Depends on product. For example, no way I would prefer Canadian seafood over Hokkaido seafood. Their milk is much better too.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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Haven't really been able to listen to much of the speeches yet, but I like this. Just lay into Harper, Justin.
Go go go. Good speech, good guy. Let's do this, Canada.killer rin
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Damn, that was a good speech. Had me wanting to cheer aloud.
Infinite Stars
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Well, that settles it. I was going for NDP, but Tom's lackluster performance+Justin's speech has me swung. I only really had a 1% difference when taking those surveys, so it's not a hard switch.
Well I live in Sendai, but Vancouver salmon in addition to Atlantic Canada cod and sardines are god tier for me.
I currently live in Hong Kong. Literally the only things I would prefer in Canada over anything else is Alberta beef in regards to the price to quality ratio and geoduck.
Those are fighting words friend
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Well, let's start with British Columbia and work our way east. We can have a full sweep of the country completed by Election Day.
CONSERVATIVE
Abbotsford
Cariboo—Prince George
Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola
Chilliwack—Hope
Cloverdale—Langley City
Kelowna—Lake Country
Langley—Aldergrove
North Okanagan—Shuswap
Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies
NEW DEMOCRAT
Burnaby South
Cowichan—Malahat—Langford
Nanaimo—Ladysmith
New Westminster—Burnaby
Skeena—Bulkley Valley
Vancouver East
Vancouver Kingsway
Victoria
LIBERAL
North Vancouver
Surrey—Newton
Vancouver Centre
Vancouver Granville
Vancouver Quadra
Vancouver South
West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country
GREEN
Saanich—Gulf Islands
BATTLEGROUND
Leaning Conservative
Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam
Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon
Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge
Leaning NDP
Courtenay—Alberni
Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke
North Island—Powell River
Port Moody—Coquitlam
South Okanagan—West Kootenay
Leaning Liberal
Delta
South Surrey—White Rock
Steveston—Richmond East
Too Close to Call (my soft prediction in brackets)
Burnaby North—Seymour (Liberal)
Fleetwood—Port Kells (Conservative)
Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo (Conservative)
Kootenay—Columbia (Conservative)
Richmond Centre (Liberal)
Surrey Centre (Liberal)
SEAT COUNT
Conservative = 9 {12}
NDP = 8 {13}
Liberal = 7 {10}
Green = 1
Undecided = 6
So, based on the above, I would project 15 total seats for the Tories, 13 each for the NDP and Liberals and Elizabeth May holding her seat for the Greens. The NDP's support is the softest so that can easily break differently... most of those soft NDP ridings would swing to the Conservatives if they fail to hold. As for the really tight races, I'm leaning Conservative in ridings that have traditionally always gone to the Tories and leaning to the Liberals in major urban centers based on Trudeau's recent momentum.
Absolutely nothing I said was false.
matthewwhatever
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Today's Nanos:
Haven't looked at the regionals yet, but that looks bleak for the NDP.
Haven't looked at the regionals yet, but that looks bleak for the NDP.
People are starting to get behind who they think can win.
Looks like a collapse of NDP and gain for bloc? Consider CC and lib stayed the same.
matthewwhatever
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So that Mainstreet poll showing something interesting in Alberta? It's not much -- just that the Liberals might, possibly win a few seats. The Conservatives are still polling at 63% overall in the province.
Zombie James
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Welp, this solidifies my NDP vote.
The interesting thing there to me is a pretty substantial drop for the NDP from previous alberta polling/regional subsamples. Particularly in Edmonton.
It does seem as if the Liberals are managing to create a consensus among ABC voters, which is good. I just hope there's enough left of the NDP vote to give us a minority government and let the NDP put pressure on for PR.
Yikes.
I don't know what it is, media influence? But I'm losing interest in the NDP. I'm leaning very strongly towards Liberal now.
My riding is currently Conservative. The MP Ed Holder who is the Minister of State skipped out on the riding debate a week or so ago.
Hoping that he doesn't get re-elected back in.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Isn't that the Conservative strategy ATM? Skipping debates to avoid saying stupid shit to get ripped apart on social media?
Well Japan is probably more screwed than us considered how close is their market now.
PumpkinSpice
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If they got concessions for car exports to the US they'd be happy.
gutter_trash
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Say nothing about or be vague
Which code for they are going to let it through then do nothing about it
But i sm still voting Liberal
Zombie James
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Important to note that it'll be weeks until the full text is released and months after that before it's ratified. Having this monstrosity of a deal reached during an election instead of last year is probably the best timing for this thing.
