Can a proper gamer ignore Nintendo games?

fernoca said:
Oh, that's better.
Miss his "blonde Pokemon kid who shall remain nameless; jumping around with joy".-avatar. :p


On topic though, a "proper gamer" plays anything, no matter the console/publisher/developer. And even if he/she doesn't have every console; at least keeps informed about the latest news and always keeps an open mind.
That's true, but there is a difference between playing anything and playing everything which the OP doesn't seem to grasp.
 
I would think that you could ignore games from any developer and still be a 'proper gamer'.

At the end of the day we all have other constraints on our time. Sometimes I can only find 10 minutes for gaming over a few days. In these circumstances, clearing a few stages or finding a few stars in a mario title is a good as it gets.

I tend to favour nintendo games as (a) they are attached to my childhood; and (b) they are often easy to 'pick up and play' at a high quality (e.g. playing DS or SMG, Mario Kart).

As much as I love games like Civilization, Fallout and Baldur's Gate etc... I would really struggle to find the time to play them.

Maybe this does not make me a 'proper gamer', but I think I am.
 
I cannot believe I've read through this entire thread. Hell I can't believe it's lasted past the first page.

Reading list for games, proper gamers, casual, hardcore, nintendo games all being the same, ferchrissakes. It's a cavalcade of stupidity.
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
And yes the Gamecube is factually Nintendo's worst console from an objective standpoint.
What the hell is an objective standpoint when you're talking about the quality of a video game console? Hardware reliability?
 
To answer the question posed by the title: It's certainly possible. Personally, I would not (and do not) ignore Nintendo games, and I don't think anyone should deliberately go out of their way to avoid Nintendo games. However, I do think someone can have a passion for video games and have little to no contact with Nintendo.

I've seen some people express opinions where Nintendo is equated with "required reading" or that anyone who considers himself a "real gamer" must place Nintendo on a pedestal. As someone who has played video games for over three decades, and grew up with systems like the Atari 2600, I used to think the same way about Atari games. Up until the early or mid 1990s, I didn't think anyone was a "real gamer" if they didn't have at least some appreciation for Atari or their games. But as time progressed, the video game industry broadened, and there were many great and interesting new flavors of games coming from all directions. I finally realized that it's possible to have enjoy and appreciate video games without having the same passion for Atari games that I had. I think the same is true of Nintendo, or any other video game company for that matter. There are just so many sources of video games out there now, that people can find great amounts of fun that suits their personal tastes without having to be pigeon-holed into what other people feel is "required gaming".

fernoca said:
On topic though, a "proper gamer" plays anything, no matter the console/publisher/developer. And even if he/she doesn't have every console; at least keeps informed about the latest news and always keeps an open mind.

I agree. That's a good way of putting it.
 
Only console I could live without is the 360, as I don't play online much, and with few exceptions I can get the games on PS3 or PC. Nintendo, like Sony, have too many good first party games to ignore.
 
While I'm happy that I own a Wii, I don't think Nintendo's first party games have brought enough new to the table to be essential.

Twilight Princess just aped Ocarinia, the Galaxy games were great and had innovative level design but the gameplay was basically unchanged from SM64. Metroid 3 was awesome. Hopefully Skyward Sword proves me wrong.

If you love 2D games, Nintendo made a ton of really charming ones. But how many of these (combined, even) had as much innovation and relevance to a "proper gamer" as a Braid or an OutLand?

A Proper gamer, in my view, aims to seek out the best and brightest examples of pushing gaming forward. Nintendo spent most of their resources this gen treading water.
 
The Crimson Kid said:
A Proper gamer, in my view, aims to seek out the best and brightest examples of pushing gaming forward. Nintendo spent most of their resources this gen treading water.
Serious question: Does this mean "proper gamers" don't play or enjoy games like NSMB Wii or Halo Reach because while I would say neither do much to push gaming forward they can be extremely fun and addictive in terms of multiplayer and for NSMB Wii, some seriously hardcore challenges towards the end. I'd consider both games examples of classic designs and gameplay for their genres, 2d platforming and fps but neither pushes gaming forward.
 
