I didn't watch this but it sounds like he killed it. He was good in the last one too. I don't want him in Ottawa; he's too dangerous.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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Perhaps not - but Canada needs to get out of the stirring up shit business we find ourselves in with this Coalition of Imperialistic War Dogs.
We have assisted in fucking up that entire region for oil.
dragonfart28
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Mulcair made the critical point about how we've plummeted in world peacekeeping rankings since Harper came into office.
I thought it was interesting that a few At Issue's ago Chantel Herbert said that "Angry Tom" is not a thing to be criticized in Quebec, that people there expect a bit more aggression in the debates, and his style isn't remarkable.
Only in English Canada is there this concern about whether Mulcair is "too angry."
Only in English Canada is there this concern about whether Mulcair is "too angry."
Wow. Two in less than twelve hours. This must be a new high score for Kenney. God, I hate this racist ass.
gutter_trash
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IMO, Canada should not be involved at all in that war because there are too many dubious allies/enemies of different allegiances and rivalries that make it impossible to build a coalition force of one side that can effectively remove ISIS
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http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2015/10/02/qui-a-remporte-le-faceafacetva
LOL a Poll on JdM asks who won.
Hoooooly fuck please let this be a real trend
For Metro Vancouver, provided there isn't a really bad split between NDP/Lib support, this could mean 3-5 ridings switching from Conservative to NDP or Liberal. I'd imagine this trend could be going on in other major South Asian communities in the rest of Canada too (eg. Brampton).
This is huge.
For Metro Vancouver, provided there isn't a really bad split between NDP/Lib support, this could mean 3-5 ridings switching from Conservative to NDP or Liberal. I'd imagine this trend could be going on in other major South Asian communities in the rest of Canada too (eg. Brampton).
This is huge.
Buba Big Guns
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Anecdotal, but anti-conservative sentiment is pretty strong among middle eastern and south asian immigrants in Ontario. We`ll see what actually happens.
TheRealTalker
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Mayor Nenshi on the Niqab, Jason Kenney, and women issues (The National)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuHFTSCKAS0&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuHFTSCKAS0&feature=youtu.be
UberTag
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Recommendations based off limited data and conjecture from threehundredeight notwithstanding, the above recommendations align with strategicvoting.ca's swing district recommendations almost exactly... and I didn't even look at that site when I prepped this. (I'm glad that it's out there, btw.)
They deviate slightly in the following 12 ridings...
Barrie / Springwater / Oro-Medonte - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote Liberal
Brampton East - strategicvoting.ca is advising people to vote for the Liberals even though threehundredeight.com shows the NDP to clearly be in 2nd place well ahead of the trailing Tories (that said, I can understand the logic behind ensuring the front-runner holds)
Brantford / Brant - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote NDP
Cambridge - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote Liberal
Chatham-Kent / Leamington - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote NDP
Dufferin / Caledon - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote Green
Elgin / Middlesex / London - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote NDP
Kenora - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote NDP... even though threehundredeight.com shows the NDP to have fallen into 3rd place behind the Liberals
Kitchener South / Hespeler - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote NDP... even though threehundredeight.com shows the NDP to have fallen into 3rd place behind the Liberals
Perth / Wellington - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote Liberal
Sault Ste. Marie - strategicvoting.ca is backing the Liberals in the 3-way dogfight riding... seems pretty ballsy; the NDP received almost twice as many votes as the Liberals in this riding 4 years ago; threehundredeight.com still shows the NDP to be in 2nd with the Liberals slightly behind in 3rd (although to be fair this riding seems like a statistical crapshoot - might as well call it Canada Jr.)
Whitby - strategicvoting.ca feels this riding is still in play and advises people to vote Liberal
Just in case anyone was curious. That said, any of the Ontario ridings that I called out as "vote Liberal" or "vote NDP" that aren't showing up on strategicvoting.ca's swing districts page are probably ridings where those parties are landslide favorites and you can feel free to vote your conscience there as well.
matthewwhatever
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But remember, he's a rock star in ethnic communities!
