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Rats Off To Ya
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Ugh. I really wish you'd waited until tomorrow to say this, but whatever. Not my life on the line.
Hyperactivity
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Can somebody give the full list of book powers for reference
Rats Off To Ya
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This is what Never Forever posted about the powers:
Protecting somebody was the very first thing Darryl confirmed about the book. We're gonna need something else, Droplet. If we're doing this today, might as well do it right.
Protecting somebody was the very first thing Darryl confirmed about the book. We're gonna need something else, Droplet. If we're doing this today, might as well do it right.
Exactly , by stating that you got the book and then only mentioning something we already knew does not look good.
Hyperactivity
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In any case, is there anything else about the book to know? (Don't give the specifics if so, I want to see what the others think about getting that info revealed)
One more small Detail
johnnyquicknives
Member
You don't need to justify the vote. I've just been too busy, I mentioned it elsewhere but I was going to sit this season out because I knew time would be short but with the number of players needing replaced etc I thought I'd jump in and I've been pretty shit
That said I think my posts have had reasonable content, and I've been fairly clear about what I've thought. I'm especially glad my Timeaisis hunch was right and I can keep trusting my gut, even though I didn't have enough real evidence to pull the trigger.
I think that another cult is very, very unlikely, I said a very similar thing yesterday but my guess is that one single player is playing a neutral role, and their win condition is either for all or most other players to be turned insane. With so many ways to become insane, and some of them (ie the book) having a risk/reward mechanism it just feels like it has to be tied to a neutral player. It's even possible the role is cthulhu and they are able to guess at players that would die during the night and if they're right then the player turns insane rather than leaving the game.
I'll make time to look into everyone over the next day or so, and make sure I actually vote.
Rats Off To Ya
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This doesn't make any sense. Darryl's role specifically said he could be recruited by Cultists, and we know that can't have been referring to the Cult of Cthulhu. And if the third party wants people to turn insane, why would they kill Never Forever after he said he was going to use the book? And if they have to guess which people are going to die, why would they get a night kill?
I don't know if you haven't thought this through, or if you're intentionally trying to mislead us. I haven't felt great about you at any point in this game, and the last two guys whose analysis seemed off turned out to be scum.
Hyperactivity
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You don't need to justify the vote. I've just been too busy, I mentioned it elsewhere but I was going to sit this season out because I knew time would be short but with the number of players needing replaced etc I thought I'd jump in and I've been pretty shit
That said I think my posts have had reasonable content, and I've been fairly clear about what I've thought. I'm especially glad my Timeaisis hunch was right and I can keep trusting my gut, even though I didn't have enough real evidence to pull the trigger.
I think that another cult is very, very unlikely, I said a very similar thing yesterday but my guess is that one single player is playing a neutral role, and their win condition is either for all or most other players to be turned insane. With so many ways to become insane, and some of them (ie the book) having a risk/reward mechanism it just feels like it has to be tied to a neutral player. It's even possible the role is cthulhu and they are able to guess at players that would die during the night and if they're right then the player turns insane rather than leaving the game.
I'll make time to look into everyone over the next day or so, and make sure I actually vote.
UNVOTE
ScraftyDevil
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By that logic we should be lynchin' you since th' hunch you were so soitain of on Day 2 ended up gettin' an innocent man killed.
I'm all for pokin' and proddin' at theories, but let's not pretend fer a second that makin' a wrong guess means you're scum.
Rats Off To Ya
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Scum hunting is an entirely different animal than analyzing game mechanics. There are a lot of holes in johnny's analysis. Time and LoC also had some holes in their analysis.
Rats Off To Ya
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Also, the only hunch I was certain of was that Blarg was harmless.
I was right about that one, if you recall.
I was right about that one, if you recall.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I don't think anyone ever thought he was Cult, though. He wouldn't've been givin' those obtuse riddles unless us findin' out his identity wouldn't mean soitain death for 'im.
I'm just sayin' we should explore more avenues before latchin' onta someone to lynch at the very beginnin' of th' day like what happened to poor Coppa. Give everyone else a chance to speak first.
Rats Off To Ya
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Have I voted for anybody? Am I stopping them from speaking?
This conversation is strange.
This conversation is strange.
Hyperactivity
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Yeah, we haven't really gone after anyone today.
Alright, back from class!
