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[RC]

On the west coast, dippers are referred to as people from the Indian subcontinent who are "fresh off the boat."

I had no idea it referred to anything else until this thread.

 

[CitizenVectron]

now you are changing the subject on the disparity between services provided from one Province to another.

But that's my point, it's the reality of our country, that everyone is not equal. It's fine for you or anyone else to want them to be equal, but a federal party can do nothing about that.

 

[pr0cs]

On the west coast, dippers are referred to as people from the Indian subcontinent who are "fresh off the boat."

I had no idea it referred to anything else until this thread.

It's a rewording of DPers.
DP =displaced person

 

[Willectro]

When the Conservatives win, it's all the Liberals fault. The NDP were the opposition party so it was supposed to be their turn. A Liberal vote is a vote to keep the Conservatives in power.

/bitter rant.

I'd say it's the NDP's fault for running an out of touch old man who can't keep his stupid fucking bullshit straight. NDP supporters can't seem to forget about Layton and/or like the colour orange. It boggles my mind that anyone thinks NDP is even an option at this point.

You know Gutter, I really have to ask. Why are you so unflinchingly Liberal? I'm just trying to understand your mindset. What have the Liberals done for you? What did they do to garner your total loyalty?

Don't take any offense from this please. I'm honestly curious

One of the more telling issues in this election (and not the most important, but it's up there) is marijuana. At this point, anyone who thinks that legalization isn't the solution is a complete moron. It's well documented, it's tested in other jurisdictions, and it's continuing to gain momentum in the US where the results from Colorado have been mostly positive (I know some issues stem from tourism to Colorado, but this is fixed by widespread legalization; other issues are similar to existing issues or that of alcohol). This issue alone speaks volumes about the parties: Harper wants to fill prisons and give money to criminals; the old man wants to sit on the decriminalization fence and think about it like every other election issue; Trudeau wants to apply common sense to the matter and go with the facts.

 

[gutter_trash]

@GreenPotato

this sums up what I believe in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLkJbcW33rE

 

[Simon Belmont]

Only on this board?

There are more Dippers here per capita than any other place I've been.

Seriously. Might as well point out that every conservative government ever has been the NDP's fault with that logic.

Seriously. Wouldn't the NDP 'owe' the Liberals one for last election then?

If there's a party whose extremes don't scare you, you might be a partisan. Just sayin'.

This is the truth.

It's dumb but come on. Some Liberals are still blaming Jack Layton for Stephen Harper. It's pretty standard. PR solves this of course.

Nothing in the world would shock me more than electoral reform. I've generally found Paul Wells rule of Canadian politics (the least exciting outcome will always happen) to be true.

Edit: I just agreed hard with Willectro. I don't even know what to think anymore.

 

[Annubis]

@GreenPotato

this sums up what I believe in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLkJbcW33rE

Isn't this basically the opposite of C-51 which is supported by the current Liberals?

 

[Parch]

I'm just disappointed that the big picture has been lost. The #1 main objective should have been to oust the Conservatives, and Canada is completely blowing it.

 

[gutter_trash]

I'm just disappointed that the big picture has been lost. The #1 main objective should have been to oust the Conservatives, and Canada is completely blowing it.

Can't beat the Conservatives without Ontario

 

[diaspora]

There are more Dippers here per capita than any other place I've been.



Seriously. Wouldn't the NDP 'owe' the Liberals one for last election then?



This is the truth.



Nothing in the world would shock me more than electoral reform. I've generally found Paul Wells rule of Canadian politics (the least exciting outcome will always happen) to be true.

Edit: I just agreed hard with Willectro. I don't even know what to think anymore.

Every minority tory gov in history.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Every minority tory gov in history.

aside from 2006, which was primarily the fault of several Liberal MPs in Quebec

 

[bonesmccoy]

My region (South Vancouver Island) has seen 2 LPC candidates resign. Thomas seems like the kind of person who most certainly shouldn't be representing Canadians in Ottawa, but Manna? I think 9/11 Trutherism is ridiculous, but her comments were extremely tame.

It makes me wonder if there was already some infighting within the local party about her candidacy.