I'd definitely say that I don't think I'd be happy without a current Nintendo console in my rotation. Next gen I'm considering going PS4 and Wii U only. I also recently got a 3DS.
 
artwalknoon said:
Serious question: Does this mean "proper gamers" don't play or enjoy games like NSMB Wii or Halo Reach because while I would say neither do much to push gaming forward they can be extremely fun and addictive in terms of multiplayer and for NSMB Wii, some seriously hardcore challenges towards the end. I'd consider both games examples of classic designs and gameplay for their genres, 2d platforming and fps but neither pushes gaming forward.
WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS DEBATE!

*runs out screaming*
 
I mainly ignore Nintendo games. The last game Nintendo game I played too completion (okay, so I didn't get every star past the seventy or so needed to beat the game) was Super Mario Galaxy. I tried to get into SMG 2 recently but I got bored with it. Same with Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, and Smash Bros. Brawl.

Dunno if that makes me a proper gamer or not. Don't care. I play what's fun to me, and outside SMG, Nintendo can't seem to do it for me.
 
The Crimson Kid said:
A Proper gamer, in my view, aims to seek out the best and brightest examples of pushing gaming forward. Nintendo spent most of their resources this gen treading water.

One of the worse postings in this thread.
 
Caelus said:
That's more or less a part of their childhood, to me the Pokemon show means nothing. It's just a form of marketing towards children, and to be honest Pokemon is a franchise that has some really complicated problems with its fans. You shouldn't feel frightened by them or anything, ha.

I don't really care if you despise them, but I can see your line of thinking now.

Plotline-wise, yes, but I think the battles have many interesting wrinkles that wouldn't be possible in the games.
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
First off I will admit that Nintendo is one of the best if not the best game developers in the world. The quantity of quality of games they develop and publish is insane. People may shout out Blizzard or Valve but in reality when one company is releasing an average of 2 games a year while the other is releasing 20, it isn't a fair comparison.

That being said about two years ago I left Nintendo and eventually found myself joining the ranks of Valve (Steam) and have really never looked back. Pretty much all the bullshit I complained about and more isn't present. Fantastic third party support, incredible graphics, a huge variety of games, benchmark online, frequent price marks, etc.

I left Nintendo because of their stupid bullshit. Not taking advantage of their innovative products, shit third party support, graphical technology from the decade prior to the last, not bringing their games over, and quite possibly the worst online implantation that has ever existed.

But being honest I'm not surprised. As much as everyone on this site like to convince themselves, Nintendo is in no way, shape, or form a game company dedicated to the core gamer. Stop hovering over that quote button, they never have been. Since the inception of their console business they have been a company that has been targeted to the family. Look at the NES days where they were such a strong watchdog for strong and edgy content. The Super Nintendo was infamous for being the "toy" and "the "family friendly" system, while its competitor the Sega Genesis was aggressively marketed for the then "core gamer". While Sony and SEGA were trying to target young adults, eliminate content editing, and jump onto the revolutionary "limitless" storage medium for deeper and more cinematic games, Nintendo stuck with the family and chose carts as their medium, and medium that greatly harmed games targeted toward the then "hardcore gamer". The Gamecube? Well first off it was fucking purple. It literally had no online what so ever. At least they tried to get some of the core gaming audience. Unfortunately it was handled horrendously.

Now the Wii is yet again Nintendo being Nintendo. They have gone backward since their Gamecube days of localizing. They have added online but its worse than even the fucking Dreamcast. And as with every generation core gamers complain about Nintendo's shittiness in appealing to them. The company is a family game company. With few exceptions like Metroid and Fire Emblem, a vast majority of their games are targeted toward children or casual playing adults. Just look at Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Kirby, Warioware, Pokemon, etc. These games aren't targeted to the guy who looks on Newegg to update their rig with the lastest video card. These games aren't targeted to the guy who would spend $600 on a console. These games are targeted to Jimmy the eight year old who plays PeeWee football and gets bored after school and looks for something to do. Or its made for Stacey the 33 year old single mother who wants to relax after her two children are in bed. That's who these games are targeted at, however they also appeal to a wide group of other people (which is exactly what Nintendo wants) similar to how World of Warcraft is targets 35 year old males, but also appeals to a wide range of other people. The only difference is that with Nintendo its the opposite, its casual(ish) game that appeals to everyone including core gamers, which results in that demographic being frustrated with the company due to the fact that they aren't its primary target market.