Related to that "Kenney is a rock star" article, it would be so amazing if those communities did abandon the Conservatives. For one thing, it would prevent them from trotting out people like Parm Gill and Tim Uppal as shields against charges of racism. For another...I don't know how else to put this, and I hope it doesn't come across as racist, but those communities are really freaking organized. Losing them would mean losing out on an super-motivated, incredibly reliable bloc of voters.
Nenshi is amazing. If he starts taking French lessons (assuming he's not already bilingual), he'd be one of the most sought-after candidates for any federal party. But what's with that music for the first minute? It makes it sound all eerie and ominous.
I know this was posted a few pages ago, but today's Ekos poll is weird -- it gives two numbers.
First page -- the total over the course of the week's polling:
CPC 33.4
LPC 26.7
NDP 25.6
GPC 7.8
BQ 5.3
But then on the very next page, their poll for the last three days:
CPC 33.0
LPC 27.1
NDP 23.8
GPC 8.1
BQ 6.6
Obviously, that's all in the margin of error, and the second numbers are a smaller sample, but it seems like the three-day numbers show a slightly different picture than the others.
UberTag
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Seems to me that Mulcair's NDP is hemorrhaging support rapidly. It's scary how much they've fallen since they were riding high in late August. In some way's Duceppe's resurgence in Quebec has gift-wrapped Harper's re-election for him. I hope he gets a nice gift basket for Christmas.
matthewwhatever
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Chantal Hebert was really unimpressed by Mulcair:
Paul Wells is a little more positive:
He's more positive about Trudeau, though:
Paul Wells is a little more positive:
He's more positive about Trudeau, though:
hydragonwarrior
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Well it might have something to do with Harper's recent anti-immigration agenda
If that is the reason then I hope Harper fucking cranks up the anti-immigrant/anti-new stock/anti-non-Christian rhetoric by several orders of magnitude!!!!
Someone needs to start a rumour that Harper wants to bring back Internment Camps - get it going viral!
I like this guy. I like this guy a lot.
And I got this idea from the comments on the video but to shed light on the ridiculous focus on the niqab and the possible "barbaric cultural practices" tip line, I wish someone would have brought up circumcision to Harper during the debate. I have heard pretty much those three words used to describe it before and staunch defenses for it.
You want to make people give a shit and have a serious discussion about personal religious liberty? Talk about their dicks.
BigJonsson
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Liberals up to 34 in the Nanos tracking, cpc 30ish
If this actually sticks, and given the dipping NDP numbers, I will find this hilarious.
CitizenVectron
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Especially since Gutter will have possibly been correct, but for all the wrong reasons.
TheStruggler
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I feel like someone needs to make Harper/Palpatine gifs.
gutter_trash
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senate blabla senate blabla
these two Provinces said NO to abolishing the senate without concessions
# of Senators per Province:
British Columbia 6
Alberta 6
Ontario 24
Quebec 24
Manitoba 6
Saskatchewan 6
Nova Scotia 10
Newfoundland 6
New Brunswick 10
Northwest Territories 1
Prince Edward Island 4
Yukon 1
Nunavut 1
it is impossible to abolish the Senate no matter what Provincial Party rules each of the two big Provinces
NB and NS rank 3rd and 4th with the most senators too also puts them on the same boat as ON and QC. So you got 4 automatically against the abolition right there
these two Provinces said NO to abolishing the senate without concessions
# of Senators per Province:
British Columbia 6
Alberta 6
Ontario 24
Quebec 24
Manitoba 6
Saskatchewan 6
Nova Scotia 10
Newfoundland 6
New Brunswick 10
Northwest Territories 1
Prince Edward Island 4
Yukon 1
Nunavut 1
it is impossible to abolish the Senate no matter what Provincial Party rules each of the two big Provinces
NB and NS rank 3rd and 4th with the most senators too also puts them on the same boat as ON and QC. So you got 4 automatically against the abolition right there
matthewwhatever
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Exact numbers:
The regional breakdowns are kind of crazy. He has the Liberals up by 10 points over the Conservatives in Ontario (43.6 to 33.8). He also has the NDP in third place in Atlantic Canada, nearly 10 points back of the Conservatives, and he has the Conservatives falling back to third in BC.