 

[gutter_trash]

aside from 2006, which was primarily the fault of several Liberal MPs in Quebec

which ones specifically?
No Liberal MP was ever condemned of any wrong doing during the Gomery Commission

My region (South Vancouver Island) has seen 2 LPC candidates resign. Thomas seems like the kind of person who most certainly shouldn't be representing Canadians in Ottawa, but Manna? I think 9/11 Trutherism is ridiculous, but her comments were extremely tame.

It makes me wonder if there was already some infighting within the local party about her candidacy.

Truthers are not qualified to run as candidates, period. Conspiracy Theorists are the worst.

 

[subrock]

My region (South Vancouver Island) has seen 2 LPC candidates resign. Thomas seems like the kind of person who most certainly shouldn't be representing Canadians in Ottawa, but Manna? I think 9/11 Trutherism is ridiculous, but her comments were extremely tame.

It makes me wonder if there was already some infighting within the local party about her candidacy.

I'm in Vic too. Thomas didn't have a snowball's chance so I imagine cutting her loose was an easy call. Same sort of thing for Manna. The less money the parties have to pour into losing campaigns the better.

 

[Walpurgis]

Truthers are not qualified to run as candidates, period. Conspiracy Theorists are the worst.

Depends on the conspiracy. Anyone who blindly eats up everything governments and media tell them isn't qualified to run as a candidate either.

 

[super6646]

Economy grew 0.3% in July, so that's good. Still very skeptical on Stephen Harper, and probably won't be voting for him.

 

[SRG01]

Economy grew 0.3% in July, so that's good. Still very skeptical on Stephen Harper, and probably won't be voting for him.

0.3% is pretty much rounding error. In fact, we've been having sub-1% growth/contraction for months now and no one is addressing the greater issue of economic stagnation and instead focusing on the growth/recession narratives.

When a government touts economic growth while the numbers are that low is when you know things are really worse than they seem.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Depends on the conspiracy. Anyone who blindly eats up everything governments and media tell them isn't qualified to run as a candidate either.

There has never been a 'conspiracy theory' that has turned out to be true. There have been plenty of conspiracies, but as they are conspiracies they are always completely unknown until exposed. Nobody has ever accurately predicted or theorized a real conspiracy.

 

[Walpurgis]

There has never been a 'conspiracy theory' that has turned out to be true. There have been plenty of conspiracies, but as they are conspiracies they are always completely unknown until exposed. Nobody has ever accurately predicted or theorized a real conspiracy.

Dale Gribble was right about the government watching him.

 

[diaspora]

Does 0.3% really qualify as growth?

 

[Simon Belmont]

Dale Gribble was right about the government watching him.

Hardly a conspiracy, the Government watches lots of people. He also had access to a dangerous amount of propane.

 

[Tabris]

Does 0.3% really qualify as growth?

Well people were calling 0.1% contraction a recession.

We're basically at a pretty stagnant pace, a non-recession.

It's not as bad as most people make it out to be, especially if you live in cities like Vancouver which is at a 3.4% GDP growth increase. But the losses in the commodity sectors (Alberta being worst off) is what is making our GDP growth country wide stagnate.

Here is a breakdown of current GDP growth rates per city:

Economic growth rates in Canadian cities in 2015
1. Vancouver: +3.4%
2.= Toronto: +2.6%
2.= Winnipeg: +2.6%
4. Halifax: +2.3%
5. Montreal: +2.1%
6. Quebec City: +1.8%
7. Saskatoon: +1.7%
8. Regina: +1.6%
9. Victoria: +1.4%
10. Ottawa-Gatineau: +0.7%
11. Calgary: -0.5%
12. Edmonton: -0.1%

The funny thing, the rural areas and lesser cities that vote conservatives because they are doing a "good job with the economy", are the ones hardest hit and are in a recession.

 

[super6646]

Well people were calling 0.1% contraction a recession.

We're basically at a pretty stagnant pace, a non-recession.

It's not as bad as most people make it out to be, especially if you live in cities like Vancouver which is at a 3.1% GDP growth increase. But the losses in the commodity sectors (Alberta being worst off) is what is making our GDP growth country wide stagnate.

