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Call of Duty: Black Ops III |OT| No Content For Old Gen
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ShadowsFell
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I do that with snipers and LMG's too. In fact my stats are better in this game, than in Black Ops 2. It's just far more annoying, and blatantly obvious that the developers were catering the game towards a particular set of players and playstyle. Just because I, and others can dominate with those weapons doesn't mean the depth hasn't been lowered, or that the game isn't negatively impacted. It's much harder, more of a pain in the ass, and you die to much more cheap shit.
I die to more annoying deaths. It's less satisfying. More getting shot in the side and back, people floating into the window I'm sniping from with a Vesper, etc.
More bullshit deaths, and less deaths from just being out shot. That's a bad thing.
A perk that doesn't even trigger shock charges or trip mines is a perfect example. It's awful design. Tactical mask should cover shock charges, and at most, hard wired should delay the trip mine. That way, even if someone is protected from them, it still alerts me that they're there, and maybe I can turn around and actually engage them in a gunfight instead of easily being shot in the back, having no awareness they were there until I'm dead.
To me, whatever creates more gunfights or potential for gunfights than instances like that one are great.
The other day I hope into a game on combine, using the Locus with an Elo. I get three sniper kills in the first 45 seconds, all in gunfights, direct exchanges of shots. Then some guy wall runs to my side of the map, walks under me where I can't see him, holds a button to float in the air, and sprays me in the face with a Vesper. That's lame.
He didn't outplay me. He didn't have to try to outshoot me or outsmart me. He just gets to hold the floaty button and there's not much I could do about it. Things like this irritate me. It makes the game more mindless. It makes it less deep and tactical. It makes it more geared towards one playstyle.
7DollarHagane
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I guess I have always enjoyed a run and gun style. It's not necessarily easier. With guns like the Argus and the old slug shotgun from bo2 you still have to get close. Going on a good steak and flanking the enemy is fun.
I'm a fan of that guys videos too and stopped playing bo2 for the same reason, lag compensation and such.
Bo3 just feels better in my experience.
Maybe it's because I mostly play tdm. I don't really care much about objective games in cod. I like running around with an argus getting one shot kills and trying to jump into their spawn.
7DollarHagane
Banned
Well that's cod, like it or not.
I actually kind of hate people who lay prone and hit you while you don't even see them or when you turn a corner.
Those people you snipe feel the same way you do when they rush you with an smg. They couldn't win when you were sniping, you couldn't win when they rushed.
ShadowsFell
Member
I play Domination, and Safegaurd primarily. I actually have nothing against the run and gun style. I like playing it sometimes too. But the design of the game makes it blatantly obvious who it was designed for. Most of the people that play COD seem to enjoy flailing about the map with an SMG or assault rifle. That's ok, and the intelligent run and gun style is different. I just don't like seeing the game so catered to them.
For sure, this game does feel like it performs better than Black Ops 2 network wise, but there's still a ways to go on that front too.
ShadowsFell
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That hasn't always been COD, and that's the difference. Only advanced warfare and Black ops 3 have had movement systems that allow it. Most games in the series have not been that way.
I'm not talking about just laying prone. When I play defensively, I go from choke point to choke point, defend objectives, cover teammates and hot areas of the map.
I don't think that comparison makes sense because if someone engages me at medium range with an SMG when I'm using a sniper rifle, they played badly. I was more making a point about people being able to float into elevated positions or easily get around trip mines and such. If I ran into close range engagements with a sniper, I wouldn't be upset, it would be my fault for not playing the gun as it should be played. It's two different things.
Hispanicguy
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Goodnight man ggs as always
Thanks guys! If we are really only going to play coop against each other would you still suggest black ops 2? Sorry to take over this thread, by the way. I don't seem to be able to create topics for some reason and couldn't figure out where else to post!
Pure_Phazon
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Pretty annoying when you join a friend's lobby it automatically parties you up, but then puts you on the other team.
TimeEffect
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You cant create topics because you are a junior member, but you aren't taking anything over so no worries.
Im not sure if co-op is affected, but I was just going off reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackops2
I may be wrong about Blops 2, but older COD games getting hacked to death after the developer moved on is a common trend.
For the record, I played Black Ops 2 a month ago and it was just fine, but I've been reading about hacked lobbies just 2 days ago, so I thought Id warn you
Very. It's better off that they just outright refuse to partying up until they're out of a game lobby.
Managed to squeeze one match for the night. Good comeback by Jorge.
We all know that snipers have zero aim-assist, but...
I was doing some sniping with the locus+elo sight, and maybe I'm crazy, but it feels like it has little bit of aim-assist.
When there were more than 2 guys in my scope and they were moving, my aim was twitching little bit even though I wasn't moving my stick.