gutter_trash
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"new stock" Canadians have had enough and are now building consensus on who to pick to beat Harper.
lets just hope that Ford Nation and the 905 don't act as spoilers
matthewwhatever
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Yet another xenophobic low from the Conservatives: one of their Winnipeg candidates -- a sitting MP -- read off a list of "enemies of Israel" at an all-candidates meeting. It included the Liberal candidate in Ottawa-Orleans, a highly decorated military veteran who just so happens to have spurned the Conservatives when they approached him to be a candidate.
Meanwhile, this happened to a sign belonging to the Liberal candidate for Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke, another retired vet who fought in Afghanistan:
Normally, I'm not someone who cares about military service, but this is just getting ridiculous -- it kind of reminds me of how the Republicans beat a triple-amputee war vet in 2002 by saying he wasn't patriotic enough.
Meanwhile, this happened to a sign belonging to the Liberal candidate for Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke, another retired vet who fought in Afghanistan:
Normally, I'm not someone who cares about military service, but this is just getting ridiculous -- it kind of reminds me of how the Republicans beat a triple-amputee war vet in 2002 by saying he wasn't patriotic enough.
excelsiorlef
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senate blabla senate blabla
these two Provinces said NO to abolishing the senate without concessions
# of Senators per Province:
British Columbia 6
Alberta 6
Ontario 24
Quebec 24
Manitoba 6
Saskatchewan 6
Nova Scotia 10
Newfoundland 6
New Brunswick 10
Northwest Territories 1
Prince Edward Island 4
Yukon 1
Nunavut 1
it is impossible to abolish the Senate no matter what Provincial Party rules each of the two big Provinces
NB and NS rank 3rd and 4th with the most senators too also puts them on the same boat as ON and QC. So you got 4 automatically against the abolition right there
Jesus Nova Scotia has a smaller population than just the Greater Vancouver area but has 4 more Senators than BC.
That's pathetic.
Jesus fucking Christ.
CitizenVectron
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Yeah. The Senate should either be proportional or be the same for all provinces (like the US). The current system is just weird in terms of numbers.
excelsiorlef
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Everyone who laughed at gutter_trash's bold claims that Justin Trudeau would be our next Prime Minister may have some crow to eat.
At the moment there's a very good chance Justin could be the next PM. I don't think this is because his momentum is going to propel him into a minority victory, as I still think the Conservatives are on track to win, (I explained why I think the Libs won't be able to get enough seats in a post a page or so ago) but because at the moment it looks quite likely that the Liberals have taken second place and the Official Opposition role away from the NDP.
This means that if the NDP and Liberals do form a coalition in order to defeat a Minority Conservative government, as we all hope they do, the coalition member with the most amount of seats would be the most natural person to lead it and be the next PM. At the moment this would be Justin Trudeau.
The major thing that could ruin this plan is if the Bloc have a significantly large amount of seats that a coalition against the Conservatives is not viable.
At the moment there's a very good chance Justin could be the next PM. I don't think this is because his momentum is going to propel him into a minority victory, as I still think the Conservatives are on track to win, (I explained why I think the Libs won't be able to get enough seats in a post a page or so ago) but because at the moment it looks quite likely that the Liberals have taken second place and the Official Opposition role away from the NDP.
This means that if the NDP and Liberals do form a coalition in order to defeat a Minority Conservative government, as we all hope they do, the coalition member with the most amount of seats would be the most natural person to lead it and be the next PM. At the moment this would be Justin Trudeau.
