ShadowsFell
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Everyone gets a feel for certain weapons for sure! I definitely have some favorites I don't see a lot of people using.
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constantstatic
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Well if you are out here calling other people scrubs and trash cuz they kill you with the vmp I'm interested in how good you are?
Do you have a spm of at least 400 and a 2kd or higher? Cuz if not you probably shouldn't be calling people bad.
You may find the vmp annoying but it gets destroyed by the vesper and Pharo at most if not all ranges. I switched to the vesper after they nerfed the vmp and haven't looked back.
It's not a bad gun and I still use it occasionally but it's not an instant win button like you think. Vesper beats it close and midrange every time.
PeskyToaster
Member
I don't get why people don't like the KRM. I got more than 30 kills in a TDM with it yesterday with 0 attachments, for the camo. I love shotguns.
ShadowsFell
Member
So the M8A7 locks up on me too. Just like the Sheiva. Fucking bizarre. I don't think the XR-2 has done that to me.
Plus I had a lovely glitch, where after I accidentally started controlling my hardened sentry, I got that same colorless bison you get while using it for most of the remainder of the match. So weird.
Plus I had a lovely glitch, where after I accidentally started controlling my hardened sentry, I got that same colorless bison you get while using it for most of the remainder of the match. So weird.
constantstatic
Member
If you over sample it beyond the burst delay it won't fire. You have to get a feel for the timing the xr2 you can just hold the trigger. Rapid fire will give you less delay and let you mash the trigger faster.
ShadowsFell
Member
Dredge user? My man! Such an underrated gun. I love it.Well this was pretty funny...
Fluffhead14
Member
anyone else so sick of people complaining about (wanting) nerfs?
they went COMPLETELY overboard on the gorgon. the ads is pitiful now. i honestly don't feel as if any of the guns right now are op. some are strong with attachments, as they should be. that's what leveling up a gun should do. there is nothing here quite like akimbo 1887s. only gun i don't understand is the haymaker- i get a ton of hitmarkers and also lose to everything but lmgs/snipers at close range, but maybe i'm using it wrong.
they went COMPLETELY overboard on the gorgon. the ads is pitiful now. i honestly don't feel as if any of the guns right now are op. some are strong with attachments, as they should be. that's what leveling up a gun should do. there is nothing here quite like akimbo 1887s. only gun i don't understand is the haymaker- i get a ton of hitmarkers and also lose to everything but lmgs/snipers at close range, but maybe i'm using it wrong.
ShadowsFell
Member
I was counting my shots. I can't imagine that's what's going on. Especially since I've purposely tried firing it at all sorts of random rates and never have an issue with it unless it's during a gun fight with a certain. I think something else is going on. I've had weird issues where automatics will start firing at wonky rates during combat too. I've made an effort to count the bursts at the same rhythm every time because I've been aware of this.
Fluffhead14
Member
just started using it, it's sick. do you suggest fast mags or extended mags? thing runs through the mag quick as hell.
Tried messing around a bit with the Drakon, changing the optics to a non-zoom scope like the ELO. Found myself really liking it for the one hit head shot kills. With a shorter range scope like that it still does some work at close range, only thing is the time to ADS is still pretty slow.
adding the foregrip to the kn-44 really tightens up the shot grouping and makes that thing pretty deadly at longer ranges (with long barrel of course).
adding the foregrip to the kn-44 really tightens up the shot grouping and makes that thing pretty deadly at longer ranges (with long barrel of course).
ShadowsFell
Member
In my opinion the Gorgon never needed a nerf in the first place. It's a defensive weapon, and I think people whine about those more than anything because they hate "campers". The game is full of spazzes that sprint all over with their SMG's. Just my take on it. The Gorgon had a great strength, but tons of downsides that went with it.
It's an amazing gun. Maybe my favorite LMG. I love the BRM as well.
I don't use fast mags or extended. I use reflex or recon sights, and a grip, and maybe a silencer occasionally. If I were to pick one? I would probably use extended mags, personally.
ShadowsFell
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Fluffhead14
Member
it's one thing to lay down a hallway with it, but playing those guns defensively like you said can be really fun. i try to patrol an area (like the back half of the map on Fringe). there's a difference between camping in the corner in the buildings on either side of that map and moving from side to side anticipating enemy spawns (i play tdm). people cry about camping whenever you play to the weapon and map's strengths with an lmg.
ShadowsFell
Member
LMG's are my favorite guns. Sometimes it's beneficial to lay in a hallway if you're playing an objective mode to cut off traffic. I don't stay there though. I like being tactical and moving from spot to spot, cutting off areas of the map. I play domination almost exclusively. I love controlling areas effectively. Playing tactically, and intelligently. It's one of the reason the unlimited sprint/movement system bothers me so much in this game. I feel it really fucks up so much of it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The M8 could use a burst fire delay, but there's nothing wrong with the VMP and Pharo.
I really dont get this. It's an auto fire burst fire weapon. It all depends on how fast your trigger finger is. Kinda like the FAL from BLOPS2.
It's one of the few weapons that actually takes some skill instead of just holding down the trigger, and praying and spraying.
I'm with you, but then they'd have to remove it from every other gun, and I don't see that happening.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sorry, i meant the m8 is not an auto fire burst fire weapon. You shouldnt be punished for having a fast trigger finger.
It's my favorite gun in MP and I do the best with it.
ShadowsFell
Member
It might be mine too. I honestly love the BRM as well. The Dredge is just a monster.
You haven't experienced the Vesper, have you?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I leveled up all the ARs during the double weapon xp weekend and I did great with pretty much all of them. I think the worst one is the ICR-1 which has side to side wobble even though it has the highest accuracy in class. I just cant win gun fights with that weapon because of that.
Every other AR is a three shot kill pretty much every time with the long barrel attachment. Some guns like the AK, Man of War and Shieva might need 5 attachments to be good, but i dont mind that. I can still roll with two perks after that.
5 attachments? Which ones are even worthwhile? I can see running 3 on most guns (long barrel, foregrip, quickdraw grip).
mangochutney
Member
Man if I unlock a Verde or Timber camo one more time...
ShadowsFell
Member
I actually kinda like the ICR-1. Haha
bolkiebasher
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Yaphett Kotto
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Auto fire doesn't make it any different from burst weapons in the past. Its literally functions the same as burst fire weapons in older games just with a "auto fire" function. Having a trigger finger, or lack of, doesn't make the gun shoot any faster or slower than it already does.
And the fact that most of the automatic weapons in this game have some serious drawback for in either recoil, range, firerate, or damage, praying and spraying definitely isn't some type of ez mode. Thing is, M8 doesn't have many drawbacks itself - the burst fire delay is short as hell, it has minimal recoil even without grip, great range, good damage, and completely shuts out the XR-2 and Shieva at any range. It doesn't take much skill to use.
Bookmark or quote me on this: it will be the top tier weapon that will be the go-to choice for many and will gain more popularity once more start to see how good it is. From competitive players to your daily pubstomper.
ShadowsFell
Member
Do we have any Xbox one players in this thread? Most of the people I used to play CoD with have stopped playing the series. I'd love to have some teammates!
Hidden One
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I purchased a scuf controller >_>. Scuf jump all day <_<.
backflip10019
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Me! Feel free to add me on XBL: backflip10019! I've been on a Halo and Fallout kick recently, but could certainly be persuaded to play when I'm on!
I've used the Vesper more than the VMP.
The Vesper's range and recoil is awful, so it's actually balanced out rather nicely. It's exclusively effective at close-range, which is the purpose of the gun. Not to mention it demands constant reloading giving you some vulnerability.
VMP doesn't follow any of that logic. It hardly kicks, it's range isn't half bad, it fires faster than any other full-auto SMG besides the Vesper, and it also contains 40 bullets per magazine.
Please tell me how that makes any sense, because it fucking doesn't. Either nerf the clip size of the VMP, nerf the range again, or straight up lower the firerate. It's considered a top-tier SMG for a reason.
EDIT: Oh and look at that, pro players only using VMPs and M8s
Yaphett Kotto
Member
First game was literally nothing but VMP and M8. LOL
ShadowsFell
Member
Vesper was blocked
Yaphett Kotto
Member
VMP is probably the better gun in the long run. Vesper isn't really viable outside close range.
Collateral22
Member
ESL has much better production than MLG. Event is going great so far, didn't think E6 would get destroyed like that.
ShadowsFell
Member
Yea that's how I got my glitch doubles and vision pulse doubles.
I would get behind the enemy, and for glitch would run past a couple guys and than glitch behind them. Vision Pulse I just chilled and waited until 2 guys were near each other. Rejack double kills are going to be the worst.
There's nothing wrong with the VMP or Pharo; even at longer middle ranges the Pharo struggles bad. If Pharo got a nerf, it would probably ruin the gun.
Maybe a slight nerf to the VMP, but nothing major. I got the 100 headshots for it, but once I gold it, I'm going to stop using it. Not a big fan.
Until the enemy is 20+ feet plus, then you're watching a killcam.
Damn triple post... sorry. Just reading the last couple pages, and responding to different posts.
ShadowsFell
Member
I disagree. I think there's definitely something wrong with the Pharo, and that it needs another nerf. It's too effective at medium range in my opinion. I don't think it would ruin the gun. They already just about ruined the Gorgon with its nerf, a gun that in my opinion never needed a nerf to begin with. It was powerful in a specific usage, but had huge downsides to go with it.
I haven't personally played with the VMP, so I won't comment on it.
mangochutney
Member
Am I missing something because my M8A7 does not auto burst.
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Would be nice to get decent teammates every once in a while
Yea but that's what the Pharos advantage is - medium range. It gets outgunned by other SMGs like Vesper, VMP, and (should) Weevil at close range. The Pharo and Kuda excel at medium range, while the Razorback covers the longer range. All guns of course can kill at every distance, but those are the distances where they do best. You can't turn a burst fire SMG into a very close quarters gun and that's it; like I said, it would probably ruin it because their would be no point in running a burst fire SMG when you could use a superior Vesper/VMP at close.
I honestly haven't been killed by a Pharo, and said "Man that gun needs a nerf", unlike the M8. I don't mind the SMGs as they are now, just need to give the Weevil a buff.
ShadowsFell
Member
I'll add you. Gt is: ShadowsFell
I totally disagree. The Pharo shreds people up close. And I've had way to many instances of getting dropped quickly at medium range by the Pharo. It's awesome at close range, and too good at medium range, I think. I do think it needs a nerf.
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Deleted member 325805
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Well that's a new one for me, 10/12 players were all from the same clan and they were all killing me because I cheat, apparently. I'll upload the demo later as it's pretty funny. I love hardcore but stuff like this shouldn't be possible, I'd much prefer ricochet.
Pegasus Actual
Member
Love this game but the hit detection sometimes..
First of all, you no a-use-a-da-brecci!
Second of all you play-a-da-hardcore!
Third of all you a-no-a-fast-a-plant-a-da-bomb.
With that all out of the way, you fired before you were ADSed, and you got a lucky hipfire hitmarker. And because you are playing no health mode he died.