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Can I print you a steak good sir?

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haxan7

Banned
I’m skeptical they’d be any good. Impossible burgers are passable because they’re imitating a mince meat. Engineering a slab of steak from plants would have to be much more advanced.

I want to see guga’s verdict
 
Might as well just eat a real steak instead of this lab grown chemical bullshit then.
If that would be my contribution to shut up the environmental hysteric crowd, I'd do it happily.

But, like I said, I don't believe it will taste and feel anything like a real steak (yet).
 

Cato

Banned
If it looks like a steak and tastes like a steak, what's not to like?

But it doesn't taste like a steak.
Remember when Sergei Brin spent 250k$ USD on a plant based burger. He didn't finish it and he didn't order another one, ever.

Only place where these plant based burgers can work are in fast food burger joints where people don't care about the consistency and everything is so covered in salt, sugar and twice as much bbq sausce than actual burger so you are basically just eating a
kind of sponge holding the bbq sause into shape.
 
But it doesn't taste like a steak.
Remember when Sergei Brin spent 250k$ USD on a plant based burger. He didn't finish it and he didn't order another one, ever.

Only place where these plant based burgers can work are in fast food burger joints where people don't care about the consistency and everything is so covered in salt, sugar and twice as much bbq sausce than actual burger so you are basically just eating a
kind of sponge holding the bbq sause into shape.
That's not my point here. I even said, that I don't think it will taste like a real steak.

The question is, would you prefer the real steak, If it would be virtually the same on all accounts as the plant based one.

I'd go for the plant based one in that case.

But I don't see that happen for the next ten to fifteen years.
But I'd be pleasantly surprised if I am wrong here..
 
That's not my point here. I even said, that I don't think it will taste like a real steak.

The question is, would you prefer the real steak, If it would be virtually the same on all accounts as the plant based one.

I'd go for the plant based one in that case.

But I don't see that happen for the next ten to fifteen years.
But I'd be pleasantly surprised if I am wrong here..

If they tasted the same and had identical textures I'd still eat the single ingredient food and if given the chance toss the fake meat in the trash where it probably should be.

Steak: Ingredients: Cow

Fake plant-based steak: Ingredients: Just use the periodic table as a dart board.

The problem is that to be called "plant-based" they don't really need a lot of plant in them, or really any actual plant, just something that originated from a plant. A lot of the plant matter in these foods is extruded from plants using other chemicals in the process. Many plant-based ingredients are also bleached so they can be re-dyed in a more visually pleasing color.

In order to make them taste anything like meat, they pump them full of chemicals like estrogen (enjoy growing man tits), erythrosine (red #3 used in industrial paint, banned in cosmetics, but not in fake meat yet), propylene glycol (used in e-cigs and antifreeze), ferric orthophosphate (used in commercial pesticides), magnesium carbonate (used in flooring), tertiary butylhydroquinone (tied to cancer), Yellow die #6 (known carcinogen, used in industrial paint), Monocalcium Phosphate (used in commercial fertilizers), methylcellulose (laxative), dipotassium phosphate (used in commercial fertilizer), potassium chloride (used in commercial fertilizer), titanium dioxide (hiding agent for white paint), hexane (a recognized neuro-toxin), lots and lots of sodium and lots of processed sugars. Even "natural flavors" only means they extracted naturally occurring chemicals for flavoring, and many naturally occurring chemicals are toxic.

A lot of the ingredients in many of the plant-based foods I see all the time on products I use at work for painting and paint stripping. Basically every single product I use at work is a carcinogen but the law requires my workplace provides me with appropriate PPE including heavy rubber gloves, full-face carbon filtered masks or a positive pressure hood with an outside air source and a polyester paint suit. I don't even want these chemicals touching my skin but people are now eating shit made almost entirely of them because "it's just like the real thing" and some people feel bad about being an omnivore.

