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[Morrigan Stark]

and that Alliance Quebec phase. One moment he is for linguistic equality but then as an NDP Leader he wants Bill 101 for Federal Institutions inside Quebec just to steal votes from the Bloc.

That Alliance Québec phase was 32 fucking years ago. Might as well hold Gilles Duceppe's membership in the Worker's Communist Party against him. Mulcair is bilingual, married to a French woman and holds a dual citizenship with France by marriage, you think he's a stealth francophobe because of that short Alliance Québec phase? Fucking lol.

I am not worried about Mulcair being Prime Minister and I'm not worried that he'll suddenly screw over Québec once he'd be in power or anything.
In fact I'd rather have him over Trudeau, at least he doesn't support Bill C-51.

At this point I won't be bothered by a Liberal government, but I'm still voting NDP. They're more likely to win in my riding, but regardless of that I prefer their platform over the other parties. Beyond just policies or spending, I trust Mulcair and the NDP to make choices on the world stage that benefit average Canadians.

The Liberal platform isn't the worst, but supporting C-51 is a huge strike and I don't really want a 6th straight Liberal PM spawned out of an old boys club from 50 years ago. I'd rather give the NDP a chance than pass the keys back to the old establishment.

Same here.

 

[Tabris]

NDP should get Keifer Sutherland to run lol

They need a leader with charisma. Not angry Tom.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I prefer Angry Tom over Justin's phony smiles. *shrugs* If I had to fight Harper I'd be angry too.

 

[Pedrito]

With a week to go, I'm starting to relax a bit as it appears as if we'll avoid the worst case scenario unless something cataclysmic happens.

A part of me whishes for a conservatives minority just to see how everything would unfold. Harper being defeated by a coalition of some sort would be delicious but then again, I don't really trust Trudeau and Mulcair 100%. Who knows what they'll do when Harper starts repeating that coalitions are undemocratic.

 

[Tabris]

I prefer Angry Tom over Justin's phony smiles. *shrugs* If I had to fight Harper I'd be angry too.

Why do you think they are phoney?

If you took him at face value without the Liberal party background and family ties, wouldn't you think he was charismatic?

 

[gutter_trash]

I prefer Angry Tom over Justin's phony smiles. *shrugs* If I had to fight Harper I'd be angry too.

Lol look who is talking about phony smiles

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Why do you think they are phoney?

Everything about him oozes "fake". Watching him at the debates just rubbed me the wrong way, even when he was saying sensible things. It was somehow worse when he was speaking French.

I am not worried about him being PM, mind (again #anyonebutharper) and I don't think he'll "ruin the country", but I just dislike him.

Lol look who is talking about phony smiles

Sure, Mulcair's smiles look fake too, but that's because people complained so much about "Angry Tom" that he's trying, unsuccessfully, to change his image. He should stick to Angry Tom really.

 

[Tabris]

I don't understand what seems phoney to you about it? What gives you that impression?

Maybe Canadians aren't used to charismatic leaders after our last couple (Harper, Martin, Chretian)

 

[AuthenticM]

Harper has the phoniest of phony smiles, by a country mile.

 

[maharg]

Harper has the phoniest of phony smiles, by a country mile.

Oh no, when he thinks he's got the advantage his smile is all too real. That's what's disturbing about it.

 

[BigJonsson]

I don't understand what seems phoney to you about it? What gives you that impression?

Maybe Canadians aren't used to charismatic leaders after our last couple (Harper, Martin, Chretian)

Chretien was super charismatic in his own way

 

[Tabris]

Chretien was super charismatic in his own way

lol I agree but you get what I mean by the fact you have to say "in his own way".

 

[Yaranaika]

I did my part this afternoon and persuaded my Father and siblings to vote Liberal as well.
We can't lose.

 

[Parch]

I am not worried about Mulcair being Prime Minister and I'm not worried that he'll suddenly screw over Québec once he'd be in power or anything.
In fact I'd rather have him over Trudeau, at least he doesn't support Bill C-51.

It hasn't been a good campaign by Mulcair so it's unlikely the NDP have a chance beyond another decent amount of representation. But I'm also pretty skeptical about the polls so we'll see how it goes. It is looking good that the main objective of replacing Harper is going to happen. The "change is needed" belief seems strong.

I'm not fond of the Liberal platform much, but if it is Trudeau, that's OK. I just hope Justin is nothing like Pierre. Canada is not going to like it if he is.

 

[gutter_trash]

I don't understand what seems phoney to you about it? What gives you that impression?

