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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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The conservatives vote collapsed a bit in BC this election. There seat count dropped by like more 50%.This allowed the liberals and ndp to sneak in and get some seats that would usually be impossible for them to get like Kelowna.
I think people are finally going to get a decent answer to the question "how are they different, anyhow?" When C-51 amending comes up, I expect (in both the imperative sense and in terms of prediction) the NDP to make a really strong case for why it should just be scrapped rather than altered. When PR comes up, I expect the NDP to be the voice against half-measures like AV. And I really hope they still push hard to expand health coverage to areas it isn't currently covered, like drug plans (seriously, I know people who are literally made poor by having to pay for drugs).
To expand, supreme court judges are appointed from lower courts. Namely, the provincial courts of queen's bench, which the PM also appoints. One of the reasons Harper hasn't been able to appoint hard line right wingers to the Supreme Court is because the Liberals had appointment powers for basically all of the last half century. Now Harper has had 10 years to get some right wingers into lower courts, and this is eventually going to hamper the choices of a Liberal PM like Trudeau the same way it did Harper.
To expand, supreme court judges are appointed from lower courts. Namely, the provincial courts of queen's bench, which the PM also appoints. One of the reasons Harper hasn't been able to appoint hard line right wingers to the Supreme Court is because the Liberals had appointment powers for basically all of the last half century. Now Harper has had 10 years to get some right wingers into lower courts, and this is eventually going to hamper the choices of a Liberal PM like Trudeau the same way it did Harper.
Really looking forward to this election... With basically the mean reason being that I met Dwight Ball a few times and my dad grew up with him.
Wow, my riding in Winnipeg (Elmwood-Transcona) has been crazy close all night. All the votes have been counted, and it looks like the NDP candidate defeated the Conservative incumbent by 51 votes!
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...na/Elmwood---Transcona-results-334347131.html
With this late result, all of Winnipeg is non-Conservative.
Holy shit! Yay!!!!
edit: That's closer than I expected. I'm glad that I made sure to get all the eligible voters in my house to vote (and for the right party)! I feel like I made a difference.
Any links to the NFLD provincial election polls?
disappeared
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Because we've always been the middle-child fucked up kid.
Stumpokapow
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Globe and Mail said:
no he didn't, he was subject to a multi-year attack campaign calling him a rockstar barbie by the party the Globe and Mail endorsed
Globe and Mail said:
What fearful message? The fearful message the Globe and Mail endorsed when they said: "Canada needs a change. It also needs the maintenance of many aspects of the economic status quo... It is not time for the Conservatives to go... In an election about the economy, the Conservatives might have won, and would have deserved to"
The informed choice they made was not the choice the Globe and Mail endorsed
A weak economy created by the party the Globe and Mail endorsed for their economic vision when they said "On that score, the Conservative Party has a solid record. Hardly perfect but, relatively speaking, better than most. "
Really, that's interesting, because the Globe and Mail endorsed that party knowing it apparently had no appeal beyond a minority of voters
Again, reminder that the Globe and Mail endorsed the Conservatives on the basis of their strong economic policy.
You work with some.... less than well opinionated people.
The BC Liberals are only liberal in name.
Noooo whyyyyyy do you hate us?
At a certain point I just don't want to be wrong lol.
Honestly it's remarkable how well the Liberals have done in this riding.
It's purely due to Trudeau. The Conseratives really didn't let Watts run on her record.
Eh, there are still plenty of Liberal appointees around (and plenty of Harper's appointments are perfectly fine, anyway, perhaps in spite of himself), and Trudeau will soon be making plenty of judicial appointments of his own.
In a speech where Trudeau was wisely aiming for conciliation on the whole, I thought the anecdote about the Muslim woman and her child was very subtly lacerating.
gutter_trash
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true, they have gobbled up the old Social Credi which is not Liberal at all.
Well, to be fair, it's only lacerating to the mysogynists and the racists.
I don't think anyone will be able do anything with a Liberal majority so it doesn't matter.
Yeah, I'm pretty okay with this result. I didn't really expect them to do well after seeing the polls so I am relieved that they didn't completely collapse. They're back to 2008 levels and can work from there. Not a big deal for the NDP.
I just remembered that. That was one of the things that I preferred about Trudeau compared to Mulcair. I think that his solution is worth trying before tearing down the senate. If the senate can act like the Supreme Court, it can be useful.
You mistake my point, I was applauding that. He was subtly but quite upfrontly conveying the inhumanity of the CPC's wedge politics.
I know, it's going to be great.
On the way home someone stopped me asking where the polls were and then ranted about kathleen wynne shoving sex education and transexuals down childrens throats.
that's a good enema that Winnipeg received along with Canada. Congrats.Wow, my riding in Winnipeg (Elmwood-Transcona) has been crazy close all night. All the votes have been counted, and it looks like the NDP candidate defeated the Conservative incumbent by 51 votes!
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...na/Elmwood---Transcona-results-334347131.html
With this late result, all of Winnipeg is non-Conservative.
So much pessimism
Morrigan Stark
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Can anyone explain this meme? I don't get it.
$10 he totally made up that Muslim mom story to score points...
BigJonsson
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Can anyone explain this meme? I don't get it.
$10 he totally made up that Muslim mom story to score points...
Jose Bautista bat flip from ALDS game 5
Oh I know, and I agree. I was just pointing out the fact that such an issue even exists shows how low the conservatives sunk this election.
