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[gutter_trash]

that Australian consultant is really doing his job getting the Cons to win on a dirty campaign

 

[killer rin]

The NDP is gonna need a lot more like this if they're going to turn this thing around and win back the "Change" voter.

Holy shit, a promise that would actually effect me in a positive way.

 

[killer_clank]

that Australian consultant is really doing his job getting the Cons to win on a dirty campaign

from the UK here, is that Lynton Crosby? He did the same thing with our conservatives. he was a master at getting the right message to the right voter at the right time.

 

[gutter_trash]

from the UK here, is that Lynton Crosby? He did the same thing with our conservatives. he was a master at getting the right message to the right voter at the right time.

that very same one, it's like the UK-Australia-Canada trinity of Conservatives are coordinating together throughout the Commonwealth

 

[Parch]

More about Quebec and Niqab.
A local poll asked: Is the Niqab issue important?

Were other provinces asked the same question?
Those Quebec results are just... I don't know, unbelievably depressing? I really don't know what to say.

 

[CitizenVectron]

The key to winning elections is to lie and sling mud now, and apologize/correct later once you've won. It's something the Liberals and NDP have failed to really learn to do.

 

[Divvy]

I agree. A primary problem is ignorance of the issues and what is being discussed. The Conservative soundbites on the niqab and stripping citizenship from terrorists appears reasonable at immediate first glance without the background details. Only after a bit of thought on the issue do the many problems become apparent. For this reason I think we see the high support. Voters are giving their immediate knee jerk reactions, but haven't really internalized the issue and developed a real opinion on it yet.

Similarly the immediate reactions to C-51 were super positive. Only after some thought and community discussion did Canadians turn against it.

My hope is that there's still enough time in the campaign for voters to fully think through what the Conservatives are proposing and will ultimately reject it.

Yeah this is exactly it. This is what happens when people who don't have their views and prejudices challenged grow very comfortable with with their biases. They get all too eager to punish the boogeyman, without giving any thought to how it affects actual people.

Like, I just want to ask them what value is there at all in making a woman choose between her country and her religion/culture/family

 

[Walpurgis]

The NDP is gonna need a lot more like this if they're going to turn this thing around and win back the "Change" voter.

Yes, we need more of this.

from the UK here, is that Lynton Crosby? He did the same thing with our conservatives. he was a master at getting the right message to the right voter at the right time.

The man is a monster.

 

[Tiktaalik]

wow fuck jason kenny

Kenney dismisses Nenshi's blast at Tories over niqab issue

Jason Kenney is dismissing Mayor Naheed Nenshi’s blistering attack on the Conservatives’ handling of the niqab issue during the federal election campaign.

In an interview Wednesday with radio host Evan Solomon, Nenshi — Canada’s first Muslim big-city mayor — blasted the Tories for the federal government’s fight against a handful of Islamic women wearing the niqab face covering during citizenship ceremonies.

Calgary’s mayor argues that it’s a “dangerous,” politically-motived game that is wasting taxpayers’ money.

But Kenney, the Conservative cabinet minister from Calgary who introduced the niqab ban, denied the Tories are seeking to gain political advantage from the issue.

“If anything’s dangerous, it would be legitimizing a medieval tribal custom that treats women as property rather than people,” Kenney, currently running for re-election in Calgary Midnapore, said in an interview Thursday.

“It seems to me that it’s the mayor and people like him who are politicizing it. I don’t think this should be an issue of contention.”

The Conservatives point to surveys showing public support for banning the niqab in citizenship ceremonies and they have jumped in the polls since the issue became prominent during the campaign, which will see voters cast their ballots on Oct. 19.

Kenney, who is currently defence minister, said Nenshi’s comments would have no impact on the campaign, either nationally or in Calgary.

And he said it would have no affect on his working relationship with Calgary’s mayor moving forward.

“We’re all used to Naheed’s running social commentary on everything. That’s nothing new,” said Kenney.

...

 

[Annubis]

Were other provinces asked the same question?
Those Quebec results are just... I don't know, unbelievably depressing? I really don't know what to say.