Here is a breakdown of current GDP growth rates per city:

Economic growth rates in Canadian cities in 2015
1. Vancouver: +3.4%
2.= Toronto: +2.6%
2.= Winnipeg: +2.6%
4. Halifax: +2.3%
5. Montreal: +2.1%
6. Quebec City: +1.8%
7. Saskatoon: +1.7%
8. Regina: +1.6%
9. Victoria: +1.4%
10. Ottawa-Gatineau: +0.7%
11. Calgary: -0.5%
12. Edmonton: -0.1%

The funny thing, the rural areas and lesser cities that vote conservatives because they are doing a "good job with the economy", are the ones hardest hit and are in a recession.

This is sad, especially for me.

 

[super6646]

Does 0.3% really qualify as growth?

That was one month. Its 3.7% annualized, which is actually pretty good.

 

[Tabris]

That was one month. Its 3.7% annualized, which is actually pretty good.

Where are you getting that number? That's not at all what our annual GDP growth rate looks like.

We're at 1% right now for first quarter of 2015 and it'll be lower once we hit Jan 2016.

 

[super6646]

Where are you getting that number? That's not at all what our annual GDP growth rate looks like.

Here's our annual growth rates:

We're at 1% right now.

I'm excluding the slump for the first 1/2 of the year. It grew 0.3% this month, meaning 3.7% growth per year.

 

[Tabris]

I'm excluding the slump for the first 1/2 of the year. It grew 0.3% this month, meaning 3.7% growth per year.

 

[Hilti92]

Man, every time I see a Mulclair ad on TV, the dude seems so robotic and creepy.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Man, every time I see a Mulclair ad on TV, the dude seems so robotic and creepy.

I don't watch TV but I've watched some of his ads on Youtube. Most of my exposure to him before has been Commons debate videos or other House related stuff. There he's very much Angry Tom. The ads make him looks like a very warm, happy person. Maybe that's how he actually is, but the juxtaposition just makes it all look very fake.

 

[SickBoy]

Speaking of electoral reform, since it's coming up in this thread, I guess my fantasy result would be to see the Liberals and NDP win and realize that working together isn't so bad after all, then opt to implement some sort of proportional system.

That'll never happen, of course, so screw them all

 

[SRG01]

Well people were calling 0.1% contraction a recession.

We're basically at a pretty stagnant pace, a non-recession.

It's not as bad as most people make it out to be, especially if you live in cities like Vancouver which is at a 3.4% GDP growth increase. But the losses in the commodity sectors (Alberta being worst off) is what is making our GDP growth country wide stagnate.

Here is a breakdown of current GDP growth rates per city:

Economic growth rates in Canadian cities in 2015
1. Vancouver: +3.4%
2.= Toronto: +2.6%
2.= Winnipeg: +2.6%
4. Halifax: +2.3%
5. Montreal: +2.1%
6. Quebec City: +1.8%
7. Saskatoon: +1.7%
8. Regina: +1.6%
9. Victoria: +1.4%
10. Ottawa-Gatineau: +0.7%
11. Calgary: -0.5%
12. Edmonton: -0.1%

The funny thing, the rural areas and lesser cities that vote conservatives because they are doing a "good job with the economy", are the ones hardest hit and are in a recession.

The problem with stagnation is that it's really bad when your economic neighbours are doing pretty well. It's better than a recession of course, but the benefits of a lower Canadian dollar are definitely not gaining traction with an improved US economy. At 75c, the US would've been moving their manufacturing to Canada in droves... if it were the 90s. The times are different now, and any bump that Canada experiences will be fleeting -- especially if TPP goes through.

 

[Tabris]

The problem with stagnation is that it's really bad when your economic neighbours are doing pretty well. It's better than a recession of course, but the benefits of a lower Canadian dollar are definitely not gaining traction with an improved US economy. At 75c, the US would've been moving their manufacturing to Canada in droves... if it were the 90s. The times are different now, and any bump that Canada experiences will be fleeting -- especially if TPP goes through.

People really need to get past the manufacturing sector. We're not going to get that back.

That lower dollar impacts other industries - like knowledge based sector / industries. US companies can employ talent for a considerable cheaper price then before in Canadian cities. Thus why Vancouver and Toronto are seeing such positive GDP growth.