* facepalm *

So just because Nintendo is teh kiddeh in their aesthetics, lol.

Not to mention that it's because of Nintendo's sub-HD approach that they raked in the dough, and that companies like Majesco are even around right now. The HD twins have made game development stupidly expensive this gen, even for western pubs/devs. Midway is gone, Bizarre Creations is gone, it took 4 million copies for Red Dead Redemption to break even... I'm sure there's more.

The Crimson Kid said:
While I'm happy that I own a Wii, I don't think Nintendo's first party games have brought enough new to the table to be essential.

Twilight Princess just aped Ocarinia, the Galaxy games were great and had innovative level design but the gameplay was basically unchanged from SM64. Metroid 3 was awesome. Hopefully Skyward Sword proves me wrong.

If you love 2D games, Nintendo made a ton of really charming ones. But how many of these (combined, even) had as much innovation and relevance to a "proper gamer" as a Braid or an OutLand?

A Proper gamer, in my view, aims to seek out the best and brightest examples of pushing gaming forward. Nintendo spent most of their resources this gen treading water.

Sometimes refinement trumps innovation.


Agent X said:
To answer the question posed by the title: It's certainly possible. Personally, I would not (and do not) ignore Nintendo games, and I don't think anyone should deliberately go out of their way to avoid Nintendo games. However, I do think someone can have a passion for video games and have little to no contact with Nintendo.

I've seen some people express opinions where Nintendo is equated with "required reading" or that anyone who considers himself a "real gamer" must place Nintendo on a pedestal. As someone who has played video games for over three decades, and grew up with systems like the Atari 2600, I used to think the same way about Atari games. Up until the early or mid 1990s, I didn't think anyone was a "real gamer" if they didn't have at least some appreciation for Atari or their games. But as time progressed, the video game industry broadened, and there were many great and interesting new flavors of games coming from all directions. I finally realized that it's possible to have enjoy and appreciate video games without having the same passion for Atari games that I had. I think the same is true of Nintendo, or any other video game company for that matter. There are just so many sources of video games out there now, that people can find great amounts of fun that suits their personal tastes without having to be pigeon-holed into what other people feel is "required gaming".

I'd say it's because the NES was the start of gaming with depth. And I started with Intellivision and 2600 (via the system changer).

Not to say there weren't nice little experiences from the generation before.
 
cartman414 said:
* facepalm *

So just because Nintendo is teh kiddeh in their aesthetics, lol.

Not to mention that it's because of Nintendo's sub-HD approach that they raked in the dough, and that companies like Majesco are even around right now. The HD twins have made game development stupidly expensive this gen, even for western pubs/devs. Midway is gone, Bizarre Creations is gone, it took 4 million copies for Red Dead Redemption to break even... I'm sure there's more.

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_Alkaline_ said:
How can you make such a statement if you completely ignored the Wii? You said so yourself.

Quite easily as friends have wiis and the Nintendo releases, except for the Wii Play/XXX abortions. I luckily sold mine for Rock Band 2 and never regretted it once.

Metal Arms and Metroid Prime on the GC were better IMO than anything I've sampled from Nintendo on the Wii. Plain truth.

Again feel free to disagree. Unlike others, I'm not telling anyone they are wrong.
 
Hyuga said:
Not really! It's a question of taste (same with food). You like this, you hate that. So what?
A lot of gamers aren't interested in Nintendo games. They are still gamer, hardcore gamer, real gamer, proper gamer, etc. whatever!
They simply don't like it because it is not interesting for them and so it sucks.
Problem here is: A lot of Nintendo fans got butthurt, because they live in a "Nintendo games are the best. Nothing is better!!!!11" world.
Well, maybe they "believe" it. But it doesn't mean it's the truth.
This post pretty much nails it.
 
pieatorium said:
So you do game on your PC or are you disregarding it and being ignorant?

If I could afford a PC I would have one, there are countless games on the PC I would love to play.

To the other people who responded to me, I did say in my post that I understand people not wanting a Wii if they hate or have never liked any proper Mario & Zelda game.
 
The problem with the whole argument is that gaming has reached an era of post-modernism.

Essentially every genre of what could be classified as "games" has been explored completely.

Now it is a question of what you seek next.

Do you seek gameplay refinement? Novel experiences? Deeper story? LESS "game"-ness? Better graphics? More realistic graphics? Greater immersion? Less immersion? ...