The poll I saw was only for Quebec.

 

[CitizenVectron]

“It seems to me that it’s the mayor and people like him who are politicizing it.

.

 

[Vamphuntr]

If the situation doesn't improve Mulcair is definitely done as the NDP leader. CPC is now at 40% in Ontario according to the new Angus Reid. Wow.

 

[Guesong]

At this point I am hoping for some huge fuck-up concerning the TPT (or whatever the farmer/milk/thing deal is) so that rural Ontario riots.

Ugh.

 

[DreamMachine]

If the situation doesn't improve Mulcair is definitely done as the NDP leader. CPC is now at 40% in Ontario according to the new Angus Reid. Wow.

Yup, were fucked looks like harper majority is close to a reality.

with only two weeks to go chances to turn this around isn't looking likely.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Someone please bring this up in the next Quebec debate

Une femme voilée et enceinte agressée par deux ados

Deux adolescents auraient fait chuter une femme enceinte en arrachant son hijab à Anjou mardi, dans ce qui pourrait s’apparenter à un acte islamophobe, selon le mari de la victime.

«Ma femme a peur de sortir dans la rue depuis. Elle est triste et elle pleure», a déploré hier Abdelhafid Ben Bellil, le mari de la victime. Trop bouleversée pour témoigner, cette dernière a préféré ne pas parler au Journal hier.

Oumessad Khoufache, 31 ans, allait chercher sa fille à l’école, à quelques coins de rue de son domicile, quand deux jeunes d’environ 15 ou 16 ans qui circulaient à vélo se sont approchés d’elle.

Les deux adolescents auraient alors arraché le voile que portait Mme Khoufache, qui est enceinte de quatre mois. Déséquilibrée, elle serait tombée au sol sur le côté de son corps.

«Quand elle m’a appelé, elle était incapable de parler», a raconté son époux.

...

 

[gutter_trash]

shit, that's edging majority territory

wow Ontario, Ford Nation is really having their revenge

 

[p_xavier]

I didn't say 44% of Quebecers (Quebecois?) are racist, that's way too much of a simplification of the issue. I'm saying that Quebec seems to still have a big issue with racism.

Quebecers are anti-religion, not racists.

 

[pr0cs]

It's way too early to make any inferences to who will win. It's funny how this thread, day to day is "the sky is falling "..."I'm happy "....."the world is ending "....depending on what page you're reading

 

[Walpurgis]

wow fuck jason kenny

Whoa. What a dick.

 

[gutter_trash]

there is still 18 days left, this is probably the Conservative's peaking time and may subside by Election Day

but they will return to power, it's just up to the rest to make sure it's a minority

 

[Walpurgis]

Someone please bring this up in the next Quebec debate

Une femme voilée et enceinte agressée par deux ados

A veiled pregnant woman and assaulted by two teenagers

Two teenagers have driven down a pregnant woman tearing her hijab in Anjou Tuesday in what could be likened to an Islamophobic act as the husband of the victim.

"My wife was afraid to go out on the streets since . It is sad and she cries , "lamented yesterday Abdelhafid Ben Bellil , the husband of the victim. Too upset to testify, the latter preferred not to talk to the Journal yesterday.

Oumessad Khoufache , 31, went to get his daughter to school , a few blocks from his home when two youths of 15 or 16 who were traveling by bicycle approached her.

The two teenagers would then ripped the veil worn by Ms. Khoufache , which is four months pregnant . Unbalanced , she would have fallen to the ground on the side of his body.

"When she called me , she was unable to speak ," he told her husband.

Good god. I hope the baby is okay. I've only read about this happening in France. It's sad to see it in Canada too.

 

[DreamMachine]

It's way too early to make any inferences to who will win. It's funny how this thread, day to day is "the sky is falling "..."I'm happy "....."the world is ending "....depending on what page you're reading

polls do that I guess

 

[GSG Flash]

This niqab issue really needs to be killed, it seems like it's single handedly going to give the Cons the election :/

Also, the Lib's and NDP have been oddly silent on Harper's support for Saudi Arabia:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-saudi-arabia-neil-macdonald-1.3251239

You know, the same country that treats its women like objects as Kenney was referring to.