Both our politicians and voters always speak in such archaic terms re: the economy. Same with the US. They all talk about getting manufacturing jobs back from countries like China but that's just natural progression in a global market. Eventually China will lose it's manufacturing jobs to cheaper countries as it also transitions to service and knowledge based sector. China is pushing to do this now actually but it suffers from a cultural reluctance to spend as they tend to save at least 30% of their income.

We need to focus on the knowledge based sector.

 

[Vamphuntr]

People really need to get past the manufacturing sector. We're not going to get that back.

That lower dollar impacts other industries - like knowledge based sector / industries. US companies can employ talent for a considerable cheaper price then before in Canadian cities. Thus why Vancouver and Toronto are seeing such positive GDP growth.

Both our politicians and voters always speak in such archaic terms re: the economy. Same with the US. They all talk about getting manufacturing jobs back from countries like China but that's just natural progression in a global market. Eventually China will lose it's manufacturing jobs to cheaper countries as it also transitions to service and knowledge based sector. China is pushing to do this now actually but it suffers from a cultural reluctance to spend as they tend to save at least 30% of their income.

We need to focus on the knowledge based sector.

Yes, I think politicians know this but the average voter probably isn't probably skilled enough to get a position in the knowledge sector. Manufacturing jobs are open to pretty much everyone but engineering, IT, and other science related jobs aren't. Someone that worked 10 years + in a sweatshop isn't probably going to develop a new cutting edge software, devise a new drug synthesis or become a lawyer.

 

[jstripes]

The funny thing, the rural areas and lesser cities that vote conservatives because they are doing a "good job with the economy", are the ones hardest hit and are in a recession.

So you mean they're like Republican voters?

 

[lacinius]

Hahaha Harper is just trolling at this point.

1. Announces his intention to double the panda population.

2. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQLjCdmXAAAay8P.jpg

Clearly Harper's Panda Diplomacy has been a masterstroke.

 

[Annubis]

Yes, I think politicians know this but the average voter probably isn't probably skilled enough to get a position in the knowledge sector. Manufacturing jobs are open to pretty much everyone but engineering, IT, and other science related jobs aren't. Someone that worked 10 years + in a sweatshop isn't probably going to develop a new cutting edge software, devise a new drug synthesis or become a lawyer.

Bringing gaming to Montreal really helped.

 

[SRG01]

People really need to get past the manufacturing sector. We're not going to get that back.

That lower dollar impacts other industries - like knowledge based sector / industries. US companies can employ talent for a considerable cheaper price then before in Canadian cities. Thus why Vancouver and Toronto are seeing such positive GDP growth.

Both our politicians and voters always speak in such archaic terms re: the economy. Same with the US. They all talk about getting manufacturing jobs back from countries like China but that's just natural progression in a global market. Eventually China will lose it's manufacturing jobs to cheaper countries as it also transitions to service and knowledge based sector. China is pushing to do this now actually but it suffers from a cultural reluctance to spend as they tend to save at least 30% of their income.

We need to focus on the knowledge based sector.

I personally believe Real Estate and Financials -- at least for Toronto -- is responsible for some of their growth.

And while I do agree with focusing on the knowledge-based sector, the problem is that a good portion of the population is not capable of it simply of how the education system is currently set up.

Not only that, but much of the country's economy is tooled toward servicing manufacturing or resource sector companies. Knowledge-based jobs are a drop in the bucket and that won't change even if the government poured billions into it. The ecosystem simply isn't there.

(fake edit: And I agree with Vamphuntr wholeheartedly. There are limits in which a country labor force can be retrained.)

edit2: A wonderful article from Andrew Coyne, who articulates his position on the niqab issue far better than anyone else I've read: http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...-to-uncover-why-the-niqab-issue-is-ridiculous

It should not need restating, but perhaps it does: in a liberal society, it is not sufficient to restrict another’s rights that their behaviour or dress or custom is off-putting to you, or that you find their beliefs abhorrent, or that they and their kind make you feel ill at ease. You are free to think those things, and to say them; but unless they have violated your rights you are not free to limit theirs. Absent some identifiable harm — and the critics have yet to identify any specific harm to themselves or anyone arising from the swearing of an oath under a veil — there is no basis in Canadian law to ban the niqab, at citizenship ceremonies or elsewhere.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Man, every time I see a Mulclair ad on TV, the dude seems so robotic and creepy.

