IonicSnake
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Pretty much ignored them this entire generation.
Can a proper gamer ignore Nintendo games?
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Nintendork22
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KenOD said:
You make a good point. If it can derail some of the fanboy trolling, could we refocus the discussion on this point? I believe that there are games, or perhaps franchises, which one needs to play to consider themselves an enthusiast.
For example, does a gamer need to play Super Mario Galaxy 2 to be a gaming enthusiast? No.
Does a gamer need to have played at least 1 2d super mario and 1 3d super mario to be a gaming enthusiast? Yes.
The Technomancer
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I think if we're talking about history then a person who thinks of themselves as a games enthusiast cannot afford to ignore the influence of Nintendo, and even appreciate some of the design that went into Super Mario Bros or Ocarina of Time. In the same category I feel are titles like DOOM or Spacewar.PortTwo said:
But in terms of contemporary output I don't think a "games enthusiast" has any obligation to play Nintendo's stuff, regardless of incredible it is.
Okay explain to me how any Call of Duty game is different from any other.outunderthestars said:
You still play as a soldier, fight in a war, use guns, kill opposing enemies to war, follow terrible war-centered storyline, with some multiplayer on the side. The goal of the game is to shoot people, and get to A to B objectives with linear campaign design.
I can do this too, for any game. The fact that you think Zelda is simply just that shows that you fail to have any understanding of what Zelda actually is. If you think Twilight Princess is even remotely similar to a game like Phantom Hourglass or the original Legend of Zelda then you simply have mental problems and look at games more-so as story-telling devices than gameplay.
Yet aside from Mass Effect and Valkyria Chronicles none of those games do anything new to the genres they represent whatsoever, aside from having cinematic presentation.outunderthestars said:
XANDER CAGE
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I hate video games
XANDER CAGE
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Gravijah said:
I hate trees.
Poimandres
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edwardslane said:seriously if you haven't played mario galaxy or zelda, or metroid or smash brothers mario kart in the last 5 years how can you consider yourself a hardcore gamer
I'll bite on this one.
Mario Galaxy I will give you. Amazing games those.
But I would argue that Zelda, Metroid, Smash Brother and Mario Kart haven't had any "essential" releases in the last 5 years. At least nothing radically different than what had come before.
nincompoop
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A proper gamer plays all of his games on the PC so that he can get the best graphics, best controls, and most content for the best price. Anybody else is a casual non-gaming neophyte.
outunderthestars
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Nintendork22 said:
I can say the same thing about Vectrex games. Now you're not a proper gaming enthusiast.
Once you start telling someone what they have to do to be able to consider themselves part of a hobby you become an elitist snob.
Oppo
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_Alkaline_ said:
Really?
They make a game every 2 years.
Drake's Fortune: fall 2007
Among Thieves: fall 2009
Drake's Deception: fall 2011
PSV Golden Abyss (with a different team): between fall 2011 and spring 2012
And you are counting that as 4 games in 4 years.
Meanwhile, I could turn to the number of "Mario" titles in the last four years, and what would I find?
gatotsu911
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I suppose you could, but if you're interested in games as an enthusiast/connoisseur, you probably shouldn't. At the very least, every self-proclaimed gamer should play through some portion of Nintendo's AAA NES/SNES/N64 library.
XANDER CAGE
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Gravijah said:
Yeah well I hate...
VIDEO GAMES EVEN MORE THAN YOU
I have lots of friends who almost exclusively play Blizzard titles, and they are some of the best gamers (skill-wise) I know.
Mention Nintendo stuff to them, and they'll shrug it off. It's all personal preference. Me, I love playing both, but I don't consider myself more "proper" than they are at gaming.
Mention Nintendo stuff to them, and they'll shrug it off. It's all personal preference. Me, I love playing both, but I don't consider myself more "proper" than they are at gaming.
_Alkaline_
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PortTwo said:
Er, yeah.
Cause that's four games in four years, you loon.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
...yes. Yes, between fall 2007 and fall 2011 are in fact four years. So its 4 Uncharted titles in 4.5 years.PortTwo said:
One 2D Mario game and two 3D Mario games. The two are barely the same genre, they just feature the same character.