The opposition parties are totally incompetent in their attacks. They let the Mike Duffy issue simmer down while the Conservatives have somehow managed to keep this stupid niqab issue in the news for weeks, and now they're totally ignoring the fact that Harper called a barbaric medieval women-hating state an ally.

 

[Walpurgis]

This niqab issue really needs to be killed, it seems like it's single handedly going to give the Con's the election :/

Also, the Lib's and NDP have been oddly silent on Harper's support for Saudi Arabia:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-saudi-arabia-neil-macdonald-1.3251239

You know, the same country that treats its women like objects as Kenney was referring to.

The opposition parties are totally incompetent in their attacks. They let the Mike Duffy issue simmer down while the Conservatives have somehow managed to keep this stupid niqab issue in the news for weeks, and now they're totally ignoring the fact that Harper called a barbaric medieval women-hating state an ally.

Maybe they are saving it for closer to the election. It's clear that the niqab issue has staying power but there is no guarantee that the Saudi Arabia issue would as well. Another possibility is that the opposition parties intend to continue our relationship with Saudi Arabia and don't want to burn any bridges. I hope that's not the case.

 

[Parch]

Quebecers are anti-religion, not racists.

Quebec has the highest percentage of religious people of any province. Lots of catholics.
BC and Alberta have the highest percentage of people who consider themselves non-religious or athiest.

 

[gutter_trash]

Quebec has the highest percentage of religious people of any province. Lots of catholics.
BC and Alberta have the highest percentage of people who consider themselves non-religious or athiest.

LOL. Quebec has the biggest proportion of atheists in Canada

yeah you have a some that are still Catholic religiously or culturally but compared to Ontario or Alberta? Alberta has a huge amount of protestants, evangelicals. Ontario has tons of minorities who are more religious

Ontario is the Province where there is a huge pushback against sex-ed in schools due to religious beliefs, not Quebec

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Quebec has the highest percentage of religious people of any province. Lots of catholics.
BC and Alberta have the highest percentage of people who consider themselves non-religious or athiest.

Source?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

This niqab issue really needs to be killed, it seems like it's single handedly going to give the Cons the election :/

Also, the Lib's and NDP have been oddly silent on Harper's support for Saudi Arabia:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-saudi-arabia-neil-macdonald-1.3251239

You know, the same country that treats its women like objects as Kenney was referring to.

The opposition parties are totally incompetent in their attacks. They let the Mike Duffy issue simmer down while the Conservatives have somehow managed to keep this stupid niqab issue in the news for weeks, and now they're totally ignoring the fact that Harper called a barbaric medieval women-hating state an ally.

Yep the Liberals and NDP need to fight dirty. The provincial NDP lost in BC because the Liberals slung so much mud at them while they were content with their lead in the polls and running a "positive" campaign.

The NDP parody of the "just not ready" ads is cute, but doesn't get the message across. Corruption, criminal investigations, bribery, robocalls, recession. All key talking points, all fallen by the wayside. Hammer them.

The Liberals, too. Trudeau is telling us about "real change", but why not stoop to the Conservatives' level and mention all the scandals that have happened? Use the "R" word. The Conservatives have used the "D" word (deficit) to greater effect when attacking Trudeau.

 

[Walpurgis]

Yep the Liberals and NDP need to fight dirty. The provincial NDP lost in BC because the Liberals slung so much mud at them while they were content with their lead in the polls and running a "positive" campaign.

The NDP parody of the "just not ready" ads is cute, but doesn't get the message across. Corruption, criminal investigations, bribery, robocalls, recession. All key talking points, all fallen by the wayside. Hammer them.

The Liberals, too. Trudeau is telling us about "real change", but why not stoop to the Conservatives' level and mention all the scandals that have happened? Use the "R" word. The Conservatives have used the "D" word (deficit) to greater effect when attacking Trudeau.

The NDP or Liberals really should have hired that Aussie.