I don't watch TV but I've watched some of his ads on Youtube. Most of my exposure to him before has been Commons debate videos or other House related stuff. There he's very much Angry Tom. The ads make him looks like a very warm, happy person. Maybe that's how he actually is, but the juxtaposition just makes it all look very fake.

I've never tried to hide my negative feelings about Mulcair around here, so my view is probably tainted, but I think the big problem with the NDP campaign is that they're trying to make Mulcair into something he's not. I didn't follow his Quebec career, so my impression has been limited to how he's looked since becoming an MP (and in the video clips that have been unearthed from his time in Quebec), but I don't think the Jack-like campaign suits him at all. He's not a warm, smiling individual, and that's just getting magnified by the fact he's up against a candidate who seems much more comfortable in that kind of role.

I think he'd have been more effective if he'd embraced Angry Tom. It's not a great personality for a campaign, but our current PM is living proof that you don't have to be likeable to get elected. He'd need to channel it effectively so that it comes off as righteous anger, but if he chose his issues right, it could work. I could see it being effective against TPP; depending on what the deal ends up being, there may be an appetite for someone raging against a perceived sellout of the dairy and auto industries.

Unrelated note: I just finished up two days in Calgary for work, and I couldn't believe how few signs there were of the election. I think I saw one campaign sign the whole time I was in the city, and even that was in such a lonely spot I wasn't entirely sure it hadn't been forgotten from the spring election.

 

[maharg]

I've never tried to hide my negative feelings about Mulcair around here, so my view is probably tainted, but I think the big problem with the NDP campaign is that they're trying to make Mulcair into something he's not. I didn't follow his Quebec career, so my impression has been limited to how he's looked since becoming an MP (and in the video clips that have been unearthed from his time in Quebec), but I don't think the Jack-like campaign suits him at all. He's not a warm, smiling individual, and that's just getting magnified by the fact he's up against a candidate who seems much more comfortable in that kind of role.

I think he'd have been more effective if he'd embraced Angry Tom. It's not a great personality for a campaign, but our current PM is living proof that you don't have to be likeable to get elected. He'd need to channel it effectively so that it comes off as righteous anger, but if he chose his issues right, it could work. I could see it being effective against TPP; depending on what the deal ends up being, there may be an appetite for someone raging against a perceived sellout of the dairy and auto industries.

I agree with all of this.

Unrelated note: I just finished up two days in Calgary for work, and I couldn't believe how few signs there were of the election. I think I saw one campaign sign the whole time I was in the city, and even that was in such a lonely spot I wasn't entirely sure it hadn't been forgotten from the spring election.

You'll have to forgive us Albertans, we're relatively new to democracy. :/

 

[mo60]

I've never tried to hide my negative feelings about Mulcair around here, so my view is probably tainted, but I think the big problem with the NDP campaign is that they're trying to make Mulcair into something he's not. I didn't follow his Quebec career, so my impression has been limited to how he's looked since becoming an MP (and in the video clips that have been unearthed from his time in Quebec), but I don't think the Jack-like campaign suits him at all. He's not a warm, smiling individual, and that's just getting magnified by the fact he's up against a candidate who seems much more comfortable in that kind of role.

I think he'd have been more effective if he'd embraced Angry Tom. It's not a great personality for a campaign, but our current PM is living proof that you don't have to be likeable to get elected. He'd need to channel it effectively so that it comes off as righteous anger, but if he chose his issues right, it could work. I could see it being effective against TPP; depending on what the deal ends up being, there may be an appetite for someone raging against a perceived sellout of the dairy and auto industries.

Unrelated note: I just finished up two days in Calgary for work, and I couldn't believe how few signs there were of the election. I think I saw one campaign sign the whole time I was in the city, and even that was in such a lonely spot I wasn't entirely sure it hadn't been forgotten from the spring election.

