VivaciousSoul
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Nintendork22 said:
I can't really think of another company that you could legitimately ask this about.
Has to count for something right?
Can a proper gamer ignore Nintendo games?
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I can't really think of another company that you could legitimately ask this about.
Has to count for something right?
jim-jam bongs
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Alrus said:
To be completely honest I haven't really looked at Skyward Sword much, so I'm happy to concede that I'm completely off the mark if it's as promising as people are saying.
My opinion may make more sense if you understand that it comes from being someone who has never been able to finish a Zelda game because I don't find the mechanics, structure or narratives compelling enough to really grab me. I'm sure that there's a lot of depth and variety to be found if you persevere, but I've found them to be pretty interchangeable, at least on a superficial level. However, that's the only basis upon which I can really assess them so I understand that it might seem ignorant to the more learned Zelda player.
Kaijima said:
I agree to the extent that a lot of third parties clearly put out substandard or low-budget spinoff games on the console, but I'd actually argue that there were more, better third party games on Wii than on GameCube (a console I personally thought was mostly awful). The No More Heroes games, Red Steel 2, GoldenEye 007, Deadly Creatures, Little King's Story, Godfather: Blackhand Edition, Dead Space Extraction, Muramasa, Boom Blox, De Blob, Zack & Wiki and so on. Many of which even used motion control in significantly more successful and inventive ways than Nintendo's first party titles. If you were ready to do the research, the Wii was a goldmine of niche third-party gems.
)krypt0nian
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Sipowicz said:
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I found it terrifyingly bad. Wind Waker alone blows away your list in my eyes. But everyone has their own views. Hopefully the U will bring back the people like me that the Wii utterly failed.
Same here. I haven't played a Nintendo console game since N64. I haven't owned a Nintendo console, besides a brief affair with a DS Lite, since SNES. Every once in a while I think about getting a DS again but I have never had any intention to buy a Wii and have less intention to buy a Wii U.Draft said:
[edit] Sorry, I hate when people quote something from the first page of a huge thread....and I just did. *leaves thread in shame*
Hyuga said:
Well yes, but every statement in this thread can have that reply to it.
I do think more people need to experience Pac-Man VS. Not to be a "proper/real/super/true/dancing queen/blast processing/whatever player, but just so people can experience something still unique and fun. Hopefully with the result that we get more games like that (XBLA needs such a thing).
The idea that anyone who dislikes the Wii is blinded by rage against the rise of motion controls and casual gaming, unable to accept the objective fact that Nintendo's first party output is the best since the SNES, is as offensive and absurd as any argument I've heard to dismiss the Wii.Kaijima said:
Fisticuffs
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Wait, I thought the requirements to become a proper gamer was to HATE on Nintendo!
pieatorium
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BlizzardVivaciousSoul said:
staticneuron
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What is so amazing about this thread, is people talking about wii titles as if they are the best thing since sliced bread. I had my Wii for at least 3 years before I sold it, I played all the big name titles within those years. I was not impressed at all.
Imo, the N64 was a more enjoyable experience for me. I find Nintendo games to be formulaic rehashes of tried and true mechanics. I don't find anything wrong with that but to me it is only a part of what makes a game "good". I think Nintendo games lack on driving narrative and some of their main franchises lack growth. Because of this, if you have experienced these franchises before, especially the 3D iterations, I don't think there is any "need" to revisit them unless you personally "like" the series.
I don't miss the Wii, now that I sold it, and I see nothing about the Wii U that entices me. And contrary to what the die hard nintendo fans of this thread would like us to believe, nintendo games aren't the end all be all of their respective genre's especially if you are looking for more, than just solid gameplay.
Imo, the N64 was a more enjoyable experience for me. I find Nintendo games to be formulaic rehashes of tried and true mechanics. I don't find anything wrong with that but to me it is only a part of what makes a game "good". I think Nintendo games lack on driving narrative and some of their main franchises lack growth. Because of this, if you have experienced these franchises before, especially the 3D iterations, I don't think there is any "need" to revisit them unless you personally "like" the series.
I don't miss the Wii, now that I sold it, and I see nothing about the Wii U that entices me. And contrary to what the die hard nintendo fans of this thread would like us to believe, nintendo games aren't the end all be all of their respective genre's especially if you are looking for more, than just solid gameplay.
Hideo Kuze
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People disregarding Nintendo are being ignorant, I can understand if you've played a proper Mario or Zelda before game and somehow managed to not like them or completely hate them, so yes people like that probably shouldn't buy a Wii but people who have never played one or haven't played one of those games in years really should consider it.