 

[Parch]

That wasn't my opinion. I was basing it on this link based on census results...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Canada

Percentage of Canadians who consider themselves non-religious
44.13% BC
31.56% Alberta
12.12% Quebec

I wasn't completely correct. Newfoundland is the only province that has a smaller percentage than Quebec.

 

[SickBoy]

Re: The niqab poll question....

The optimistic view would be that a decently sized subset of that 44% believe it's important because it's an issue that's dangling over Canada and needs to be put to bed.

The realistic view is... well, different.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

That wasn't my opinion. I was basing it on this link based on census results...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Canada

Percentage of Canadians who consider themselves non-religious
44.13% BC
31.56% Alberta
12.12% Quebec

Thanks!

 

[Walpurgis]

That wasn't my opinion. I was basing it on this link based on census results...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Canada

Percentage of Canadians who consider themselves non-religious
44.13% BC
31.56% Alberta
12.12% Quebec

I wasn't completely correct. Newfoundland is the only province that has a smaller percentage than Quebec.

Huh. This is not what I expected at all. I always figured that most of Quebec identified as atheist.

 

[Bisnic]

That wasn't my opinion. I was basing it on this link based on census results...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Canada

Percentage of Canadians who consider themselves non-religious
44.13% BC
31.56% Alberta
12.12% Quebec

I wasn't completely correct. Newfoundland is the only province that has a smaller percentage than Quebec.

Living in Quebec my whole life, I never got the impression that only 12% of us were considered non-religious. Like, no one goes to church except the elderly and the rare extra religious type anymore(from what I gathered, could be wrong). No one I know talks about God or Jesus or prayers or whatever.

I'm going to assume that a high percentage of that 82% Quebec christians barely practice their religion at all.

 

[capitalCORN]

Living in Quebec my whole life, I never got the impression that only 12% of us were considered non-religious. Like, no one goes to church except the elderly and the rare extra religious type anymore(from what I gathered, could be wrong). No one I know talks about God or Jesus or prayers or whatever.

I'm going to assume that a high percentage of that 82% Quebec christians barely practice their religion at all.

Except for the fact that Montreal is dead on Sundays.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Quebec has the highest percentage of religious people of any province. Lots of catholics.
BC and Alberta have the highest percentage of people who consider themselves non-religious or athiest.

According to the census I am probably a Catholic, because I was baptized and never went out of my way to get excommunicated.
Churches are on a steady decline in Québec and are almost only attended by old folks in rural areas.

Living in Quebec my whole life, I never got the impression that only 12% of us were considered non-religious. Like, no one goes to church except the elderly and the rare extra religious type anymore(from what I gathered, could be wrong). No one I know talks about God or Jesus or prayers or whatever.

I'm going to assume that a high percentage of that 82% Quebec christians barely practice their religion at all.

Yup, same.

Except for the fact that Montreal is dead on Sundays.

What do you mean?

 

[maharg]

According to the census I am probably a Catholic, because I was baptized and never went out of my way to get excommunicated.
Churches are on a steady decline in Québec and are almost only attended by old folks in rural areas.

The census isn't based on church records, it's based on self-reporting.

I hope you guys don't think lack of church attendance is some kind of uniquely québécois phenomenon.

 

[lamaroo]

A lot of them are affiliated with this church:

 

[Bisnic]

A lot of them are affiliated with this church:

Pff, that church is outdated.

All hail Centre Videotron, our new flying saucer church. Just wait until a NHL team gets in there.(one day...)

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

The NDP or Liberals really should have hired that Aussie.

This reminded me of the PC's attack ads in 1993 that focused on Chretien's face, producing a ton of backlash.

The decision to launch the ads was taken mainly by PC campaign director John Tory along with Allan Gregg, a pollster who was one of the top campaign managers.

That's current Toronto mayor John Tory.

 

[p_xavier]

Quebec has the highest percentage of religious people of any province. Lots of catholics.
BC and Alberta have the highest percentage of people who consider themselves non-religious or athiest.

I'm amazed at this statistic. Maybe it's because people were brought to be catholics but are not anymore?

 

[p_xavier]

Except for the fact that Montreal is dead on Sundays.