A proper videogame gamer likes and regularly plays anything that at least has some traditional gameplay.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Oh no, 19 whole posts.

Why, I'm responsible for the bulk of this 1000-post thread!

You sure did catch me, beast786 and not at all look like a petty fool!
Hey. You bumped the thread. So you kept it going. Now you're at 20 posts. Way to go!
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
First off I will admit that Nintendo is one of the best if not the best game developers in the world. The quantity of quality of games they develop and publish is insane. People may shout out Blizzard or Valve but in reality when one company is releasing an average of 2 games a year while the other is releasing 20, it isn't a fair comparison.

That being said about two years ago I left Nintendo and eventually found myself joining the ranks of Valve (Steam) and have really never looked back. Pretty much all the bullshit I complained about and more isn't present. Fantastic third party support, incredible graphics, a huge variety of games, benchmark online, frequent price marks, etc.

I left Nintendo because of their stupid bullshit. Not taking advantage of their innovative products, shit third party support, graphical technology from the decade prior to the last, not bringing their games over, and quite possibly the worst online implantation that has ever existed.

But being honest I'm not surprised. As much as everyone on this site like to convince themselves, Nintendo is in no way, shape, or form a game company dedicated to the core gamer. Stop hovering over that quote button, they never have been. Since the inception of their console business they have been a company that has been targeted to the family. Look at the NES days where they were such a strong watchdog for strong and edgy content. The Super Nintendo was infamous for being the "toy" and "the "family friendly" system, while its competitor the Sega Genesis was aggressively marketed for the then "core gamer". While Sony and SEGA were trying to target young adults, eliminate content editing, and jump onto the revolutionary "limitless" storage medium for deeper and more cinematic games, Nintendo stuck with the family and chose carts as their medium, and medium that greatly harmed games targeted toward the then "hardcore gamer". The Gamecube? Well first off it was fucking purple. It literally had no online what so ever. At least they tried to get some of the core gaming audience. Unfortunately it was handled horrendously.

Now the Wii is yet again Nintendo being Nintendo. They have gone backward since their Gamecube days of localizing. They have added online but its worse than even the fucking Dreamcast. And as with every generation core gamers complain about Nintendo's shittiness in appealing to them. The company is a family game company. With few exceptions like Metroid and Fire Emblem, a vast majority of their games are targeted toward children or casual playing adults. Just look at Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Kirby, Warioware, Pokemon, etc. These games aren't targeted to the guy who looks on Newegg to update their rig with the lastest video card. These games aren't targeted to the guy who would spend $600 on a console. These games are targeted to Jimmy the eight year old who plays PeeWee football and gets bored after school and looks for something to do. Or its made for Stacey the 33 year old single mother who wants to relax after her two children are in bed. That's who these games are targeted at, however they also appeal to a wide group of other people (which is exactly what Nintendo wants) similar to how World of Warcraft is targets 35 year old males, but also appeals to a wide range of other people. The only difference is that with Nintendo its the opposite, its casual(ish) game that appeals to everyone including core gamers, which results in that demographic being frustrated with the company due to the fact that they aren't its primary target market.

lol

I love these dramatic stories of "leaving the old days behind and moving on to better pastures" when they come in videogame form, from hardcore gamers
 
cartman414 said:
Not to mention that it's because of Nintendo's sub-HD approach that they raked in the dough, and that companies like Majesco are even around right now. The HD twins have made game development stupidly expensive this gen, even for western pubs/devs. Midway is gone, Bizarre Creations is gone, it took 4 million copies for Red Dead Redemption to break even... I'm sure there's more.


Nintendo's biggest error this gen was not buying/hiring staff from the studios that shut down, they clearly knew studios would shut this gen & would have helped them hi the ground running with HD content for the Wii U.

Problem here is: A lot of Nintendo fans got butthurt, because they live in a "Nintendo games are the best. Nothing is better!!!!11" world.

Not really, the problem is the accusation usually thrown at Nintendo is that they just milk their main franchises, which is the exact same thing every publisher does ( 3 FPS Halo games, 3 Uncharted/Resistance games, COD every year, the milking of GH/RB etc.) in fact it could be argued that Nintendo do it far less than the other publishers.
 
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