Maybe Canadians aren't used to charismatic leaders after our last couple (Harper, Martin, Chretian)

Here in Quebec they are used to angry leaders who do pissing contests on who is more nationalist

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I don't understand what seems phoney to you about it? What gives you that impression?

Haven't you watched the debates? He seemed to just carefully parrot talking points, almost like he was reading them from a teleprompter, without any sincerity whatsoever. It wasn't as bad when he was speaking English for some reason, but I heard no genuine passion in the French debates.

Maybe Canadians aren't used to charismatic leaders after our last couple (Harper, Martin, Chretian)

Here in Quebec they are used to angry leaders who do pissing contests on who is more nationalist

lol nice try but no, that's not it.

 

[Tabris]

I'm not fond of the Liberal platform much

What don't you like about it? I'm always surprised when people say this as on paper the Liberal platform is amazing for anyone that's left leaning - only better platform is the Green party.

I understand not trusting it being implemented, but definitely don't understand someone that's left leaning not liking it on paper.

 

[killer rin]

Haven't you watched the debates? He seemed to just carefully parrot talking points, almost like he was reading them from a teleprompter, without any sincerity whatsoever. It wasn't as bad when he was speaking English for some reason, but I heard no genuine passion in the French debates.



lol nice try but no, that's not it.

Did you see the Munk debate? That was no teleprompters and no speech cards... completely off by hand. In every other debate, speech cards were allowed, and Trudeau used them liberally... although even without the speech cards in Munk, he managed to beat the other leaders hands down.

 

[Azzanadra]

It hasn't been a good campaign by Mulcair so it's unlikely the NDP have a chance beyond another decent amount of representation. But I'm also pretty skeptical about the polls so we'll see how it goes. It is looking good that the main objective of replacing Harper is going to happen. The "change is needed" belief seems strong.

I'm not fond of the Liberal platform much, but if it is Trudeau, that's OK. I just hope Justin is nothing like Pierre. Canada is not going to like it if he is.

What was wrong with Pierre? Genuinely curious as he was before my time. From what I have read, I think I would have liked him. He seemed very blunt and straightforward, and also enforced an image of Canadian nationalism which to be honest we could use right now after Harper "Americanized" Canada.

 

[lamaroo]

Haven't you watched the debates? He seemed to just carefully parrot talking points, almost like he was reading them from a teleprompter, without any sincerity whatsoever. It wasn't as bad when he was speaking English for some reason, but I heard no genuine passion in the French debates.



lol nice try but no, that's not it.

I didn't like how he came off in the first two debates I watched either, he put on his "acting" voice, but that big rally he had recently was terrific. Spoke with passion, and handled the crowd really well.

 

[Parch]

What don't you like about it?

I just have more preference for the NDP platform. Plus I've had little reason to have respect or faith in the Liberal party before.

I thought it was a fairly common opinion that Trudeau did a terrible job in the debates, but very few Canadians actually watched the debates.

 

[Hilti92]

Just voted for the first time today. Advanced voting is the way to go to beat the lines!

 

[gutter_trash]

lol nice try but no, that's not it.

PKP this past week, LOL

 

[Tabris]

I just have more preference for the NDP platform.

But you said you weren't fond of it - not that you preferred the NDP platform more.

What aren't you fond of in the Liberal platform? I'm really interested in your answer on this as I keep seeing this comment from NDP voters who are left leaning. I understand the trust thing but this one doesn't make sense to me and would love specifics from you.

And it's definitely not a common opinion that Trudeau did a bad job in the debates. First debate for example - I thought he was 2nd to May.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

PKP gif

I don't know what that means. If you're suggesting that I'm a fan of PKP, then fucking lol. I can assure you I hate him far more than Trudeau.

 

[NetMapel]

Did you see the Munk debate? That was no teleprompters and no speech cards... completely off by hand. In every other debate, speech cards were allowed, and Trudeau used them liberally... although even without the speech cards in Munk, he managed to beat the other leaders hands down.

His Munk debate is the one where I was poking fun of Trudeau for being so angry all the time. That is definitely not a sign of a very well rehearsed or whatever talking points that some of you guys mentioned before. By contrast, Mulcair and Harper definitely seemed a lot more composed and rehearsed. Not saying one is better than the other. Just something I noticed. I think Trudeau is trying for that whole Obama positivity/passion vibe, so I guess that's pretty nice.

 

[gutter_trash]

I don't know what that means. If you're suggesting that I'm a fan of PKP, then fucking lol. I can assure you I hate him far more than Trudeau.

my point was to contrast the angry and confrontational nature of our political class provincially contrasted to the poised positive hopeful demeanor of Justin Trudeau on the Federal scene.