It's dead because of Tout le monde en parle. Many restaurants are closed on Sundays because of that.

 

[matthewwhatever]

wow fuck jason kenny

Not literally, because he's the walking stereotype of an angry neckbeard virgin, but in the metaphorical sense, absolutely.

Though Pierre Poilievre is, unsurprisingly, giving him a run for his money: Poilievre won’t rule out ban on face coverings in public service

On a totally unrelated note, this is the group of Conservative candidates who are suddenly super-concerned about protecting women from the evils of religion or something:

#thisiswhatafeministlookslike

Thank goodness there are no real issues to be concerned abou -- wait, what's that RBC?

RBC Manufacturing Survey Finds ‘Sharpest Deterioration In Business Conditions' In Its History

These next 18 days are going to get really ugly, I'm afraid.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Wow look at that sea of parking. I thought building a sports complex out in the suburbs was a discredited idea at this point.

 

[gutter_trash]

that Australian campaign advisor

 

[killer rin]

Power & Politics: Revoking Canadian citizenship

Hoooly shit. Where do the Conservatives find these people. Watching on Power and Politics and pretty much he is just openly lying through his teeth. He's asked about Harper revoking the the citizenship of the Toronto 18 guy, and he is saying "Whose revoking whose citizenship? We're not. The NDP and Liberals are fear mongering and want to release all the terrorists into the wild"

 

[Walpurgis]

This reminded me of the PC's attack ads in 1993 that focused on Chretien's face, producing a ton of backlash.



That's current Toronto mayor John Tory.

Speaking of Jean Chretien's face. When my older sister was a toddler, half her face went numb. My mom was devastated and collapsed on the ground in tears. My dad curiously walked up to her and was like "What's wrong? She looks just like the Prime Minister." My mom wanted to kill him then.

My mom really hated that face so she took my sister to the doctor; they said that there was nothing they could do. So she started asking around and heard of a Chinese guy outside Ottawa or something and had my uncle drive her a few hours to see him. He said that he knew of a fix but couldn't do it because it was illegal (it was something to do with a massive needle that might cause an infection). She went home with nothing.

At a loss, she called an Imam to read Quran for her. The Imam stepped inside the house and took one look at my sister and said something like "This is the child you want me to help? She looks like a monster]!" (translating - it was something along those lines and would sound a lot ruder in English. anyway, it's a lot funnier in the original language). He ran out of the house.

Somewhere down the line, my mom met a butcher who knew what to do. All it took was some yellow-brown hard cube thing that I think is used for tea and some cream. The cube was placed inside the cheek of the numb side and the cream was rubbed on the outside of the cheek. My sister slept with it and woke up with a normal face.

Chretien must have had a hard life.

 

[Sakura]

Speaking of this, there aren't as many signs in Edmonton as compared to previous elections... it's almost eerie.

See tons of NDP signs and Liberal signs here. Hell, there is an NDP sign on my front lawn. But maybe because it is a Conservative riding those parties put a bit more effort.

Welp, its over. Time to pack our bags guys. Conservatives are coming out of this with another Majority.

Very doubtful it would be a majority. Conservative minority seems likely to me.

Living in Quebec my whole life, I never got the impression that only 12% of us were considered non-religious. Like, no one goes to church except the elderly and the rare extra religious type anymore(from what I gathered, could be wrong). No one I know talks about God or Jesus or prayers or whatever.

I'm going to assume that a high percentage of that 82% Quebec christians barely practice their religion at all.

But it's the same in the other provinces too, but even less religious.
And you say no one goes to church but the elderly... but that can still be quite a lot of people.
For example, in Quebec, the median age I believe is 42. That means 50% of the population of Quebec is over the age of 42.

 

[Annubis]

For example, in Quebec, the median age I believe is 42. That means 50% of the population of Quebec is over the age of 42.

The baby boomer generation hurts progress so much =/

 

[Mailbox]

I feel like as this election gets closer, my hope for Canada's recovery as a country (in pretty much all aspects) is lessening.

We're fucked aren't we?

Normally I'm a huge pessimist, but I hope to hell in wrong about this.