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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
killer rin said:
Use your knowledge of him to find a plank in the platforms he will be interested in.

-If he is under 30, pull the Marijuana card.
-If he is a student, pull the Liberals and NDP pledging to deal with the rising costs of education and Student Loan Interest/Repayment
-If he is a parent, pull the NDP card if their child is 5 or under, and the Liberal card if they are older
- If he is a big user of Public Transit, pull the Liberal plan to get more buses on the road and more subway lines
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lolwut
 
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whitehawk

Banned
subrock said:
sounds like he might be interested in the parties' stances on marijuana legalization
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killer rin said:
Use your knowledge of him to find a plank in the platforms he will be interested in.

-If he is under 30, pull the Marijuana card.
-If he is a student, pull the Liberals and NDP pledging to deal with the rising costs of education and Student Loan Interest/Repayment
-If he is a parent, pull the NDP card if their child is 5 or under, and the Liberal card if they are older
- If he is a big user of Public Transit, pull the Liberal plan to get more buses on the road and more subway lines

The goal isn't to spew the entire platform at them, but to find a single key feature that will make him pause for a moment. Once he pauses, you have an in to say secondary things that they can have if they vote.
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Why didn't I think of that. He smokes all the time. Totally forgot.
 
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Saprol

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Didn't get anything in the mail by Oct 1st. Elections Canada site says I'm registered and pretty sure I voted in the previous federal election. At least the site tells me where our district poll is.

Vancouver South has a Conservative incumbent. Probably voting Liberal again because they had more support than NDP last time.
 
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subrock

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Saprol said:
Didn't get anything in the mail by Oct 1st. Elections Canada site says I'm registered and pretty sure I voted in the previous federal election. At least the site tells me where our district poll is.

Vancouver South has a Conservative incumbent. Probably voting Liberal again because they had more support than NDP last time.
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doesn't even matter if you're registered. They can do it when you go to the polling station.
 
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NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
IceIpor said:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/advanced-poll-numbers-1.3266556

So, apparently advance poll turnout is higher than the last two elections.
Hopefully it's because people are trying their upmost to get rid of Harper.
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I don't know. This photo from that article doesn't look al that encouraging :p

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mo60

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Sean C said:
In any instance where the governing party is reduced to a minority (or is elected to another minority), the other parties always have the option of voting them out of office on the speech from the throne. They mostly don't, whether because the opposition parties don't agree or else they consider it politically inopportune to do so. But it does happen. That's what David Peterson and Bob Rae did in Ontario in 1985, leading to Peterson's Liberals taking office with the backing of the Rae New Democrats.

King's government in 1925 did pass a speech from the throne at the beginning of the session. They'd been running the House of Commons for several months before they were defeated on a confidence matter -- hence, why King believed he deserved a dissolution. Had he been defeated right out of the gate, there'd have been no question that Meighen was entitled to attempt to form a government.

Thing is, when faced with foes in the legislature that outnumber you and with the power and intent to compel your resignation, most minority governments will not even attempt to stay, and resign without the need for conflict.


I was looking at Harper's Cabinet, guessing at who is in danger of being defeated, since Joe Oliver is clearly the highest-profile example. Amongst the full ministers, I counted Oliver, Leona Aglukkaq (Nunavut), Gail Shea (Egmont), Kerry-Lynne Findlay (Delta), Greg Rickford (Kenora), Chris Alexander (Ajax), and Bernard Valcourt (Madawaska-Restigouche) as the most likely to go.
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It would be awesome if the liberals beat all those cabinet ministers, but it's unlikely because I bet you a few of those cabinet ministers will survive.
 
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Deadly

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In my riding, NDP and Liberals are pretty much tied to win, it could go either way. Should I vote for the Liberals since they seem to have a bigger chance of winning it? Or it really doesn't matter here?
 
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Ondore

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Deadly said:
In my riding, NDP and Liberals are pretty much tied to win, it could go either way. Should I vote for the Liberals since they seem to have a bigger chance of winning it? Or it really doesn't matter here?
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If you're voting to get rid of Harper, I can see going Liberal just to ensure they get the seat. I'm in a similar riding and went Liberal, but that was because I appreciate the honesty of admitting you're going to run a deficit.
 