 

[Vibranium]

At this point I won't be bothered by a Liberal government, but I'm still voting NDP. They're more likely to win in my riding, but regardless of that I prefer their platform over the other parties. Beyond just policies or spending, I trust Mulcair and the NDP to make choices on the world stage that benefit average Canadians.

The Liberal platform isn't the worst, but supporting C-51 is a huge strike and I don't really want a 6th straight Liberal PM spawned out of an old boys club from 50 years ago. I'd rather give the NDP a chance than pass the keys back to the old establishment.

I live in BC though, I know the Liberal image is different out East. I'm actually surprised the Liberals are doing so well out here right now - it often feels like more of a Conservative vs. NDP contest out here.

See, I'm from BC too and traditionally NDP, but I hate Mulcair as a leader. Since you're from the same province as me, we should both hope Nathan Cullen gets the top job next, since he's from here. Not as angry as Mulcair and hopefully will be willing to work with Trudeau.

I'm voting Green strategically for Elizabeth May.

 

[gutter_trash]

See, I'm from BC too and traditionally NDP, but I hate Mulcair as a leader. Since you're from the same province as me, we should both hope Nathan Cullen gets the top job next, since he's from here. Not as angry as Mulcair and hopefully will be willing to work with Trudeau.

I'm voting Green strategically for Elizabeth May.

mais Nathan Cullen ne parle pas français

 

[matthewwhatever]

I just have more preference for the NDP platform. Plus I've had little reason to have respect or faith in the Liberal party before.

I thought it was a fairly common opinion that Trudeau did a terrible job in the debates, but very few Canadians actually watched the debates.

No? Most polls found Trudeau winning the debates. I thought he was fantastic -- much better than Mulcair (who alternated between creepy, sleepy and angry). Harper didn't appeal to me, but I think his performances spoke to most CPC supporters.

Oh no, when he thinks he's got the advantage his smile is all too real. That's what's disturbing about it.

Yeah, Harper's real smile is very shark-like. It's the cold, scary eyes.

See, I'm from BC too and traditionally NDP, but I hate Mulcair as a leader. Since you're from the same province as me, we should both hope Nathan Cullen gets the top job next, since he's from here. Not as angry as Mulcair and hopefully will be willing to work with Trudeau.

I'm voting Green strategically for Elizabeth May.

As a Liberal, Cullen scared me the most as a potential leader. He's a strong speaker, and he pulls off the happy warrior thing that Layton had pretty effortlessly.

 

[Vibranium]

mais Nathan Cullen ne parle pas français

Ah, I did not know that, well I guess that's a problem then. Too bad, I hope the NDP get the right person next time.

 

[Umibozu]

Just voted, no line for my riding but the one next to mine had 20 people. They didn't accept my photo health card or passport. Luckily I went with my dad and he verified me. The stupid part was that the election canada website said that the two id's I provided in conjunction would be valid.

 

[gutter_trash]

Ah, I did not know that, well I guess that's a problem then. Too bad, I hope the NDP get the right person next time.

Brian Topp is bilingual though and he was endorsed by Broadbent

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Just voted, no line for my riding but the one next to mine had 20 people. They didn't accept my photo health card or passport. Luckily I went with my dad and he verified me. The stupid part was that the election canada website said that the two id's I provided in conjunction would be valid.

WTF? Where was this?

 

[BigJonsson]

Just voted, no line for my riding but the one next to mine had 20 people. They didn't accept my photo health card or passport. Luckily I went with my dad and he verified me. The stupid part was that the election canada website said that the two id's I provided in conjunction would be valid.

Were they expired or still valid?

 

[NetMapel]

Just voted, no line for my riding but the one next to mine had 20 people. They didn't accept my photo health card or passport. Luckily I went with my dad and he verified me. The stupid part was that the election canada website said that the two id's I provided in conjunction would be valid.

How the heck does your passport get rejected as a valid photo ID ? That's some BS going on right there. Mind elaborating ?

I brought my driver license and my voter card and it was done like a breeze.

 

[Vibranium]

Brian Topp is bilingual though and he was endorsed by Broadbent

I remember, I wonder if he'll try for the job again.

 

[Parch]

What was wrong with Pierre? Genuinely curious as he was before my time. From what I have read, I think I would have liked him.

The popularity of Pierre Trudeau was grossly exaggerated by loyal Liberals. What he did during his leadership was not fondly looked upon by the west, first nations, and even a lot of Quebec. His handling of the economy was not good, and Pierre Trudeau is often blamed for the polarizing political divide between western and eastern Canada that we still see today. Pierre Trudeau was not good for Canada.