So right now we have (from NF's post, but with some changes):
1. Send a short message
2. Protect another person from being killed during the night phase
3. Block someone's actions this night phase
4. Vote will count twice during the next day phase
5. Erase someone from the game
You will turn insane when you use it, and you may die if certain conditions are met. Powers may need to recharge.
From what I can see, I don't think NF used the book, unless killing him stopped it from happening.
So right now we have (from NF's post, but with some changes):
1. Send a short message
2. Protect another person from being killed during the night phase
3. Block someone's actions this night phase
4. Vote will count twice during the next day phase
5. Erase someone from the game
You will turn insane when you use it, and you may die if certain conditions are met. Powers may need to recharge.
From what I can see, I don't think NF used the book, unless killing him stopped it from happening.
How do you know ? He said he wanted to use it but Neverforever said on whom. Please elaborate a bit more .
I think you may die when you are already insane , that is the only thing i can think of a condition that could lead to a death.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Hm. And how is this determined if they use it?
Because the only power that was marked in some way was the one Neuro used. I'm not sure which ones need time to recharge so it's possible he did, but if so there's no indication of it.
Interesting.
Is it? Should be the same as the book you got.
Yeah I'm not sure. It sounds a lot like LoC's description to me, where using his power with certain conditions met leads to unintended consequences. We could also interpret that maybe as using it on the wrong person.
Yeah I'm not sure. It sounds a lot like LoC's description to me, where using his power with certain conditions met leads to unintended consequences. We could also interpret that maybe as using it on the wrong person.
Hyperactivity
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Are there any details on this recharge period mentioned? And is the book owner given the details about if any powers are recharging?
I got the book after darryl and Neuro/Sorian and nothing was Highlighted. The description of the powers was a bit different aswell.
Very Interesting to see that the book evolved.
No, it just says a spell that's been used may need time to recharge. I'm not entirely sure about recharging, but Neuro's spell is marked in some way and I don't think it can be used again. It's possible the short message thing could be used every night, it doesn't seem very useful. The other thought I have is that NF's being killed caused him to not be able to use his power, but this seems pretty unlikely looking at the powers.
Also Nin the powers didn't evolve, I was paraphrasing it.
I guess I was being a bit too subtle, but I wanted to leave that last part for verifying future book owners, hence my referring to it in a way that another person wouldn't easily guess. Sorry for confusing you.
That's probably all the information about the book. There's some other flavor we can use to verify the owners, but we're pretty much done with anything new and relevant. I was curious to see if I could use the book to keep myself from dying tonight so we could see what insanity does, but alas I cannot.
That's probably all the information about the book. There's some other flavor we can use to verify the owners, but we're pretty much done with anything new and relevant. I was curious to see if I could use the book to keep myself from dying tonight so we could see what insanity does, but alas I cannot.
Hyperactivity
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That makes sense, seeing as, given the way you two are ordering the numbers, it goes from least powerful to most powerful book use
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Stuff we already knew about the book iirc but its always good for that stuff to get cleared up a bit.
Also, there goes the vote for seeing if we should talk about the book or not. I really felt that was going to give us some interesting leads.
Also, there goes the vote for seeing if we should talk about the book or not. I really felt that was going to give us some interesting leads.
It's complicated, but I think I'm keeping up. I've been quiet so far in this game because I'm watching to see what stirs up. (So far, nothing.) I've been quiet in the NX Game because that game is too freaking insane.
I was prepared to make a big argument about how the cult was dead and surely we were just hunting one townie who got turned, but after going back and re-reading the roleclaims, I do think there's a possibility that we are facing a second cult. Note that the Town roles claim victory when "No Cult-Aligned players" remain, but the cultists that we've killed say that they achieve victory when "only Cult of Cthulhu-aligned players remain"
I think it's safest to assume that there's another group out there.
Sorry if you've already discussed this. I've just come into the thread this morning.
Rats Off To Ya
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It seems we've about wrapped up the book talk for today, so I think we should start getting some votes on the table to see where people are at and get some more discussion going.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
Nothing personal, Worthy, but Time went hard after you and there might be a reason for it. I have some reads I'd like to pursue in the future, but right now we have a tangible clue and I'd like to test it. You've also been extremely curious about the book, and I'm wondering if you haven't been asking those questions disinterestedly.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
Nothing personal, Worthy, but Time went hard after you and there might be a reason for it. I have some reads I'd like to pursue in the future, but right now we have a tangible clue and I'd like to test it. You've also been extremely curious about the book, and I'm wondering if you haven't been asking those questions disinterestedly.