I wish Tom would show his Anger side more during this election campaign. Maybe he has time to show it again a lot more than he has been showing it during this election campaign.

Also, gutter_trash I would be very careful what you say. It may come back to bite you hard on election day.

 

[SRG01]

You'll have to forgive us Albertans, we're relatively new to democracy. :/

Speaking of this, there aren't as many signs in Edmonton as compared to previous elections... it's almost eerie.

 

[mo60]

Speaking of this, there aren't as many signs in Edmonton as compared to previous elections... it's almost eerie.

I barely see liberal, green or independent signs in my area which is odd. I mostly see conservative and then NDP signs.

 

[matthewwhatever]

You'll have to forgive us Albertans, we're relatively new to democracy. :/

I mentioned it to the Calgarians I was working with, and they just kind of shrugged and said that as Western Canadians, they had a hard time remembering there was an election on because it seemed so remote from their daily lives. And these were two well-educated, progressive-leaning women, working in jobs related to politics! I know that western alienation is a thing, but it was still weird to see and hear it in action.

 

[subrock]

I wish Tom would show his Anger side more during this election campaign. Maybe he has time to show it again a lot more than he has been showing it during this election campaign.

pretty sure Mulcair is going for a Layton-esque demeanour because the NDP have identified that as a popular trait. It's sad really, but they just need a popular leader, and smiling all the time is presumably what they think is the best bet.

 

[GSG Flash]

I've never tried to hide my negative feelings about Mulcair around here, so my view is probably tainted, but I think the big problem with the NDP campaign is that they're trying to make Mulcair into something he's not. I didn't follow his Quebec career, so my impression has been limited to how he's looked since becoming an MP (and in the video clips that have been unearthed from his time in Quebec), but I don't think the Jack-like campaign suits him at all. He's not a warm, smiling individual, and that's just getting magnified by the fact he's up against a candidate who seems much more comfortable in that kind of role.

I think he'd have been more effective if he'd embraced Angry Tom. It's not a great personality for a campaign, but our current PM is living proof that you don't have to be likeable to get elected. He'd need to channel it effectively so that it comes off as righteous anger, but if he chose his issues right, it could work. I could see it being effective against TPP; depending on what the deal ends up being, there may be an appetite for someone raging against a perceived sellout of the dairy and auto industries.

Unrelated note: I just finished up two days in Calgary for work, and I couldn't believe how few signs there were of the election. I think I saw one campaign sign the whole time I was in the city, and even that was in such a lonely spot I wasn't entirely sure it hadn't been forgotten from the spring election.

I agree, Angry Tom is what I was expecting this election campaign, but all we got was passive aggressive Tom at the most.

I wanted to see Mulcair rip into Harper in the debates.

 

[mo60]

I agree, Angry Tom is what I was expecting this election campaign, but all we got was passive aggressive Tom at the most.

I wanted to see Mulcair rip into Harper in the debates.

Well I expect Mulcair to rip into trudeau and possibly harper in the final debate.

 

[Walpurgis]

For some reason, I feel like Mulcair is a temporary leader. I don't feel like he fits the NDP.

 

[mo60]

For some reason, I feel like Mulcair is a temporary leader. I don't feel like he fits the NDP.

I don't think someone would be a temporary leader of a political party for like 3 years.No one knows yet if he will be replaced after this election.

 

[killer rin]

Clearly Harper's Panda Diplomacy has been a masterstroke.

Hoooooolllyy shit... Where has this been all my life. LMFAO.

Well I expect Mulcair to rip into trudeau and possibly harper in the final debate.

It'll be risky, but it might be Muclairs best shot at winning. That said, imagine if only Trudeau and Muclair stopped going at eachothers throats. Imagine the damage they could do if they just teamed up on Harper and called out all his lies for all to see.

 

[mo60]

Hoooooolllyy shit... Where has this been all my life. LMFAO.


It'll be risky, but it might be Muclairs best shot at winning, though imagine if only Trudeau and Muclair stopped going at eachothers throats. Imagine the damage they could do if they just teamed up on Harper and called out all his lies for all to see.

I would love it if he did that as long as he did not act like trudeau in the previous debates.