Do I want to eat a steak, or do I want to eat a pile of shit that will likely cause cancer? After watching my Dad wither and die from it, it's a future I'm actively trying to avoid and I would like others to avoid too, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I'd much rather just die a quick death from a heart attack sitting on the toilet (he died peacefully in his sleep) like people used to.

Read through some of the items on cleanfoodfacts. The site lists ingredients for many plant-based items with descriptions of what the chemicals used actually are and other uses for them.

Obviously it's impossible to avoid a lot of these questionable ingredients as they're in almost everything in some fashion along with hormones and preservatives, but single ingredient foods will have much, much less of them. It's easy to buy single ingredient foods over processed if given the choice and even easier to find over plant-based meat substitutes. Grocers always have actual meat, actual fruits and actual vegetables. The big problem now is what people eat is now a political thing, with pressure being put on sensitive people to abandon natural foods in favor of hyper-processed substitutes. I just don't like the idea of eating the same thing I just sprayed on structural steel to protect it for 50 years, that can't be good for me.
 
If they tasted the same and had identical textures I'd still eat the single ingredient food and if given the chance toss the fake meat in the trash where it probably should be.

Steak: Ingredients: Cow

Fake plant-based steak: Ingredients: Just use the periodic table as a dart board.

The problem is that to be called "plant-based" they don't really need a lot of plant in them, or really any actual plant, just something that originated from a plant. A lot of the plant matter in these foods is extruded from plants using other chemicals in the process. Many plant-based ingredients are also bleached so they can be re-dyed in a more visually pleasing color.

In order to make them taste anything like meat, they pump them full of chemicals like estrogen (enjoy growing man tits), erythrosine (red #3 used in industrial paint, banned in cosmetics, but not in fake meat yet), propylene glycol (used in e-cigs and antifreeze), ferric orthophosphate (used in commercial pesticides), magnesium carbonate (used in flooring), tertiary butylhydroquinone (tied to cancer), Yellow die #6 (known carcinogen, used in industrial paint), Monocalcium Phosphate (used in commercial fertilizers), methylcellulose (laxative), dipotassium phosphate (used in commercial fertilizer), potassium chloride (used in commercial fertilizer), titanium dioxide (hiding agent for white paint), hexane (a recognized neuro-toxin), lots and lots of sodium and lots of processed sugars. Even "natural flavors" only means they extracted naturally occurring chemicals for flavoring, and many naturally occurring chemicals are toxic.

A lot of the ingredients in many of the plant-based foods I see all the time on products I use at work for painting and paint stripping. Basically every single product I use at work is a carcinogen but the law requires my workplace provides me with appropriate PPE including heavy rubber gloves, full-face carbon filtered masks or a positive pressure hood with an outside air source and a polyester paint suit. I don't even want these chemicals touching my skin but people are now eating shit made almost entirely of them because "it's just like the real thing" and some people feel bad about being an omnivore.

Do I want to eat a steak, or do I want to eat a pile of shit that will likely cause cancer? After watching my Dad wither and die from it, it's a future I'm actively trying to avoid and I would like others to avoid too, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I'd much rather just die a quick death from a heart attack sitting on the toilet (he died peacefully in his sleep) like people used to.

Read through some of the items on cleanfoodfacts. The site lists ingredients for many plant-based items with descriptions of what the chemicals used actually are and other uses for them.

Obviously it's impossible to avoid a lot of these questionable ingredients as they're in almost everything in some fashion along with hormones and preservatives, but single ingredient foods will have much, much less of them. It's easy to buy single ingredient foods over processed if given the choice and even easier to find over plant-based meat substitutes. Grocers always have actual meat, actual fruits and actual vegetables. The big problem now is what people eat is now a political thing, with pressure being put on sensitive people to abandon natural foods in favor of hyper-processed substitutes. I just don't like the idea of eating the same thing I just sprayed on structural steel to protect it for 50 years, that can't be good for me.
Mate, those are really some good and valid points.
I think you convinced me.
 
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