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wachie

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Went to the advance poll yesterday, my riding is Liberal strong. Voting for Liberal even though NDP aligns me the most since I don't want to split the vote.

As me and my mom were in the line, a lady approached us (mom wears hijab not niqab out of her own choice) and said "we support you, just want to let you know not all people are like that. We need to get rid of that scum Harper". We were like thank you and she left. After that everyone in the line started talking how Harper screwed Canada. One man kept giving dirty looks to my Mom so you can probably guess how he voted. Still a very interesting experience to say the least.

Go Canada, vote smart.
 
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Zzoram

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What happened to cause this recent Liberal surge in the polls? They were 3rd a couple of weeks ago and nothing of note seems to have happened in the campaign except Harper bringing up the niqab, and I thought that initially helped Harper.
 
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Kabuki Quantum Lover

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Zzoram said:
What happened to cause this recent Liberal surge in the polls? They were 3rd a couple of weeks ago and nothing of note seems to have happened in the campaign except Harper bringing up the niqab, and I thought that initially helped Harper.
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Probably the fact that the Liberals look like they can help the ABC cause better than the NDP.
 
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Simon Belmont

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Zzoram said:
What happened to cause this recent Liberal surge in the polls? They were 3rd a couple of weeks ago and nothing of note seems to have happened in the campaign except Harper bringing up the niqab, and I thought that initially helped Harper.
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Trudeau has performed best in debates and his ads and speeches since the last debate have garnered him a lot of goodwill. I think there's a general sense that the NDP isn't going to get the job done, and people find Mulcair off putting.

I think it's gutter_trash that keep saying you don't doubt Trudeau or Harper's bonafides when it comes to their respective parties, but Mulcair just seems to make a poor Dipper. I think there's something to that.

Edit: Thinking about it, the NDP played it too safe, too. People were ready for change and they ran a campaign that was essentially "we'll try not to rock the boat too hard".
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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Ondore said:
If you're voting to get rid of Harper, I can see going Liberal just to ensure they get the seat. I'm in a similar riding and went Liberal, but that was because I appreciate the honesty of admitting you're going to run a deficit.
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that and you know investing when interest rates are low to create jobs and whatnot is pretty much economics 101.

I'm a fan of basic economics. Thus I shall vote liberal.

Simon Belmont said:
Edit: Thinking about it, the NDP played it too safe, too. People were ready for change and they ran a campaign that was essentially "we'll try not to rock the boat too hard".
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I'm not going to lie, I had to read the platforms to even understand what the NDPs plan was. I could not tell at all from the debates and stuff. Not as hardcore as some of you though.
 
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oneils

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killer rin said:
Just remember, the Ontario Liberal Party is not the Liberal Party of Canada. They are different entities; and as an Ontarian myself, as much as I hate to admit it, our fellow people tend to dislike having the same Provincial Party as the Federal Party, even if they are only related by name only.

In addition, just remember. After this election FPTP will be gone and whether AV or MMP, we will finally be able to vote for what we actually believe in.... even more so if we get MMP because the Greens will be able to finally get the rightful amount of seats in the house that they deserve, and thus be more likely to pass through things we need like Basic Income for the disabled.
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Why will fptp be gone? A lot has to fall into place for that to happen. I'm pretty sceptical. I don't think any of these parties will be able to keep their promises, especially if we have a minorty government.
 
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sikkinixx

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Simon Belmont said:
Trudeau has performed best in debates and his ads and speeches since the last debate have garnered him a lot of goodwill. I think there's a general sense that the NDP isn't going to get the job done, and people find Mulcair off putting.

I think it's gutter_trash that keep saying you don't doubt Trudeau or Harper's bonafides when it comes to their respective parties, but Mulcair just seems to make a poor Dipper. I think there's something to that.