All of that is of course based on my experiences at the time and my personal opinion. You're going to hear some wildly differing opinions about Pierre Trudeau.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

and even a lot of Quebec

I think you mean "especially a lot of Québec"

 

[eBay Huckster]

NDP should get Keifer Sutherland to run lol

They need a leader with charisma. Not angry Tom.

now there's an idea: Big Boss leading the NDP

 

[Parch]

I think you mean "especially a lot of Québec"

I was trying to be polite. Pierre's treatment of Quebec was a real piece of work.

 

[Tabris]

now there's an idea: Big Boss leading the NDP

Well more because he's related to Tommy Douglas, but that too

Parch - Still waiting for that answer Until then you are in the same realm as the voters who say "I vote conservative because of the economy" and don't respond when questioned on specifics or presented with facts and statistics.

 

[Umibozu]

WTF? Where was this?

Mississauga poll #604

Were they expired or still valid?

Both still valid.

How the heck does your passport get rejected as a valid photo ID ? That's some BS going on right there. Mind elaborating ?

I brought my driver license and my voter card and it was done like a breeze.

I don't know, as I answered neither are expired. They asked to see my dad's license. My dad showed it, we voted and left (took 3 minutes). I knew the person made a mistake but didn't want to make a scene.

edit: the lady said that she needed to verify my current address. I had a current bill with my address too btw.

 

[GtwoK]

Just saw an anti-Conservative ad on TV that wasn't tied to an party. There was no "funded by the xyz party of Canada" or company logos or anything, just an anti-Conservative attack ad that ended with "vote October 19th". Where does this sort of thing come from?

 

[gutter_trash]

I was trying to be polite. Pierre's treatment of Quebec was a real piece of work.

like championing equality?

Pierre Trudeau treated Quebec like any other province and should be treated just like any Province.

 

[Umibozu]

Just saw an anti-Conservative ad on TV that wasn't tied to an party. There was no "funded by the xyz party of Canada" or company logos or anything, just an anti-Conservative attack ad that ended with "vote October 19th". Where does this sort of thing come from?

unions sometimes do this

 

[Elija2]

Just came back from voting. No lines which was nice.

Also I found out that my dad doesn't like Stephen Harper but is still voting for him because of the niqab issue. That was a fun argument.

 

[Stet]

The popularity of Pierre Trudeau was grossly exaggerated by loyal Liberals. What he did during his leadership was not fondly looked upon by the west, first nations, and even a lot of Quebec. His handling of the economy was not good, and Pierre Trudeau is often blamed for the polarizing political divide between western and eastern Canada that we still see today. Pierre Trudeau was not good for Canada.

All of that is of course based on my experiences at the time and my personal opinion. You're going to hear some wildly differing opinions about Pierre Trudeau.

How can someone's popularity be exaggerated? Either they're popular or they're not, and Trudeau is still popular outside of Quebec (due to the rise of Quebec separatism at the time) and the Prairies. I doubt any PM would have been fondly remembered during the FLQ crisis and the years that sovereignty was on the rise.

And the reasons he's not popular in the Prairies is is largely economic anyway, which is fine, because he wasn't a Prime Minister during a time of economic trouble until the very end of his career.

Arguing he was a bad PM is one thing, but arguing that he wasn't popular is just stupid. He was a multi-term Prime Minister, and sat for longer than anyone else in modern times.

I was trying to be polite. Pierre's treatment of Quebec was a real piece of work.

His treatment of Quebec reflected Quebec's treatment of Canada at the time. It baffles me that modern Quebeckers can't look at the Official Languages Act as a positive contribution.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Well, you don't actually have to rank all the candidates if you don't want to. Just rank your first and second choices and leave the third space blank.

As far as the prospects for electoral reform go, I think there's a much better chance of the Liberals (or the NDP, had they gotten in) following through on that, simply because of how the electoral field has changed. With Tories now having such a high floor, as a result of the end of vote-splitting between the PCs and the Alliance, and the Liberals having come very close to utter destruction in 2011, there's more incentive for them to avoid such lopsided seat totals in the future.

This is why ranked ballots are garbage. It just yields a more muddled and complex FPTP variant that bakes in even more elaborate "strategic voting" into the system. The strong supporters on the left and right will simply put NDP or Conservative #1 and leave the rest blank.

 

[TheRealTalker]

I think you mean "especially a lot of Québec"

I always wanted to know how to make words red