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[Silexx]

For anyone watching, CPAC has a translation free and far superior stream to the Livestream one.

Yep. http://www.cpac.ca/en/vote2015/#

 

[Silexx]

damn tranlsator,


im bilingual. i dont want a translation

The CPAC link has floor audio.

 

[lupinko]

I just listened to the Trudeau sound clip on citizenship

Harper wins election, game over. See you October 19

Wait what did he say? I'm at work (and on the other side of the pacific).

 

[Walpurgis]

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/vanishing-canada-why-were-all-losers-in-ottawas-war-on-data/

Infuriating, this issue isn't getting nearly enough attention from the media

Yeah, my analytical chemistry professor actually lost his job as a government scientist a few years ago. He didn't get into the details about it but it was clear that he was not happy about it. I just sat there with one ugly face in my mind.

 

[Walpurgis]

No change. Voting system reform, no matter where it's done, is pretty much a one time deal for a long time. Either a new system sticks, or it gets rolled back to the old one and that's it for a generation. No where has a voting system been changed and, if people aren't happy with the new one, changed to a third system, it's always been back to the old system and that's the issue dead. The same would happen with any move to AV.

Add to that that there is a lot of misunderstanding, both genuine and malicious, that conflates AV/IRV with PR. It takes a little bit of digging into how the system works to realize that in the vast majority of cases the same damn people get elected and AV gives an unfair advantage to the same parties as FPTP (namely big tent and regional protest. Suffer the widely but shallowly supported Greens and PCs) . Not only is it a sham reform it's a sham reform that masquerades as real reform incredibly effectively.

This is my fear as well. I know that structural changes like this are very slow moving and take a long time to build up. If we blow our load on another bad system, it will be a very long time before we have the will built up to change it again. I actually didn't know that other countries went back to their old systems when their new ones turned out bad. Sounds like it's now or after I'm dead. For this reason, I will say that I would rather have a CPC minority than an LPC minority. I'm going to wash my tongue now.

Wait what did he say? I'm at work (and on the other side of the pacific).

It was mentioned earlier in the thread. I believe he said that he is against revoking citizenship for terrorists. Obviously, that's not a bad thing but when the idiots hear about it, they'll eat him alive.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Wait what did he say? I'm at work (and on the other side of the pacific).

Presumably something in favour of minority rights.

Is anyone watching the debate? I won't be near a TV for half an hour, and I'm eager to see it.

 

[killer rin]

Presumably something in favour of minority rights.

Is anyone watching the debate? I won't be near a TV for half an hour, and I'm eager to see it.

Well, its surprisingly civil so far... I think we can chop that down to the moderator though

 

[Boogie]

Presumably something in favour of minority rights.

Is anyone watching the debate? I won't be near a TV for half an hour, and I'm eager to see it.

I'm watching.

Doesn't feel like there's much worth commenting on so far.

 

[gutter_trash]

Wait what did he say? I'm at work (and on the other side of the pacific).

in june or july, he carelessly said that Canadian terrorists should not lose their citezenship.


but FFW.

Trudeau is doing really good on today's debate. the bigger the crowd, the better he gets

 

[TheStruggler]

anyone know channel of debate for winnipeg shaw?

 

[mo60]

This debate seems to be way better than the last few debates.Trudeau's starting to break the munk debate rules now, but he's not as annoying as the last few debates.

 

[mo60]

anyone know channel of debate for winnipeg shaw?

125.

 

[Boogie]

This debate seems to be way better than the last few debates.Trudeau's starting to break the munk debate rules now.

Yeah. I think having a live audience helps as well.

 

[Tiktaalik]

lol the debate is already on? No one cares about the Pacific Time Zone.. :\

 

[TheStruggler]

this debate in french?

 

[gutter_trash]

this debate in french?

both

 

[mo60]

this debate in french?

Both english and french.

 

[lupinko]

in june or july, he carelessly said that Canadian terrorists should not lose their citezenship.


but FFW.

Trudeau is doing really good on today's debate. the bigger the crowd, the better he gets

I don't think they should lose their citizenship either. Life in prison with no parole is already the best punishment.

I don't see the US stripping their home grown terrorists of their citizenships, and they're the ones that Canada pokes the most fun at for throwing rights away, which is ironic in this case.

Saying Justin is wrong on that is supporting C-24 which again is a completely abhorrent law.

 

[gutter_trash]

i think tonight Justin has chenneled the litte bit of Pierre Elitott inside him needed to clinch the win

 

[Walpurgis]

Can't watch right now but I can't wait when they bring up Saudi Arabia. Harper giving money to Muslims, if worded the right way, could hurt him.

 

[Boogie]

The crowd getting a little too clap-happy.

Life in prison with no parole is already the best punishment.

We don't have life with no parole.

 

[lupinko]

Can't watch right now but I can't wait when they bring up Saudi Arabia. Harper giving money to Muslims, if worded the right way, could hurt him.

Yeah that is still dog-whistle hate politics that I don't approve of even though I am damn opposed to the Harper Government.

 

[mo60]

Mulcair just ripped harper to shreds for talking about how the other political parties are using the refugee crisis for political points and trudeau just invoked Pierre Trudeau.

 

[killer rin]

Oh shit, Trudeau is finally defending his father

 

[Fuzzy]

Trudeau should've dropped the mic on that one. :lol

 

[gutter_trash]

Justin countering Mulcair's cheap shots at Pierre Trudeau.

knock out

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Oh shit, Trudeau is finally defending his father

It's been getting kinda ridiculous the way they keep drudging up Trudeau Sr.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Trudeau is pissed. Too bad it's not against Harper.

 

[Parch]

Aww. A daddy moment. How cute. Liberals living in the past.

 

[mo60]

I wish trudeau would stop interrupting the other people speaking.

 

[Boogie]

Trudeau seems to be the only one talking over the other candidates.

 

[Simon Belmont]

I wish trudeau would stop interrupting the other people speaking.

That's exactly how he'd handle Putin. Not let him get a word in edgewise.

 

[Boogie]

Has Harper managed to disappear again?

 

[Apathy]

Man harper just has to be quiet and let the ndp and libs go at each other

 

[gutter_trash]

Has Harper managed to disappear again?

"let them fight"

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Harper looked very happy to hear these two argue with each other.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Trudeau seems to be the only one talking over the other candidates.

It's his strategy. Not many people are watching, but lots will see clips later. If he can have a memorable exchange (instead of the other guys getting straight applause lines), it's to his benefit.

 

[killer rin]

Harper looked very happy to hear these two argue with each other.

Isn't that just because the moderator said "Muclair have a discussion with Justin"? Harper isn't allowed to talk right now

 

[DrEvil]

Why is mulcair speaking exclusively in French?

 

[gutter_trash]

notice Tom switch to Angry Tom in French then revert back to creepy smiley Tom in English

 

[Silexx]

Looks like Muclair is trying to bring up as much as he can what propelled his party in the lead the first time around.

 

[killer rin]

Fuck fuck fuck...Dont do it Justin, dont do it. Don't take the bait.

... He took it

 

[SRG01]

No, don't shy away from it! Take a stand on this issue.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Trudeau is 100% right, about fucking time.

 

[SRG01]

YES, he called out politics of fear.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Expected Angry Tom, got Angry Justin. Not really disappointed.

 

[mo60]

Trudeau seriously should let other people speak.It's starting to aggravate me a bit.

 

[gutter_trash]

look! in english... creepy smile

 

[SRG01]

Oh God creepy smile Mulcair

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Trudeau seriously should let other people speak.It's starting to aggravate me a bit.

Fuck that c-24 deserves the most angry of responses.