They sorta do already with all that cross border shopping but yeah not on the scale with TPP.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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They sorta do already with all that cross border shopping but yeah not on the scale with TPP.
gutter_trash
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Trudeau`s Brampton speech is his one of best
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-trudeau-brampton-rally-1.3256142
if he keeps this up, he`s got a lock
Not necessarily, but a New Zealand dairy company could take the feds to court if we put through legislation that helped dairy farmers here
Are you going to renounce your citizenship because of NAFTA? It has the same sorts of provisions
gutter_trash
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http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?binId=1.2491283
full 26 minute Justin Trudeau rally in Brampton
full 26 minute Justin Trudeau rally in Brampton
Couldn't we pull out off the TPP like Harper pulled us out of Kyoto?
BigJonsson
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The other signatories probably wouldn't be too happy with us and there would be actual economic consequences
In BC there are quite a few NDP vs Conservative ridings like Cowichan-Malahat-Lanford with previous election results like this:
Supposing the Liberal party continues to have good momentum and inches up in the national polls. What happens in this riding?
1. Poorly informed ABC voters read about Liberal momentum in Ontario and "strategically" vote Liberal, splitting the vote and bringing about a Conservative victory.
2. ABC voters realize they already have a non-Conservative incumbent, and stick with the same party that won last time. The NDP win and the Liberals make few unexpected gains in BC.
3. Conservative support drops enough that for ABC voters it doesn't matter who comes in second or third. Possibly the Liberals win due to NDP and Conservative switchers. The Liberal Party makes some unexpected gains in BC.
4. ?
Ridings like this are going to be really interesting to watch on election night.
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New Democratic 20,818 43.59%
Conservative 20,565 43.06%
Green 3,452 7.23%
Liberal 2,772 5.80%Supposing the Liberal party continues to have good momentum and inches up in the national polls. What happens in this riding?
1. Poorly informed ABC voters read about Liberal momentum in Ontario and "strategically" vote Liberal, splitting the vote and bringing about a Conservative victory.
2. ABC voters realize they already have a non-Conservative incumbent, and stick with the same party that won last time. The NDP win and the Liberals make few unexpected gains in BC.
3. Conservative support drops enough that for ABC voters it doesn't matter who comes in second or third. Possibly the Liberals win due to NDP and Conservative switchers. The Liberal Party makes some unexpected gains in BC.
4. ?
Ridings like this are going to be really interesting to watch on election night.
Tom Mulcair LIVE at 7:45 p.m. ET on CBC.ca is no work. 
Edit: Pops up a minute later. Go figure. And crashes 30 seconds after the edit lol
Edit: Pops up a minute later. Go figure. And crashes 30 seconds after the edit lol
One would have to know more about prior electoral history in that riding, I think. 6% is obviously pretty low in terms of Liberal vote, and so probably artificially low. But probably some of the Tory vote was previously Liberal too, so there's no way to state definitively who would benefit from resurgent Liberal support more.
Simon Belmont
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That is a good speech
I think it's the most exciting speech I've seen from anyone in the entire campaign.
Simon Belmont
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I like the "small minded Canada" line, but I've been a Lib forever.
I feel like NDP numbers are being overstated in these projections. The 'orange wave' seems like it was a fad.. I dunno, I just find it weird that Im getting told to vote NDP in my riding when theres literally no buzz on the candidate, and hes associated with the cab association which everyone hates in the city(theyve had some hilarious protests)
PumpkinSpice
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Let's all wait until we actually know what's in it. I'm expecting bad things but maybe we'll be lucky and it'll actually be a good deal.
They are still very strong in Quebec and they are also very strong in BC. Both places are helping increase there numbers overall.
I enjoyed "Stephen Harper has nothing to offer but fear itself".
I remember in the early days NAFTA benefitted the US way more than it did Canada and Mexico, but over time it went the other way. That's why you see many Americans calling for the repeal of NAFTA nowadays.
Well NZ is pushing super hard to open up the US market so it'd be easy for them to drop shit into our market as well. Sounds like it would hurt a lot of farmers here since our herd sizes are much lower compared to the giant corporate owned herds the kiwis have.
Shit like that kills me, such an environmental waste to ship shit so far that is just as good/easy to get locally.
Really. It's doesn't make that much sense to produce that much of a perishable product if you're half a planet away from the rest of the market.
pr0cs
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Yep the west is full of hillbillies and redneck cowboys. They just aren't capable of being enlightened by our eastern values.
I would definitely rather lower the price of dairy (helping all Canadians, but the poorest the most) than continue to shelter a few dairy farmers from competition. If Canadian dairy farmers can't compete with farmers who have to ship their product half-way across the world, well, I think that's much more an indictment of Canadian dairy farmers then anyone else really.
In theory, once exposed to competition, the Canadian dairy industry will be forced to become more efficient and productive. Given the advantage of having much lower shipping costs, I doubt a situation where we're importing a significant amount of fairy from New Zealand would last long. Realistically we might start getting most of our dairy from the US, depending on how much our dairy industry is able to improve. It's probably also worth noting that there are more countries signatory (potentially?) to the TPP than New Zealand, the US and Canada. I'd imagine the Kiwis are mostly looking to sell to these Asian countries with little land and many people (who they are much closer to geographically as well).
In case you haven't noticed I am supportive of free trade. I can't really comment to much on the TPP specifically since we don't even really know what's in it, but I'm not opposed to free trade. Personally, I think it's good news the TPP might be finally getting signed (this is maybe not a popular opinion here).