And this only happened with the elo sight.
I was doing some sniping with the locus+elo sight, and maybe I'm crazy, but it feels like it has little bit of aim-assist.
When there were more than 2 guys in my scope and they were moving, my aim was twitching little bit even though I wasn't moving my stick.
And this only happened with the elo sight.
computers putin'
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Ovenbakedmuffin is pretty spot on in his analysis of the networking side on CoD games. As for me, lag and hit detection are extremely inconsistent; one match I can't hope to kill anything, and others I can run around and feel like a god, with shots that register instantly and everything feeling crisp. It could be issues on my end too, but every time I try something and I think it works, things take a turn for the worse again, and so on.
I mean, at least this year I can get a decent match every once in a while, because last year every match I played in AW felt like shit. Black Ops 3 is still far off from the best performing game in terms of lag though.
ShadowsFell
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If I remember correctly, in his weapon reviews Drift0r stated that two of the sniper rifles do have a small amount of aim assist. I can't remember which ones though.
By that your KD gets viewable too and if people know that their KD is showcased they automatically start to play for KD
No they don't, specialist abilities can be helpfull though like kinetic armor. I got most with a VMP + extended mags but its hard to really force these medals. I got one while playing dual pistols while getting the gold camos
I still don't understand what is bullshit about getting flanked. He literally did outplay you by favoring his odds due to going close quarters with an SMG.
What a mindless "less tactical" Game would it be if you could not be flanked? You should be aware that this is possible especially on Combine. If the game was designed any other way ARs and long range weapons would be even more dominant. This game is designed with 4v4 competitive in mind! Beeing aware of flanking routes is part of the game and trying to close them down and using them for breaking the enemies setup is essential. Long range/ Defenders have a very strong advantage over flankers!
Yeah I noticed this, too. I'm used to sniping using the highest sensitivity and quickscoping since MW2 and I don't want to get used to the higher ADS time cause it changes the time I drag the scope over the enemies. I played some ffas for fun and definetly noticed some sticking when draging over enemies. Maybe they changed it, would prefer no auto-aim but faster, normal ADS time though
ShadowsFell
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It's inconsistent to me from person to person, and game to game. Something changed with the original Black Ops, and to varying degrees seemingly has been there each year.
I barely played Advanced Warfare because of the Exo-movement. Probably among other things, but that was the primary reason. I think it's the worst Cod game ever made from the Cod 4 point inward. (I didn't really play CoDs prior to Cod 4 online, and it was different, so I'm not really including them.)
ShadowsFell
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He literally didn't outplay me. Take away his magic floaty button and he couldn't have done what he did.
I've never once said there's anything wrong with flanking. There isn't. What is wrong, is making it so unbelievably easy through unlimited sprint, the movement system, map design, a perk system that caters to that very style, and cover and elevated positions being far less viable because of the magic floaty button. For many reasons, it's very easy to see what style this game is catered to.
I also never said they made the game mindless, but that they made it much more mindless and less tactical for all of the reasons I've mentioned throughout this thread. I've already said that there's a difference between people who flail around the map mindlessly with SMG's, and those who play an intelligent run and gun style.
Yeah but the map is designed for exactly that othereise you would sit at a point with 1 entrance. Take away his magic button and put a staircase next to it - same result. And the exact situation you were describing doesnt fall under mindless running, does it? You probably picked him off - he noticed and flanked you sucessfully because you felt to safe
And for flanking in almost every situation there are about 2 possible ways for him, now imaging a team beeing aware of that. If you experience this situation you know how hard it is in this game to flank. For good setups your only option is often smoking to have a minimal chance to get to the objective (Take Fringe hardpoint as an example - I don't know if you know the hardpoints but one is in the white bulding and extremly easy to cut off - if the enemy does it right you get spawned at the scrapyard thing right to this tunnel situation where you basically get destroyed by 1 good situated person constantly. Now imagine this situation without the games movement system - you maybe had 1 approach to break the hardpoint due to the time needed to traverse the map.
ShadowsFell
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Actually I move around the map to where I'm needed. I can predict a staircase- use trip mines for example. Floating in my face with a Vesper is just dumb.
He did what he did successfully because of the magic floaty button. Otherwise he would have had to actually go around behind me, and I check staircases often, not to mention the aforementioned trip mine, or actually change his strategy and engage me in a gunfight.
I didn't feel safe. At that point on Combine I was completely exposed with no cover. There was literally almost nothing I could do. He didn't even climb onto the platform, just floated in the air with the highest RPM submachine-gun in the game and sprayed killing me virtually instantly. Again, take away the magic floaty button and he actually would have had to have thought more about his approach.
