids here. If it weren't for family, I'd have left the state by now.
 
Property values have sky rocketed in Florida, so if you don't have a home, you're paying almost California prices without California wages.

Plus, Maga idiots have made Florida worse. Schools are worse, teachers are upset. I wouldn't want to raise kids here. If it weren't for family, I'd have left the state by now.

Rent is insane. Currently paying $1750, landlord wanted to jump it to $2500, I talked him down to $2250. Still a $500 increase on top of record inflation I'll be strugglin a but more come the lease renewal.

Florida public school system has always been gutter trash. It was crap when I went through it 30 years ago, and it's even worse now while my daughters are going through it.

And don't even get me started on the fuckin weather, I call it the Hellswamps for a reason.

I'm a lifelong Hellswamp resident and I mostly hate it here. That being said...I'd MUCH rather be here than Cali.

Florida >>>>>>>>>> California
 
I grew up in Northern California and spent 42 years an hour north of SF. It was a great place to grow up. It’s also very beautiful in Sonoma County where I was born and raised. Beach 35 mins away, redwoods 25 mins away. It was a pretty special place. Things have changed; that’s a fucking understatement. Homelessness absolutely everywhere. Tent cities. The government doesn’t want you to defend yourself against crime either. Drug zombies are prevalent as well. It’s expensive as hell. “Fire season” (my family and I were evacuated 3/5 years). We were also dropped from our home insurance because of the fires, requiring us to buy catastrophic coverage at 4x the price even though our house did not burn down. PG&E got a nice little bailout from governor greaseball so they could use rate hikes to pass along their settlement loses to consumers. I’ll say that up in the North people are cool man and down to earth, friendly, and decent. California is not the place I grew up. We bailed to the South East about a month ago.
 

Paltheos

Member
lol I read the title as "which is the worst US state?" and I was like, "Come on. I'm pretty sure there are some states between Texas and Florida that are the real contenders."
 
According to this, Hawaii is number 1 followed by California as far as rent is concerned.


Florida is much cheaper:
California is 16.5% more expensive than Florida.


16.5% more expensive. That is a significant difference.
Min wage in florida is 11 hr while it's 15 in California. It makes Florida more expensive overall.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol California's economy is amazing. They have a budget surplus every year. Homelessness is only a problem because the rest of the country with shit weather sends their trash to Cali. Go stand and skidrow and ask everyone where they are from and 90% would be from different states that dont have good education, healthcare, and welfare systems. Despite that, California takes care of the homeless by offering shelters to these people. Ive been there and at night the cops round up all the homeless and take them to the shelters. Streets in skid row are virtually empty at night. Maybe things are worse in San Fran which is a liberal shithole but if its anything like LA, things are overblown.

I work with their healthcare system, and i was blown away by how many people they cover. It might as well be a universal healthcare system. Yes, its bloated and yes its poorly run, but they are hiring more and more private companies to run their healthcare which is only a good thing. Every student in the fucking 55 million state gets a free iPad. Their education system is absolute garbage but still better than a third of the states. Yes, they have issues with crime in some woke cities, but LA, Sacramento, San Diego and other bigger cities are no more violent than any other big city in the u.s. Every big city has its bad neighborhood. I grew up in NY and Chicago, great cities but had to travel through some shitty neighborhoods and they looked like a third world shithole. Doesnt mean the whole city let alone the state is bad. Im sure Florida, Houston, and even midwest cities have shitty crime infested neighborhoods.

Florida isnt that bad either. Great education system, but they pale in comparison to California in many other aspects.
 
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Happosai

Hold onto your panties
Wow, this poll. The company I work in the management org is based out of Malibu and we heard nothing but California everyday. I've visited both states multiple times. I'd say California has some genuinely nice places and many in the North. But SoCal...just my opinion but, if it wasn't for my job -- I'd disconnect from them completely. Florida had it's places which I felt were not so great but I've enjoyed it much more and could probably handle living there. Kev Kev Kev Kev you could probably give some feedback too on the Sunshine state. My favorite places were Pensacola, Naples, Zephyr Hills, St. Augustine, Fort Myers and Key West. Never been to Orlando, Miami or some of the other popular cities. But to go back to California, I went to Disneyland the first time in my late-20's some years back. It wasn't too bad then and I enjoyed the 'drawing' class in California Adventure.