I own all 3 consoles because they all have games I want to play, I can't believe some people wouldn't want to at least try Super Mario Galaxy 2. SMG2 is one of those games every gamer should play as it's one of the best games of all time, another game everyone should experience is Portal 2 as that's also going to be remembered as one of the all time greats, games like those are ones everyone should experience if they can afford the consoles, to me it's like saying your a fan of sci-fi movies but have never seen the original Star Wars trilogy and Blade Runner and you should be ashamed, even if you end up not liking them, games like those are ones everyone should at least try.
I own all 3 consoles because they all have games I want to play, I can't believe some people wouldn't want to at least try Super Mario Galaxy 2. SMG2 is one of those games every gamer should play as it's one of the best games of all time, another game everyone should experience is Portal 2 as that's also going to be remembered as one of the all time greats, games like those are ones everyone should experience if they can afford the consoles, to me it's like saying your a fan of sci-fi movies but have never seen the original Star Wars trilogy and Blade Runner and you should be ashamed, even if you end up not liking them, games like those are ones everyone should at least try.
staticneuron said:
But what if i do believe that some of them ARE the best thing since sliced bread.
Should i not say it because you dont like the system?
staticneuron said:
Yes its all just an elaborate scam by die hard fans to trick others into buying rehashes without grimdark stories.
pieatorium
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So you do game on your PC or are you disregarding it and being ignorant?Hideo Kuze said:
Not really! It's a question of taste (same with food). You like this, you hate that. So what?
A lot of gamers aren't interested in Nintendo games. They are still gamer, hardcore gamer, real gamer, proper gamer, etc. whatever!
They simply don't like it because it is not interesting for them and so it sucks.
Problem here is: A lot of Nintendo fans got butthurt, because they live in a "Nintendo games are the best. Nothing is better!!!!11" world.
Well, maybe they "believe" it. But it doesn't mean it's the truth.
StefanTheMongol
Member
I have ignored Nintendo since 2006 and I'm fine. They don't make games that I like. They don't have controllers I like. They don't have proper MODERN online gaming. Their games don't win any "Game of the Year" awards anymore (when including all systems). Oh and I like to play games in high definition. Old games with new controls are still old games.
Its easy to ignore Nintendo games for me. Played N games since the Game & Watch days and was always a Nintendo fanboy, loved their games. But since the Wii I completely stopped caring and buying them because they simply haven't changed in years. I re-bought so many games so many times over the years I just completely lost interest.
Synth_floyd
Banned
"A proper gamer?" Sounds like the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Of course "a proper gamer" can ignore Nintendo. They can ignore whatever they want.
Flying_Phoenix
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First off I will admit that Nintendo is one of the best if not the best game developers in the world. The quantity of quality of games they develop and publish is insane. People may shout out Blizzard or Valve but in reality when one company is releasing an average of 2 games a year while the other is releasing 20, it isn't a fair comparison.
That being said about two years ago I left Nintendo and eventually found myself joining the ranks of Valve (Steam) and have really never looked back. Pretty much all the bullshit I complained about and more isn't present. Fantastic third party support, incredible graphics, a huge variety of games, benchmark online, frequent price marks, etc.
I left Nintendo because of their stupid bullshit. Not taking advantage of their innovative products, shit third party support, graphical technology from the decade prior to the last, not bringing their games over, and quite possibly the worst online implantation that has ever existed.
But being honest I'm not surprised. As much as everyone on this site like to convince themselves, Nintendo is in no way, shape, or form a game company dedicated to the core gamer. Stop hovering over that quote button, they never have been. Since the inception of their console business they have been a company that has been targeted to the family. Look at the NES days where they were such a strong watchdog for strong and edgy content. The Super Nintendo was infamous for being the "toy" and "the "family friendly" system, while its competitor the Sega Genesis was aggressively marketed for the then "core gamer". While Sony and SEGA were trying to target young adults, eliminate content editing, and jump onto the revolutionary "limitless" storage medium for deeper and more cinematic games, Nintendo stuck with the family and chose carts as their medium, and medium that greatly harmed games targeted toward the then "hardcore gamer". The Gamecube? Well first off it was fucking purple. It literally had no online what so ever. At least they tried to get some of the core gaming audience. Unfortunately it was handled horrendously.