The major thing that could ruin this plan is if the Bloc have a significantly large amount of seats that a coalition against the Conservatives is not viable.
eBay Huckster
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C'mon, Quebec, don't fuck this one up again.
fyi I consider the Bloc winning more than 4 seats to be a fuckup
CitizenVectron
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While Gutter would be write, it would be for the wrong reasons. He was expecting a surge for the Liberals rather than a drop in the NDP based on xenophobic Quebeckers.
Buba Big Guns
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To be honest I think Harper`s xenophobic views might be backfiring on the CPC. A lot more people are becoming informed as the election gets closer.
The real question is...
Do we want vanilla Justin?
or Bond villain beard Justin?
Vanilla. Handsome man.
It would be nice to have a handsome PM for a bit. Supervillain Palpatine Harper is getting old (in more ways than one).
Yeah but "He's just not ready", right? Yet, with Harper distributing "Enemies of..." lists to all his candidates I have to ask, 'ready for what'... to step over the bar that Harper has set so low that even the first tetrapods could negotiate no problem?
Gaaaah, I choked on my coffee
But yeah, I think this was mentioned before, but those 'just not ready' ads totally backfired because it set the bar so low for Justin Trudeau that he's been exceeding people's expectations.
CitizenVectron
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It definitely would have been better for them had the election been this monday or last monday, in terms of an emotional big shift. As time goes on cooler heads generally prevail, and it gives time for the ABC vote to coalesce (potentially). However, it's possible that the CPC have another trick or wedge issue up their sleeve.
gutter_trash
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Liberal rise is more an Ontario factor than a Quebec one.
Liberals in Quebec are confined to Montreal area and maybe win one other riding because of a 4 way vote splitting caused by a popular independent candidate fracturing the Bloc vote in that riding.
Even Vancouver has seen a Liberal rise.
he will lose allot of Metropolitan ridings in most of Canadian big cities. Hoping to see Calgary lose a Conservative riding or two. Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and even a riding in Calgary
*Quebec City is not a big city by the way
matthewwhatever
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The real question is...
Do we want vanilla Justin?
or Bond villain beard Justin?
I loved the supervillain look. The contrast between that beard and Mulcair's stodgy old one would've been fantastic.
And speaking of stodgy, Conrad Black has some things to say:
He's a pretty terrible person, but he really can be a fantastic writer.
GuessMyUserName
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NPD slipping in Quebec doesn't just affect Quebec voters. That was the NDP stronghold and it began crumbling - whether or not Quebecers crumbled to Libs.
CitizenVectron
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Yeah the niqab issue started the NDP to collapse there, which was (I believe) one of the main reasons the Liberals have begun rising in Ontario as the ABC vote potentially coalesces around them. People follow polls, and if it looks impossible for the NDP to win then you'll see soft NDP support shift to the Liberals, much as soft Liberals switched to NDP earlier in the year.
hydragonwarrior
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You guys think this will be enough to turn the tide back to the Libs?
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/barbaricculturalpractices
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/barbaricculturalpractices
BigJonsson
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If the media reports a race between the cpc and lpc with the ndp falling behind there could be a big shift nationwide, media narrative plays a big role
gutter_trash
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stronghold?
they never had a solid base there to begin with
Morrigan Stark
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Missed the debate. Seems like it was the best one yet? Guess I'll watch now.
Because elections are costly and the long campaigning is tedious?
xD
I don't think it'd be that shocking if he was, after all it's all 30/30/30 more or less right now. We laugh at him because he repeats it blindly like a parrot.
There base is still strong there.I still expect the ndp to get 40-50 seats in Quebec and 35-50 seats everywhere else.
Is it likely that the CPC starts hammering attack ads aimed squarely at Justin and the Liberals again. They mostly have attack ads that include both the NDP and the Liberals now.
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