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I worked Finance at a large corporate company with field employees across the US. We had discussions about cutting California out of our business completely. We were making profit there, but the rules and regulations were so different it was like coming up with a single solution for 49 states and then an equally complex unique solution just for California. It was a lot of extra work for not an equal return
 

Dynasty8

Member
I would much rather live in CA due to the weather...but the house prices here are beyond fucking ridiculous, horrible traffic at all times, and questionable and dumb policies. Oh and taxes....
 
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DanteFox

Member
Just like anything else, where you live is a value proposition: what you're getting vs. how much you're paying. Unfortunately for California, what you're getting has in a lot of ways stayed the same or diminished while the price has become exorbitant. So if you're rich (or your parents can afford to help you with the down payment) and can afford the increasing number of million dollar homes, you're ok. If you're old, and bought real estate when houses were more affordable, you're ok and probably a millionaire at this point. If your young, single and haven't had to fully contend with long term things like buying a house and raising kids, you're probably ok renting and just living for the moment. But if you're looking to settle down and you don't have a leg up on a mortgage, the value proposition that California offers is simply vanishingly small. If you're looking to raise kids in decent school districts with a community around you and some semblance of traditional values and you can't afford million dollar homes that reside in those communities, you're not seeing the value there. If you're trying to start or grow a business without the state treating you like shit, or are trying to build housing and rent it to people without being treated like you're going to destroy the environment, you're not seeing the value. That's really why people are leaving. If you're rich in California, you're fine, if you're poor, you actually have a lot of stuff taken care of by the state, but if you're trying to move up in between that, it's a massive uphill battle. And now that the powers that be have essentially signaled that they're ok with businesses leaving, this will accelerate. Just because a place is nice, doesn't mean it will stay that way forever, just ask Detroit. Unfortunately it seems like California is determined to go that way eventually.
 

daveonezero

Banned
Since when is it crazy to think it’s ok that individuals can make
earthquakes vs hurricanes
woke SJW vs Florida man
mountain lions/bears vs gators and whatever else you find in the swamp
eroding coastlines vs eroding coastlines
Asian Pacific food vs South American food

both has their share of problems but personally I don't like FL just for the humidity alone. that and I enjoy the food selection here in CA much better. political reasons on the other hand, let's not get into that.
florida man is only a thing because they have to publish those things. It’s a legal thing.
 

RoboFu

One of the green rats
I just came back from a business trip to LA. That place is shit. Literally shit all over the place.

I go to FL every year for vacation. Nice place … bad drivers.
 

ManaByte

Member
I grew up in Northern California and spent 42 years an hour north of SF. It was a great place to grow up. It’s also very beautiful in Sonoma County where I was born and raised. Beach 35 mins away, redwoods 25 mins away. It was a pretty special place. Things have changed; that’s a fucking understatement. Homelessness absolutely everywhere. Tent cities. The government doesn’t want you to defend yourself against crime either. Drug zombies are prevalent as well. It’s expensive as hell. “Fire season” (my family and I were evacuated 3/5 years). We were also dropped from our home insurance because of the fires, requiring us to buy catastrophic coverage at 4x the price even though our house did not burn down. PG&E got a nice little bailout from governor greaseball so they could use rate hikes to pass along their settlement loses to consumers. I’ll say that up in the North people are cool man and down to earth, friendly, and decent. California is not the place I grew up. We bailed to the South East about a month ago.
This.
 
Not a ringing endorsement for my state:


California would be great again if you got rid of all of the people.

No, just get rid of the people who keep voting for more expensive projects and higher taxes.

I would much rather live in CA due to the weather...but the house prices here are beyond fucking ridiculous, horrible traffic at all times, and questionable and dumb policies. Oh and taxes....

The weather is the last big thing I love here. I despise it when it gets humid and remember that the humidity here is still better than what other states have.
 
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