Edit: Thinking about it, the NDP played it too safe, too. People were ready for change and they ran a campaign that was essentially "we'll try not to rock the boat too hard".
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This is what did the BC NDP in last provincial election. Everyone thought that the Liberals were cooked and Dix would just into government. It was just a safe "we don't wanna fuck this up" campaign

Election day rolls around lo and behold, Christy Clark pulls out the win. Luckily federally there is another party to pick from.
 
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GuessMyUserName

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Kud Dukan said:
Voted yesterday in Burlington. Now the waiting begins.
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Heh I'm in Burlington for the thanksgiving weekend... I'll be soooo happy and amazed if we can get Cons out of here. Even in elementary school I remember kids supporting Harper and teasing the teacher for his "wasted vote" for NDP

Recently I've noticed one of them on facebook standing with Harper and his wife, turns out he works for the federal government now and all he shares is pro-Harper and anti-Liberal/NDP stuff woooo
 
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gutter_trash

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Dissonance said:
lol have any of you guys seen this Facebook event? https://www.facebook.com/events/1664887353757502/

For what it's worth all the polls on it have Liberals leading by a lot.
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wanna laugh? look at the "In what region is your riding?" poll, look at the last selection at the bottom ;)
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Yesterday's Forum Poll:
http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/... News Release (2015 10 10) Forum Research.pdf

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LPC: 37%, CPC: 31%   NDP: 23%,  Green: 3%,  Bloc:5%

seat projections:
LPC 145, CPC 116, NDP 69. Bloc 7, GRN 1
 
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gutter_trash

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Bisnic said:
According to your article, this all started on Facebook by a woman from Longueuil and the "masked" votes are multiplying around the province.

Love your Quebec city generalization hate by the way.
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any region that sheepishly turns off the brains a listens to what the sheep dog tells them to do, not much esteem for them
 
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MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
Oddly enough, one of the bigger reasons I can't wait for Election Day is that I want to finally stop obsessing over these things already, regardless of the result.
 
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Tuck

Member
I live in a neighbourhood thats basically guaranteed to vote Conservative, so I feel like my vote is gonna be meaningless. But I'm gonna vote anyways. NDP or Liberal though, thats I'm not sure.
 
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matthewwhatever

Member
subrock said:
the population in Victoria is 300k, and Rankin is a lock, so I wouldn't use this as a great indicator
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Rankin barely beat the Greens last time, and there's a lot of bad blood between the Greens and NDP there. Couple that with the fact the Liberal candidate there dropped out, and I can see the Greens pulling it off.

MMarston said:
Okay, this was a great Liberal ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD5FAzvltpI&feature=youtu.be
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Nice. If they're trying to close the deal with that, I think it could work.

Simon Belmont said:
Trudeau has performed best in debates and his ads and speeches since the last debate have garnered him a lot of goodwill. I think there's a general sense that the NDP isn't going to get the job done, and people find Mulcair off putting.

I think it's gutter_trash that keep saying you don't doubt Trudeau or Harper's bonafides when it comes to their respective parties, but Mulcair just seems to make a poor Dipper. I think there's something to that.

Edit: Thinking about it, the NDP played it too safe, too. People were ready for change and they ran a campaign that was essentially "we'll try not to rock the boat too hard".
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This covers it. The NDP badly estimated the campaign tone, and were stuck with a leader and a platform that didn't play to their strengths.

Plus the Liberals were leading for much of the year leading up to the campaign, so they really just had to win back voters who had already been considering them. The NDP was trying to win over new voters entirely.
 
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AlexMeloche

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Bisnic said:
According to your article, this all started on Facebook by a woman from Longueuil and the "masked" votes are multiplying around the province.

Love your Quebec city generalization hate by the way.
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gutter_trash said:
any region that sheepishly turns off the brains a listens to what the sheep dog tells them to do, not much esteem for them
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Sadly this is all around the province (even though I'm sure it's worse in Québec City).

Adib Alkhalidey (the comedian) did a post about this stupid shit on his FB page, and there's thousands of hateful/racist/xenophobic comments and messages against him. :(
 
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