Buba Big Guns
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That was a great speech by Trudeau.
The east has plenty of farmers who vote conservative. The difference is that the economy of the prairies is reliant on the rural voters and oil money and they know it.
gutter_trash
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the East has Trailer Park Boys
PumpkinSpice
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They suck. Not that much of Dirtmouth is actually trailer park. Most if it is just ordinary ghetto.
firehawk12
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How can it be cheaper to sent milk from NZ to North America? I guess if we're going full price war with more and more public subsidies of farmers, but I thought that was generally considered illegal now.
Stumpokapow
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What do you mean by "Eastern" Canadians, lest you demonstrate the inverse of what you're saying?
Eh I would still buy Canadian dairy and meat, poultry and fish over other countries'.
There actually is a pretty big difference in terms of taste among other things.
After Canadian, I would buy American since it's almost the same.
You'll understand better if you've lived outside of Canada.
There actually is a pretty big difference in terms of taste among other things.
After Canadian, I would buy American since it's almost the same.
You'll understand better if you've lived outside of Canada.
I've had the pleasure of living in 5 different provinces because of a military career, so I've gotten a pretty good idea of how all parts of Canada think of the west. Quebec, Ontario, and the maritimes thinking Alberta is a bunch of redneck, religious, cowboys was annoyingly common. They really, really want to believe that western Canadians are like Texas Republicans. It's pretty funny.
Well, if anything, we BCers are kinda infamous for talking about Easterners as if we know everything about them.
killer rin
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Same, since I've grown up within rock throwing distance of the USA, I can easily tell the difference between Canadian and American foods. I find that in America the milk tastes more watered down, chicken tastes more bland (and somewhat rubbery) and I've found steaks to be more fatty too.
..not to mention I'm sure they would half-ass it and give us jugs of milk instead of our bio-degradable bags
Stumpokapow
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I like the token inclusion of the maritimes which still excludes Canada's actual easternmost province.
Newfoundland is the only province I've never spent any time in.
The other advantage of a military career was working with people from every province, including Newfoundlanders, so that was another way to get to know people.
Understanding the mindset of Quebec separatists was enlightening. Surprisingly similar to some people who think western provinces should separate.
To be fair, we think that of Alberta in BC too.
Buba Big Guns
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I know people from Alberta who think that lmao
AlphaTwo00
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Jumping in here to get a feel from the knowledgable folks: my riding (Thornhill) is a lock for Peter Kent, isn't it?
Gonzo The Great
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I'm voting for Mulcair just because he's opposed to the TPP. Whether or not that will matter is up for debate, but you couldn't pay me to vote for the other guys. Free trade is the biggest sham of the 21st century. They indoctrinate kids in school to believe that free trade is good because it has the word free in it, but all it does is benefit multinational corporations. And that concludes my rant, since, as an Elections Canada employee, I'm not allowed to engage in partisan activity during the election.
matthewwhatever
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It's not likely Mulcair loses his seat, but I just love that it's even a possibility -- it'd be like karmic justice for their Papineau polling shenanigans.
And re: trade, 1988 kind of showed that FTAs have the power to move some votes around. Not enough to launch a party into government, but enough to suggest that it has (or had) an audience. I think you're ultimately right, though -- there's just not enough time for it to become a major wedge issue, especially in the absence of any more debates.
I have to echo Tik's skepticism at this. The BC interior is just too staunchly Conservative for them to go anywhere else. Once upon a time the NDP may have battled the PCs or the Reform Party for those seats, but that was another era.
Where are you located?
We should all put forward our predictions -- not just for our local areas, but for the whole country. It might be neat to see how good our collective prognostication skills are.
One of the researchers from Mainstreet Polling tweeted this earlier this evening:
CPC below 50% in the polls there?
BigJonsson
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What qualifies as interesting numbers in Alberta? lol
gutter_trash
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that would explain why Duceppe and Harper see eye to eye on many subjects last debate
Didn't the CPC go below 50% multiple times before in Alberta.Even if they went below 50% support in that province I do not think it will affect their seat count much. Also, I think that mainstreet researcher may be referring to one of the two parties becoming more popular in either Calgary, Edmonton or Lethbridge since those areas seem to be having the most momentum for the other parties this election.I hope the interesting news is also one or both of the independent candidates in Alberta leading in their riding or gaining a ton of momentum in their riding right now.It will be even more interesting if the NDP takes over the conservatives in Alberta in the riding polls tomorrow.
matthewwhatever
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Anyone know how Tout le monde en parle went today? Is it going to cause another Orange Wave? When is Trudeau's appearance?
Some crazy pictures from the Liberal rally:
We need to have more massive rallies like this, from all parties. They just look really impressive.
I was joking. But yeah, I think that's probably it -- swings to the Liberals in Calgary or the NDP in Edmonton. Can't think of what else would be "interesting".
Some crazy pictures from the Liberal rally:
We need to have more massive rallies like this, from all parties. They just look really impressive.
I was joking.
But yeah, I think that's probably it -- swings to the Liberals in Calgary or the NDP in Edmonton. Can't think of what else would be "interesting".killer rin
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Two-way race between the Communist Party and the Marxist-Leninists Party?
Its probably something boring like Conservatives dropped a moderate-huge percentage of votes to someone else
BigJonsson
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killer rin
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Guilty as charged your honour. It was funny and needed repeatingYou stole that from Twitter
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