Now the Wii is yet again Nintendo being Nintendo. They have gone backward since their Gamecube days of localizing. They have added online but its worse than even the fucking Dreamcast. And as with every generation core gamers complain about Nintendo's shittiness in appealing to them. The company is a family game company. With few exceptions like Metroid and Fire Emblem, a vast majority of their games are targeted toward children or casual playing adults. Just look at Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Kirby, Warioware, Pokemon, etc. These games aren't targeted to the guy who looks on Newegg to update their rig with the lastest video card. These games aren't targeted to the guy who would spend $600 on a console. These games are targeted to Jimmy the eight year old who plays PeeWee football and gets bored after school and looks for something to do. Or its made for Stacey the 33 year old single mother who wants to relax after her two children are in bed. That's who these games are targeted at, however they also appeal to a wide group of other people (which is exactly what Nintendo wants) similar to how World of Warcraft is targets 35 year old males, but also appeals to a wide range of other people. The only difference is that with Nintendo its the opposite, its casual(ish) game that appeals to everyone including core gamers, which results in that demographic being frustrated with the company due to the fact that they aren't its primary target market.
The only reason why the Nintendo 64 and Gamecube seem better is because you are playing a system in with a full lifespan of games.
The Nintendo 64 and Gamecube were even worse with droughts then the Wii was.
That being said about two years ago I left Nintendo and eventually found myself joining the ranks of Valve (Steam) and have really never looked back. Pretty much all the bullshit I complained about and more isn't present. Fantastic third party support, incredible graphics, a huge variety of games, benchmark online, frequent price marks, etc.
I left Nintendo because of their stupid bullshit. Not taking advantage of their innovative products, shit third party support, graphical technology from the decade prior to the last, not bringing their games over, and quite possibly the worst online implantation that has ever existed.
But being honest I'm not surprised. As much as everyone on this site like to convince themselves, Nintendo is in no way, shape, or form a game company dedicated to the core gamer. Stop hovering over that quote button, they never have been. Since the inception of their console business they have been a company that has been targeted to the family. Look at the NES days where they were such a strong watchdog for strong and edgy content. The Super Nintendo was infamous for being the "toy" and "the "family friendly" system, while its competitor the Sega Genesis was aggressively marketed for the then "core gamer". While Sony and SEGA were trying to target young adults, eliminate content editing, and jump onto the revolutionary "limitless" storage medium for deeper and more cinematic games, Nintendo stuck with the family and chose carts as their medium, and medium that greatly harmed games targeted toward the then "hardcore gamer". The Gamecube? Well first off it was fucking purple. It literally had no online what so ever. At least they tried to get some of the core gaming audience. Unfortunately it was handled horrendously.
Now the Wii is yet again Nintendo being Nintendo. They have gone backward since their Gamecube days of localizing. They have added online but its worse than even the fucking Dreamcast. And as with every generation core gamers complain about Nintendo's shittiness in appealing to them. The company is a family game company. With few exceptions like Metroid and Fire Emblem, a vast majority of their games are targeted toward children or casual playing adults. Just look at Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Kirby, Warioware, Pokemon, etc. These games aren't targeted to the guy who looks on Newegg to update their rig with the lastest video card. These games aren't targeted to the guy who would spend $600 on a console. These games are targeted to Jimmy the eight year old who plays PeeWee football and gets bored after school and looks for something to do. Or its made for Stacey the 33 year old single mother who wants to relax after her two children are in bed. That's who these games are targeted at, however they also appeal to a wide group of other people (which is exactly what Nintendo wants) similar to how World of Warcraft is targets 35 year old males, but also appeals to a wide range of other people. The only difference is that with Nintendo its the opposite, its casual(ish) game that appeals to everyone including core gamers, which results in that demographic being frustrated with the company due to the fact that they aren't its primary target market.
staticneuron said:
The only reason why the Nintendo 64 and Gamecube seem better is because you are playing a system in with a full lifespan of games.
The Nintendo 64 and Gamecube were even worse with droughts then the Wii was.
bone_and_sinew
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The last Nintendo console I owned was an SNES.
My friends all had N64s so I didn't miss out there, in fact every day we came from school we'd play Goldeneye, WCW/NWO Revenge, Mario Kart, Mortal Kombat 4, and others together.
Only one of my friends had a Gamecube but at least he let me burrow it so I could play Metroid Prime, ED:SR, etc...
This gen though, none of my friends have a Wii and not a single fuck was given by any of us.
Not one of us gives a fuck about the Wii U either.
My friends all had N64s so I didn't miss out there, in fact every day we came from school we'd play Goldeneye, WCW/NWO Revenge, Mario Kart, Mortal Kombat 4, and others together.
Only one of my friends had a Gamecube but at least he let me burrow it so I could play Metroid Prime, ED:SR, etc...
This gen though, none of my friends have a Wii and not a single fuck was given by any of us.
Not one of us gives a fuck about the Wii U either.