MeBecomingI
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The_Technomancer said:
I don't mean to sound like an ass, but I don't really see the point, unless you are searching for something that goes against my opinion through a game I may or may not be playing at present. Sorry if that sounded harsh, but that is usually where this leads... But in the interest of the thread... anything that can interest me. Currently playing through Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together, Beyond Good and Evil HD, The Witcher 2 and a replay of Vagrant Story.
Don't get me wrong... I can enjoy a game in a series that has had a long and storied history. But personally, I can only take so much of a game where the property itself has lost the charm it once had with me. I would prefer Nintendo return a franchise like Earthbound and apply some of the talent to a franchise that could use a fresh revival. I WANT THAT!
XANDER CAGE
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tiff said:
Can you pick up a cherry with your ass cheeks and walk over to a cup of beer and drop it in?
All while playing The Lost Levels, I might add. We all did it.
Oppo
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Do you need to read Hemingway in order to be considered a well-rounded literary critic?
Or is it ok to simply recognize his contribution, knowing that his style might not be your cup of tea?
I was trying to point out that this is not strange. And that the other game was not Naughty Dog. But I'm supporting your point, just maybe for a different reason.
Also, mind you, the dev of U1 was not instant
Or is it ok to simply recognize his contribution, knowing that his style might not be your cup of tea?
Weasel word highlighted. Nintendo doesn't get to trade on Mario's name without it "counting". They stick his name on the box, it's a Mario game. Everything else is equivocation.Big One said:
Yeah I was pretty clear._Alkaline_ said:
I was trying to point out that this is not strange. And that the other game was not Naughty Dog. But I'm supporting your point, just maybe for a different reason.Also, mind you, the dev of U1 was not instant
outunderthestars
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gatotsu911 said:
psh. Casual gamer. real gamers play all of Nintendo's virtual boy and game & watch games.
See how stupid this becomes?
The Technomancer
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I was curious to see if you were someone who enjoyed modern franchises that feature multiple bi-yearly installments, because I was going to ask what it was that kept them fresh for you.MeBecomingI said:
The games you're playing hardly fall into that category, and I give props to you for it. Given what it appears you do enjoy playing I'm in agreement with you, or at least I understand you.
outunderthestars
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The_Technomancer said:
So you count the handheld uncharted but not the handheld mario games? Not counting the paper mario games either?
The Technomancer
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...what handheld Mario game? NSMB released back in 2006. Although I might grant you it.outunderthestars said:
But no, I don't count the Paper Mario or Mario and Luigi games because they're RPGs
outunderthestars
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J-Rock said:
You actually have to be reading this via the Wii's web browser in order to be a proper gamer.
MeBecomingI
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The_Technomancer said:I was curious to see if you were someone who enjoyed modern franchises that feature multiple bi-yearly installments, because I was going to ask what it was that kept them fresh for you.
The games you're playing hardly fall into that category, and I give props to you for it. Given what it appears you do enjoy playing I'm in agreement with you, or at least I understand you.
Not a problem! Like I said, I am sorry if I came across like an ass. Just weary of questions like that.
I am glad we agree!
outunderthestars
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kliklik said:
_Alkaline_
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outunderthestars said:
No.
Those Paper Mario games are RPGs - ie something completely different to standard Mario fare.
Your argument has gone from "Mario games are all the same" to "too many games with Mario."
Nintendork22
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Chamber said:
Fixed. You forgot the monocle. We are talking about "proper" gamers after all.
tiff said:
Okay, back to the topic at hand. I would say a gaming enthusiast has played at least one of the metal gear solid games.
But I don't want to just list my opinions. I want to know what others think as well.
The Technomancer
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Which is certainly a decent argument, but one very different from the one originally propositioned._Alkaline_ said:
ShockingAlberto
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I played Sanctum but my core was getting wrecked by bugs.Gravijah said:
Can a proper gamer ignore their core getting wrecked by bugs?!
NullPointer
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Well none of us are playing games right now so....Speevy said: