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[MMarston]

Happy Thanksgiving!

Last week of the longest Canadian campaign!

All Conservatives, NDP, Liberals gonna be all like

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Just came back from volunteering at the Trudeau rally here in Nepean.

This guy is popular as fuck. Last minute rally with probably over a thousand people. He's going to win huge with immigrants in Ontario I think.

 

[killer rin]

All Conservatives, NDP, Liberals gonna be all like

ETA 7 days

 

[Zombie James]

Nanos for this morning

Would prefer to see the NPD second but this is very good.

 

[Sapiens]

Would prefer to see the NPD second but this is very good.

Personally I would like to see the ndp even lower. Don't like left wing politics at all.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Personally I would like to see the ndp even lower. Don't like left wing politics at all.

The current conservative party needs to be erased. They need to go back to being PC.

 

[Savitar]

I don't care anymore as long as Harper is gone.

 

[IISANDERII]

I read that due to Harper's budget cuts, queue times at polling stations have increased significantly since last election. So be prepared to wait.

 

[Vamphuntr]

Nanos for this morning

Pretty good. Seems we might get rid of Harper after all! Too bad we'll be stuck with Justin though.

 

[gutter_trash]

Pretty good. Seems we might get rid of Harper after all! Too bad we'll be stuck with Justin though.

What is wrong with Trudeau? Please enlighten us?

Mulcair is running a Provincial campaign while Trudeau is running a Federal campaign

Mulcair should go back to provincial politics because he doesn't seem to be able to think outside the provincial box.

 

[killer rin]

Pretty good. Seems we might get rid of Harper after all! Too bad we'll be stuck with Justin though.

Other than his stance on C-51, Whats wrong with Trudeau? I'd much prefer him to Harper, hell; I voted for the guy in the Liberal Leadership race.

 

[Vamphuntr]

What is wrong with Trudeau? Please enlighten us?

Mulcair is running a Provincial campaign while Trudeau is running a Federal campaign

Mulcair should go back to provincial politics because he doesn't seem to be able to think outside the provincial box.

He's for TPP which will force Canadian ISP to block websites not complying with the law, increase the length of patent on drugs and mess with copyright law. Fuck censorship and increasing the price on medications for the needy.

 

[NYR]

Pretty good. Seems we might get rid of Harper after all! Too bad we'll be stuck with Justin though.

Trudeau has shown more optimism and vision for this country than anyone, you're greatly mistaken. If your only problem is with TPP, get off Reddit and focus on other issues that haven't already been decided and negotiated on for years by people not associated with Trudeau.

 

[Stet]

He's for TPP which will force Canadian ISP to block websites not complying with the law, increase the length of patent on drugs and mess with copyright law. Fuck censorship and increasing the price on medications for the needy.

He's not necessarily for TPP. The Liberals are for reviewing TPP thoroughly. It's hard to be for TPP when until the Wikileaks thing, nobody really knew what was in it except the people who signed it.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

He's for TPP which will force Canadian ISP to block websites not complying with the law, increase the length of patent on drugs and mess with copyright law. Fuck censorship and increasing the price on medications for the needy.

I dont think Trudeau has taken a firm position on TPP yet. The deal does look like complete shit though.

 

[NYR]

He's not necessarily for TPP. The Liberals are for reviewing TPP thoroughly. It's hard to be for TPP when until the Wikileaks thing, nobody really knew what was in it except the people who signed it.

I dont think Trudeau has taken a firm position on TPP yet. The deal does look like complete shit though.

Correct on both ends. He hasn't taken a firm position nor should anyone without reading the entire thing. Here is his statement:

“The Trans-Pacific Partnership stands to remove trade barriers, widely expand free trade for Canada, and increase opportunities for our middle class and those working hard to join it. Liberals will take a responsible approach to thoroughly examining the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The Harper Conservatives have failed to be transparent through the entirety of the negotiations – especially in regards to what Canada is conceding in order to be accepted into this partnership.

The government has an obligation to be open and honest about the negotiation process, and immediately share all the details of any agreement. Canadians deserve to know what impacts this agreement will have on different industries across our country. The federal government must keep its word and defend Canadian interests during the TPP’s ratification process – which includes defending supply management, our auto sector, and Canadian manufacturers across the country.

“If the Liberal Party of Canada earns the honour of forming a government after October 19th, we will hold a full and open public debate in Parliament to ensure Canadians are consulted on this historic trade agreement.”.

https://www.liberal.ca/statement-by...tin-trudeau-on-the-trans-pacific-partnership/

 

[gutter_trash]

He's for TPP which will force Canadian ISP to block websites not complying with the law, increase the length of patent on drugs and mess with copyright law. Fuck censorship and increasing the price on medications for the needy.

Mulcair will say anything.

on policy, he copy pastes anything that he likes from the Quebec Liberal Party and from the Parti Quebecois provincially and shoves into his NDP platform. Heck, he borrowed more from Pauline Marois' social programs provincially to shoe horn it Federally.

This same Mulcair you talk about? the guy who wanted to export water in bulk and praised Thatcher with her wind of Encomic Liberalsim across the UK talk. That Mulcair?

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Just came back from volunteering at the Trudeau rally here in Nepean.

This guy is popular as fuck. Last minute rally with probably over a thousand people. He's going to win huge with immigrants in Ontario I think.

When was this announced? I might have gone if I had known it was happening.

 

[NYR]

Mulcair will say anything.

Yep. One thing I've taken away from this election is he is no Jack Layton, he really just says the windiest promises with not backup. He seems to be an extremist and his take on Quebec is insulting to Canadians.

 

[jstripes]

just to calm some people having fear

While we are hoping for a liberal or NDP government... if harper wins a minority, the libs and NDP will form a coalition, forcing harper out.

It's all but certain to happen this time around if the election doesn't pan out.

The Liberals and NDP don't even need to form an actual coalition for the GG to put them in charge.

The NDP just needs to promise to support a Liberal platform, usually in exchange for some concessions.

Nanos for this morning

That's promising, but we'll see what Harper pulls out of his bag of tricks in the next 7 days.

 

[NYR]

That's promising, but we'll see what Harper pulls out of his bag of tricks in the next 7 days.

Terrorist attack from a pot smoking niqab wearing gay atheist who blew up ATMs through the use of pirated software to prevent the TFSA increase. No deaths, of course, can't risk losing any fearful voters.

 

[gutter_trash]

Yep. One thing I've taken away from this election is he is no Jack Layton, he really just says the windiest promises with not backup. He seems to be an extremist and his take on Quebec is insulting to Canadians.

when you compare his statements from the 80s, 90s, 2000s and today, he comes off as an ambulance chasing lawyer who has his nose deep into argumentation more than actually being coherent on his positions and values.

 

[Vamphuntr]

Mulcair will say anything.

on policy, he copy pastes anything that he likes from the Quebec Liberal Party and from the Parti Quebecois provincially and shoves into his NDP platform. Heck, he borrowed more from Pauline Marois' social programs provincially to shoe horn it Federally.

This same Mulcair you talk about? the guy who wanted to export water in bulk and praised Thatcher with her wind of Encomic Liberalsim across the UK talk. That Mulcair?

Yep. One thing I've taken away from this election is he is no Jack Layton, he really just says the windiest promises with not backup. He seems to be an extremist and his take on Quebec is insulting to Canadians.

You don't have to explain to me about how an hypocrite he is, haha. He can't even say the same thing in French and English (pipeline). He's also trying to pander to people here in QC while he fought them during his Alliance Québec stunt. The only thing I respect a lot is that even with all the pressure he didn't change his stance on the Niqab garbage even though it's going to make him lose. He pretty much tainted Layton's legacy by trying to pull the party towards center imo.

Is Trudeau Chief of Staff still that lobbyist for the Oil industry?

I voted Green so I didn't vote for any of the big 3 anyway.

 

[Tabris]

TPP is a really unfortunate situation for us.

I don't agree with the TPP, specifically the Pharma patents and closed internet, but if America and Japan pass it in their representative governments - we are forced to take it otherwise suffer losing out on a huge market.

Unlike NAFTA which we could have controlled not being in, because then it would just be a trade agreement between US and Mexico, and the US would still have had to trade with us. This is something we cannot.

So the hope is a Liberal government will be able to potentially negotiate some concessions around things Pharma patents for Canada - or that it doesn't make it through America and/or Japan's governments.

But to actually outright refuse the TPP would be a disaster for Canada.

 

[gutter_trash]

and that Alliance Quebec phase. One moment he is for linguistic equality but then as an NDP Leader he wants Bill 101 for Federal Institutions inside Quebec just to steal votes from the Bloc.

it's like a 180 degree position on a wedge issue that divides linguistic minorities in Montreal vs the the francophone majority that rules the Provincial political class.

can't blame minorities inside Montreal to support Trudeau over Mulcair due to Mulcair's many 180s on many issues.

 

[shadowkat]

In line to vote.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

If the Liberals come out on top, they'll either stall on electoral reform, or want to implement a system (ranked candidate votes) that favours them, as corrupt as that is - just how the Conservatives don't want reform as the current system favours them.

The most important thing to pressure the Liberals into doing is adopting an equitable election system that removes the representative failure the current system represents. That would appear to be PR? I haven't examined it closely though.

Yeah, I hope they do like Germany and bring the PR to a vote to party members at some Liberal Party Assembly. We desperately need PR (and not AV). We don't want another decade of Conservatives that have 100% of the power with 35% of the vote.

 

[Zombie James]

Personally I would like to see the ndp even lower. Don't like left wing politics at all.

From Mike Harris to Rob Ford to Stephen Harper, I can safely say no political ideology is more harmful and damaging than conservatism.

 

[Entropia]

I did my part - voted about 45 minutes ago. Waited in line for about 20-25 minutes.

 

[Stet]

Can't decide whether to vote today or next week. Next week the polls are in my building and there's no chance I'll be held up enough to prevent me from casting.

Today it's at a school down the street and there will likely be lines.

 

[TheRealTalker]

I was leaning on the NDP but I voted Liberal due to strategic voting

but Liberals have some good things I like in their lists of things so I wouldn't mind

 

[Umibozu]

From Mike Harris to Rob Ford to Stephen Harper, I can safely say no political ideology is more harmful and damaging than conservatism.

I fully agree with this statement.
If/when trudeau wins, I want him to start off by saying ''Our long national nightmare is over''

 

[balohna]

At this point I won't be bothered by a Liberal government, but I'm still voting NDP. They're more likely to win in my riding, but regardless of that I prefer their platform over the other parties. Beyond just policies or spending, I trust Mulcair and the NDP to make choices on the world stage that benefit average Canadians.

The Liberal platform isn't the worst, but supporting C-51 is a huge strike and I don't really want a 6th straight Liberal PM spawned out of an old boys club from 50 years ago. I'd rather give the NDP a chance than pass the keys back to the old establishment.

I live in BC though, I know the Liberal image is different out East. I'm actually surprised the Liberals are doing so well out here right now - it often feels like more of a Conservative vs. NDP contest out here.

 

[Cake Boss]

Nanos for this morning

Unpacks luggage to the Netherlands.

 

[Samyy]

Unpacks luggage to the Netherlands.

I wouldn't unpack until the thing is over, I'm not trusting anything.

 

[Cake Boss]

That's promising, but we'll see what Harper pulls out of his bag of tricks in the next 7 days.

“Here’s the deal: every time you vote for me , I will send you $40!”

 

[massivekettle]

Didn't plan on voting, but given the current state of affairs, I have decided to send my application for overseas citizens.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Unpacks luggage to the Netherlands.

Geert Wilders would like to have a word with you.

When was this announced? I might have gone if I had known it was happening.

Like early yesterday. Crazy how many people came out in such short notice.

 

[firehawk12]

Nanos for this morning

1094 people picked up the phone over the holidays to do a voting intent survey? I think that's the most shocking news.

 

[Apathy]

“Here’s the deal: every time you vote for me , I will send you $40!”