Hyperactivity
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The thing is, cult of Cthulhu didn't have an investigstor of any sort. How would they have known if TWE was 2nd cult/neutral?
Rats Off To Ya
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Go back and see what me and ultron discussed at the start of the day.
TheWorthyEdge
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I don't understand this. Timeasis was going hard at me because he knew I was the only one everyone else was gonna vote for to get the votes away from him lol. It obviously didn't work out in his favor. How would the Cthulhu Cult know who the other Cult is? I don't understand that.
I'm really thinking that it's only one person and as of right now I can tell you one person its not, but this is only by instinct. RetroMG . He seems like the type that if he did have a bigger role he would be much more involved so he's someone I feel wouldn't be the other Cult. I feel he isn't a big role and it shows because he is hosting other games.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Nobody else has anything to say? Come on, guys. I'm pretty sure most of you are Town, and staying quiet doesn't help Town.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Yeah, cmon! Such a quiet day.
I think everyone here, except Ultron and at the most 2 others, are Tourists so halp!
My guess is the thought here is that Timeasis went after you because he thought LoC targeted you and died as a result of that. I don't know, I think it's a decent idea, but the more I think about that night the less I can wrap my head around it. Even if that were true, the one thing I don't understand is why nobody died but LoC. Wouldn't they have at least targeted someone else for killing? I don't think there were supposed to be any consequences with their sacrifice powers, so we really might have some kind of role blocker or switcher still properly in play. Although I'm not sure why a switcher would put in LoC...I'm starting to think it might be another night immune role, but 3 seems like it would be excessive.
Anyway, that's neither here nor there. It'll probably be a while until we figure out what happened that night. I have two people in mind right now but it would be in bad taste to mention without a clear argument, so I'll refrain until I've looked through their posts again.
Anyway, TWE, why Retro? I thought he was town originally but given this second cult idea I'm kind of wary of players that seemed too agreeable. Not that I think Retro is evil right now, but I think the only person I trust right now is Rats for trying to keep the conversation on hunting scum.
Rats Off To Ya
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Don't forget, the sacrifice that night could have turned somebody insane. If so, that means insanity isn't something made public, and also that the person kept it a secret for some (hopefully pro-Town) reason.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Maybe there's a role in which you can bounce an action back at the person who sent it out. Or maybe they decided not to target anyone that night and then Ultron decided to use a bullet on LoC?
I say RetroMG isn't a cult simply because I feel if he was a higher role than he wouldn't be playing other games and proctoring other games, he would be much more active I feel. It's not much to go off of but I do feel Rats is also extremely trustworthy because of how much he says and does. Obviously it could be a coy like Timeasis or LoC but I really don't think so. Not this time.
Hyperactivity
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Sorry for not posting, was busy yesterday.
I reeaally doubt LOC died role blocking TWE. Dying because a failed role block. The worst case scenario I could see for that is the person being put to sleep getting alerted and told who attacked them. I feel like if you could die due to that, there would've been a warning in loc's role. That's a HUGE fucking deal, that's a while cultist dead to neither night kill or lynch
No way. I'm sticking with the idea that cult turned someone insane that day.
Which means
VOTE: ultron87
With the precense of a 2nd cult, I'm not entirely sure I trust that you're on our side and that the x-shot claim is true. The idea that loc died role blocking makes no sense, and you're the next conclusion after that
I reeaally doubt LOC died role blocking TWE. Dying because a failed role block. The worst case scenario I could see for that is the person being put to sleep getting alerted and told who attacked them. I feel like if you could die due to that, there would've been a warning in loc's role. That's a HUGE fucking deal, that's a while cultist dead to neither night kill or lynch
No way. I'm sticking with the idea that cult turned someone insane that day.
Which means
VOTE: ultron87
With the precense of a 2nd cult, I'm not entirely sure I trust that you're on our side and that the x-shot claim is true. The idea that loc died role blocking makes no sense, and you're the next conclusion after that
since we have now a lot more time on our hands it sad to see that the discussion has died down since the initial talk about the book, but even then it was the same old people talking. I will start in pressuring people now since i feel insecure with the presence of a 2nd group who could turn us into their group and/or killing us.