Well, nobody except Harper and his goons know what's in the deal. Everything the public and opposition know is what's been leaked and no one's going to know what's in the final deal for a while. Being cautious or vague about supporting the TPP doesn't imply they'll just let is pass in this case.
He's said he wants to "seriously review it" but who knows what that means.
TheRealTalker
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Haprer livestream on the TPP
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-tpp-agreement-atlanta-1.3254569
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-tpp-agreement-atlanta-1.3254569
CreeperBlocks
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Okay can someone give me a run down of what the TPP does? Is this a bad thing for Canada?
firehawk12
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We don't know because the only thing that's been made public about it is that wikileaks thing a few months ago.
People are assuming the dairy industry is fucked though, along with other IP protections and whatnot.
Yeah, pretty much. I think the Liberals are in the "do nothing, offend no one" part of the campaign.
You won't know until Harper ratify it.
firehawk12
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Unless there are major changes, I think things like the drug patent issue probably won't change too much. It'll be interesting to know what the hang ups were though.
gutter_trash
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On tpptttpppp i have no sympathy for dairy farmers.
In Quebec, the dairy cartel does price fixing, take subsidies, they block products from Europe like cheese.
Why is 2L of Milk is 60 to 70% cheaper in Europe.? While the price of dairy here rises?
It doesn't make cents
So i won't shed a tear for the dairy cartel
In Quebec, the dairy cartel does price fixing, take subsidies, they block products from Europe like cheese.
Why is 2L of Milk is 60 to 70% cheaper in Europe.? While the price of dairy here rises?
It doesn't make cents
So i won't shed a tear for the dairy cartel
Zombie James
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IIRC, the text will become public months before it gets ratified.
PumpkinSpice
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Doesn't sound like dairy's taking a big hit on this. We'll get some imported fancy cheese but that's about it.
Edit: I'm starting to think it's really stupid of the NDP to come out against this without knowing what's in it. It's just setting themselves up for a fall. There could be something scary we don't know about yet, and it'd be good to see a lot of people read through the deal thoroughly, but so far what I'm reading doesn't sound bad.
TheRealTalker
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Cartel?
firehawk12
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"In order to qualify as a tariff-free vehicle under the TPP, 45 per cent of the net cost of the vehicle will need to originate in TPP countries not just North America. For auto parts, 45 per cent of core parts and priority parts identified by the Canadian industry, and 40 per cent of the net cost of other parts, will need to originate in TPP countries."
I assume that means a hit to manufacturing. Still interested to see what patents will look like.
PumpkinSpice
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Most of our car manufacturing has been moved out to Mexico due to NAFTA. I'm not sure what little is left is worth saving.
Sucks for Mexico I guess but maybe they got something out of this.
gutter_trash
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Yes. a Cartel. a powerful lobby
Travel to Europe, spend 3 weeks there, come back and ask yourself, why the hell is local food in Canada 3x more expensive than price of local food in Europe?
yeah tansport yeah but our gas prices are lower than in Europe
Sadly, as expected, it's almost nothing.
firehawk12
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Canadian milk is better or something!
gutter_trash
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if Spanish and French Milk is good enough for them at a more affordable price, I support competition the brings that Cartel controlled price down in Canada.
http://www.international.gc.ca/trad...mmerciaux/agr-acc/tpp-ptp/index.aspx?lang=eng
A higher price of food has a material affect on the quality of life of all Canadians, but especially poor Canadians. And for what, so that the dairy industry can make more money?
A higher price of food has a material affect on the quality of life of all Canadians, but especially poor Canadians. And for what, so that the dairy industry can make more money?
It's a daily staple, along with eggs, that hasn't seen meaningful price differences for as long as I have lived.
Having said that, I have huge skepticism as to whether TPP will actually benefit consumers. Milk products from TPP countries won't be substantially lower than existing prices because they'll price it at what the market will bear -- which is the current inflated price. Same with the auto industry -- prices of parts will go down, but those cost savings won't be passed onto the consumer.
TheRealTalker
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I see
yeah but then Canada is huge
we should rather have provinces compete with each other
edit: Nevermind I just read up on it
So competition is good, but only within a country ?
gutter_trash
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Inter-Provincial restrictions is the stupidest thing inside Canada.
like the New Brunswick man getting arrested by the RCMP for bringing cases of beer from Quebec back into New Brunswick
like the New Brunswick man getting arrested by the RCMP for bringing cases of beer from Quebec back into New Brunswick
TheRealTalker
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what I meant was first loosing our trade deals with provinces before we think of going international
Since we have so many restrictions form Provinces trading with one another in order to nullify competition and risk for other province farmers and yet we are going international without freeing these restrcitions first
we need to homogenize our market first before we go in since theoretically we won't be one united front if not
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