Rob and Doug Ford already do that, so I wouldn't put it past the conservatives to do something like that

 

[Sapiens]

The current conservative party needs to be erased. They need to go back to being PC.

I agree. Canada now more than ever needs to move away from political extremes.

 

[MMarston]

Even though I'm a pretty moderate Liberal, I'd be so down for the PCs to comeback.

 

[UberTag]

I wouldn't unpack until the thing is over, I'm not trusting anything.

Yeah, I don't trust anything. Current polls are just setting us up for even more disappointment if Harper gets re-elected.

 

[Tabris]

Even though I'm a pretty moderate Liberal, I'd be so down for the PCs to comeback.

Liberals aren't moderate anymore. NDP are.

NDP and Liberals swapped in this election, the new political spectrum is:

Green <--- Liberals <--- NDP ---> Where PC used to be ---> Conservatives

We'll see how it goes after election, but the platforms are on that political spectrum overall (some NDP platform items are extreme left but most are moderate / centrist)

 

[6.8]

The current conservative party needs to be erased. They need to go back to being PC.

And bring back Joe Clark.

 

[Tabris]

Extreme politics seems to be everywhere in the western world though.

I think it's due to the following:

- Corporate Interest Pressure
- People impressionable from American media
- Xenophobia at all time high
- Population demographics: There's more older people then ever before due to our current population growth (or lack of) and healthcare. Those older people tend to be selfish, impressionable, and thus very conservative. Oh, and they vote more.

Here's a gif to understand the population demographic issue (the "tidal wave"). Once these people die off we'll be fine, but until then, we'll be going through same kind of crisis as Japan in terms of societal costs - even more so due to universal healthcare. We gotta hope for a solid economy during it or just get used to paying our way through it.

 

[Tabris]

Oh, and the real funny (and ironic) thing is - how do we offset this population wave? Immigration.

These conservative older people are voting against the thing that will help fund their social services and healthcare.

We could use a lot of Syrian refugees over the next decade honestly.

EDIT - The only people that seem to understand this is the Germans but even they are getting a lot of Xenophobia pushback in their country.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Even though I'm a pretty moderate Liberal, I'd be so down for the PCs to comeback.

Yep. As a former PCer, I'm basically a Liberal by default. It'd be nice to have someone else as a fallback just in case.

I wouldn't unpack until the thing is over, I'm not trusting anything.

Exactly. The last several elections -- federally and provincially -- have been proof that you can't trust most polls.

At this point I won't be bothered by a Liberal government, but I'm still voting NDP. They're more likely to win in my riding, but regardless of that I prefer their platform over the other parties. Beyond just policies or spending, I trust Mulcair and the NDP to make choices on the world stage that benefit average Canadians.

Mulcair would be a disaster from a foreign affairs perspective. He's too prone to flying off the handle at every perceived slight. Considering how abysmally we've handled our foreign affairs relationships for the last ten years, that's the absolute last thing we need.

Just came back from volunteering at the Trudeau rally here in Nepean.

This guy is popular as fuck. Last minute rally with probably over a thousand people. He's going to win huge with immigrants in Ontario I think.

In Barrhaven, too! If those voters are going Liberal, that's a good sign for next week.

 

[mo60]

Voting today. Still haven't decided who I want to vote for, but it's most likely going to be Liberal or independent now. I want to vote liberal, but I just don't want to split the vote more than it already is if the independent candidate has a better shot of winning the riding then the liberal candidate even though it looks likely the conservatives are definitely going to win the riding.I still hope the Liberals win this election. Also, I wouldn't trust nanos anymore completely since conservative voters may not be responding to nanos anymore since they may have already voted.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Voting today. Still haven't decided who I want to vote for, but it's most likely going to be Liberal or independent now. I want to vote liberal, but I just don't want to split the vote more than it already is if the independent candidate has a better shot of winning the riding then the liberal candidate even though it looks likely the conservatives are definitely going to win the riding.I still hope the Liberals win this election. Also, I wouldn't trust nanos anymore completely since conservative voters may not be responding to nanos anymore since they may have already voted.

Why would that be true for conservative voters and not people voting for other parties?