Flying_Phoenix
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Kaijima said:
Whatever Nintendo console you grew up with is the best Nintendo console. Whatever Nintendo console that is currently out is the worst Nintendo console, its that simple.
And yes the Gamecube is factually Nintendo's worst console from an objective standpoint.
tiff said:
Its not anybody who dislikes the Wii, but people who act like its the worst Nintendo console ever and that there quality has taken a nosedive. Its hilarious to suggest a thing as you must have insane rose tinted glasses on. As I've said before its Nintendo being Nintendo.
Nintendo are one game developer out of many, I don't think it's necessary for a "proper" gamer to play games from any particular developer. Nothing Nintendo has done for ages has excited me so I haven't picked up a Wii or played a Nintendo game for a while but I play lots of games from various companies and I believe that not playing Nintendo games is irrelevant to my gaming experience.
staticneuron
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MYE said:
All I am saying is that the opinion held by those putting nintendo games on a pedastool is not a universal truth. They are still opinions, and creating a list of titles and putting them next to genre's just makes it seem like going overboard.
Flying_Phoenix said:
I am actually talking about the experience I had with each franchise. With the exception of metroid (obviously) I felt the N64 versions were some of the most progressive/best of certain franchises. I am talking about titles such as Mario 64, Mario Kart, starfox, Zelda, and many others.
As someone who considers OoT to be the best video game ever made, and also as someone who owns a Wii, I can confidently say yes. I have not touched the Wii since launch and have little to no desire to. The real question is, can a gamer live off of just a Nintendo console anymore? I think not.
_Alkaline_
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krypt0nian said:
How can you make such a statement if you completely ignored the Wii? You said so yourself.
revolverjgw
Member
It's perfectly fine to not play Nintendo games, you can still be a hardcore gamer with real love for the hobby. But you do forfeit the right to be one those snobby, glorious game "connoisseurs" if you aren't up to date with Nintendo's oeuvre. It's like someone who hasn't watched Bunuel or Fellini's classics calling themself a true film buff. As IF!
Alex
Member
Nintendo's modern B-catalogue is fairly shit, as far as I'm concerned, making their library without any reasonable third party support rather awful. They make good consoles to come into late, snatch up the few goodies and leave pleased, though.
I wouldn't argue any of it is necessary to play for anyone, however. You'd have to have a really narrow view of the hobby for that, especially considering the expanse of things over the past five years or so.
I wouldn't argue anything is necessary for anyone, probably less so in this medium than any other.
I wouldn't argue any of it is necessary to play for anyone, however. You'd have to have a really narrow view of the hobby for that, especially considering the expanse of things over the past five years or so.
I wouldn't argue anything is necessary for anyone, probably less so in this medium than any other.
I'm sure this has been talked about already, but are we really going to try to define a "proper gamer" now? Isn't that as stupid as trying to define a "hardcore" gamer or a "casual" gamer, or whatever title pc gamers call themselves? The OP seems to define a "proper gamer" as a well rounded gamer meaning someone who plays a variety of genres and styles. In that case I think someone could easily be a well rounded gamer and not play Nintendo games.
Metroid Prime alone puts everything on the Wii to shame and was worth the price of a GC. Not to mention F-Zero GX, the Pikmin games, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess (it was a Gamecube game first), and Metroid Prime 2. New Super Mario Bros. Wii would of convinced me to keep my Wii if the controls weren't so slippery.
DanielJr82
Member
Who cares! Just play what you want. I haven't played a Mario or Zelda game properly in almost a decade, and I'm loving games more than ever.
Monocle
Member
I don't think there's any such thing as a "proper gamer," but if I did, I'd say it would be not only possible but almost effortless to ignore Nintendo in this generation and still enjoy a rich and full diet of virtual entertainment. If you don't count Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, and No More Heroes, that's pretty much the course I've taken myself since I bought a 360. I haven't touched my Wii in years (*pause for smirks and titters*) and I've logged in fewer than 20 hours on the DS, yet this generation has been very satisfying for me.
I feel different about the Super Nintendo, N64, Gamecube, and Gameboy SP. I would be poorer without the experiences I had with those platform.
I feel different about the Super Nintendo, N64, Gamecube, and Gameboy SP. I would be poorer without the experiences I had with those platform.
Oh, that's better.Gravijah said:
Miss his "blonde Pokemon kid who shall remain nameless; jumping around with joy".-avatar.
On topic though, a "proper gamer" plays anything, no matter the console/publisher/developer. And even if he/she doesn't have every console; at least keeps informed about the latest news and always keeps an open mind.