I'm not saying his instance was mindless running. I don't know enough about the person. What I am saying is, he took advantage of a mechanic that I think is dumb, and makes the game more shallow.
I just saw your edit. I mostly play Domination and Safegaurd. I honestly have zero issue with flanking, it's a lot of other things that are the issue for me. In those modes, when I do play a run and gun style I've found it incredibly easy to flank in this game for the most part.
The game designed that intentionally as a "normal" movement way. I talked about hypothetically removing the boosting option and the game putting another staircase there somehow.
The vesper itself is another problem, it is always our first ban because you basically have no chance in cqc and get killed by mindless spraying. Equipment like shock charges is banned, too luckily.
I mean think about your situation you can get flanked out of 2 positions - someone getting behind you or someone getting under you unnoticed and boosting up. Now just put 3 additional players in the situation - one securing the wall-run and helping mid if needed - one below you to your left at the headglitch barrel- one securing the laboratory, preferably locking down the river side. Out of 2 possible flank routes for one of the strongest position there remain 0 options for mindless pushing or flanking
ShadowsFell
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A staircase directly in front of me? Or what? I'm not sure how that would make sense. In old cod games, people would have to use the back staircase. A new flanking lane would have to be added where the wall running section is though, without wall running and boost. The area on combine is weak as it is. It's elevated, and has literally no cover. I think power positions should mean something, and not just be floated up to, or into, personally.
The Vesper is nuts. I've actually gotten killed from pretty far away by that thing. It's ridiculous. To be fair, he probably could have done the same thing with many, or all of the SMG's though.
Drakon and P-06. Though very minimal aim assist.
Yeah maybe something to climb up like in older cod games. I don't remember many positions with only one main entry at the back - maybe the laundry at raid. The problem is that such a situation always favors the pre-aiming player, the moving player always gets punished in COD anyway due to ads-time, but having to climb up as another option was always really loud (like boosting without the perk) and gives another strong disadvantage to the challenging player. This CoD like AW just removes some comforts of ADS power positions and helps pushers a little bit - and I think the situation you described is a good example for the gameplay working and nothing outraging. Like in my example you can easily prevent this - now imaging a game where you alone can prevent yourself of getting flanked all the time due to bad map design and a bad movement system. This game is very similar to BO2, I would argue SMGs are even less competitive because in bo2 you were able to kill AR users at longer ranges.
The position we talk about is by the way even more powerfull for a scuf or claw player, cause that way you can float over the wall to just check the area and even shoot, but I think the barrel below is a much stronger position
geordiemp
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He did outplay you, you stayed in same spot and he had a strategy to remove you. Its your fault. If I watch a kill cam and see a camper, I watch each death carefully....then I go out of my way to kill them. There is always a way to remove these guys, always.
I am glad there is a counter to camper trip mines and shock charges, otherwise nobody would move and just hole up in a room, I remember the vidoes of that guy on the big yacht who would camp the upper room on Bo2 every game...
Bo3 is about gunfight then move, you can have maybe 2 gunfights in same position then you must move. If you dont, you deserve to die or the opposition is crap.
geordiemp
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OMG no, not stair cases, games would finish on time out as everyone would find that elevated hole.
I play my fair amount of LMG's, I dont wall run or jump around with them, but I do put stock and quickdraw minimum and I relocate a little after a fight, and it works well, 48 dredge I have a KD of 2 with it in TDM playing solo.
This game is really frustrating at times. In capture the flag when your the only one bothering to do the objective, and then you die right near to getting the flag back and no one in your team bothers to get it. They dont help escort or keep the point clear, there just all hiding trying to keep the KD. I dont understand why these people bother to play in these modes. Lucky I dont have a mic because I would just swear at them and end up being one of those typical COD players.
Yup, it's the worst. I don't have a great KD ratio, but it's mostly because I actually go after objectives. Too many people are just concerned about getting kills. The stats are meaningless to me.
I tried playing CTF for the 50 win challenge but the objective seemed to be to get the flag and camp in the enemies spawn to get flag carry kills for easy scorestreaks. Was only possible to play with at least one person you know and ensure that no one from your team gets the flag and camps with it untill the time limit
When I die extremely fast, without having time to react, it's usually because of the vesper. Kills so damn fast
Anyways, thanks for the games last night gaf, it was fun
TheGoreMagala
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Anyone up for some rounds of Domination?
Edit: Also looking for someone to call in a mothership for the support gunner challenges, but I'm up for playing with anyone.
Edit: Also looking for someone to call in a mothership for the support gunner challenges, but I'm up for playing with anyone.
Reckless Onion
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And then you get thrown in a combine match half way through, just accept your fate, it's combine ops for now
It's Ground War Ops for me now.
Man getting those long shots with the HVK was hard. I suspect it won't be much better with the ICR...
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