Mysterious
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Is the term going to be 4 or 5 years?
We still couldn't make it though... Very disappointing.
I try to be fair-minded about policy, and the NDP's platform was on the whole one that I would have been fine seeing enacted in government. But the Senate is one area where I will unequivocally say the Liberals had not just the better plan, but the only realistic plan. Senate abolition isn't happening; several premiers (including Wade MacLauchlan, my boss) have made it clear that it's a non-starter, as far as they're concerned. So regardless of whether it's a good idea or not, it isn't happening. And refusing to appoint anybody, as both the Tories and NDP were saying they'd do for the foreseeable future, is a flagrant breach of the constitutional duty to fill those seats (as the courts would have had to rule eventually, had it come to that).
It's a very promising result. Next time get a better candidate and I'll hope you'll win.
As someone who started learning sed ed in school (mostly anatomy and stuff) in grade 5, that makes me sad.
ShinRPGamer
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A few more things before I call it a night
1. I hope the NDP can hold on to the few areas they still have the lead in. Disappointed with how badly they did today.
2. Bloc does not deserve 10 seats.
3. gutter_trash has earned his vindication. Still can't believe that Liberal's got a majority.
4. My hopes for electoral reform have dropped considerably. Maybe the Liberal's will still plan to reform the electoral process but with the majority, I doubt it.
5. Harper is no longer PM and in the end, that's all that matters.
And with that I bid you all a good night and that tomorrow will bring a new era for Canada.
1. I hope the NDP can hold on to the few areas they still have the lead in. Disappointed with how badly they did today.
2. Bloc does not deserve 10 seats.
3. gutter_trash has earned his vindication. Still can't believe that Liberal's got a majority.
4. My hopes for electoral reform have dropped considerably. Maybe the Liberal's will still plan to reform the electoral process but with the majority, I doubt it.
5. Harper is no longer PM and in the end, that's all that matters.
And with that I bid you all a good night and that tomorrow will bring a new era for Canada.
gutter_trash
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crossing into Provincial lines. Pierre-Karl Peladeau placed all his bets behind the Bloc and Duceppe and has egg on his face.
The Bloc scored lower this time in the popular vote (despite increasing their seat count) while Duceppe himself loses in his riding.
PKP is not a in a good position to propel the PQ in the future, no matter what unpopular policies and cuts the Provincial Liberals do.
** (Quebec Liberals are not affiliated to the Federal Liberals)
The Bloc scored lower this time in the popular vote (despite increasing their seat count) while Duceppe himself loses in his riding.
PKP is not a in a good position to propel the PQ in the future, no matter what unpopular policies and cuts the Provincial Liberals do.
** (Quebec Liberals are not affiliated to the Federal Liberals)
I think its a big deal. Its not like the second coming of Layton is just going to appear anytime soon. Mulcair is staying on as leader, and I hope he reverts back to Angry Tom. He kind of reminded me of Stannis Baratheon, and that's a man I would follow.
killer rin
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Hey guys... remember this
Can't wait to see if the Sun does anything tomorrow
Can't wait to see if the Sun does anything tomorrow
He's been doing that for his entire campaign and I really appreciate it. Defending Muslims is politically dangerous in the U.S. You have to walk on egg shells and choose your words carefully. I'm glad that Trudeau took a strong stance against Harper's hate and without dancing around with his wording. It's pushed the nation and political discourse away from where the U.S. is.
Now that I think about it, I really like Trudeau. He's campaigned well and has me sold on him, moreso than Mulcair. I prefer the NDP but I'd rather have Trudeau as Prime Minister.
I still wish it was a minority.
Holy shit, the Liberals might get four seats in Alberta:
1. Darshan Kang has been elected in Calgary-Skyview.
2. With all polls in, Amarjeet Sohi leads in Edmonton-Mill Woods by...80 votes. Recount, but that seems like a win.
3. Kent Hehr leads in Calgary Centre by around 500 votes, with 10 polls left.
4. Randy Boissonnault leads in Edmonton Centre by about 1000 votes, with 12 polls left.
This would be the biggest Liberal class from Alberta since 1993, and these guys were all elected with absolutely no vote-splitting (or, perhaps, the vote-splitting being between the Liberals and NDP). Damn.
1. Darshan Kang has been elected in Calgary-Skyview.
2. With all polls in, Amarjeet Sohi leads in Edmonton-Mill Woods by...80 votes. Recount, but that seems like a win.
3. Kent Hehr leads in Calgary Centre by around 500 votes, with 10 polls left.
4. Randy Boissonnault leads in Edmonton Centre by about 1000 votes, with 12 polls left.
This would be the biggest Liberal class from Alberta since 1993, and these guys were all elected with absolutely no vote-splitting (or, perhaps, the vote-splitting being between the Liberals and NDP). Damn.
MrPhiliasfrog
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4 years
4 if they follow the fixed election date act. Which they don't have to (but I see no reason to believe they wouldn't right now). Any number of years if they don't, up to 5.
That honestly sounds worse than what the Alberta PCs went through the past few years. Yikes.
Edit: omg Sohi is leading Millwoods?! Woooooooo!!!
Stumpokapow
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And shouldn't, tbqh. I think 4 is a slightly better length than 5, but fixed dates serve barely any purpose and are basically institutionally incompatible with the system of parliamentary confidence
I voted NDP - and Don Davies actually won in my riding - I'm pretty pleased with how this evening turned out. Anything to get rid of this festering boil of a Prime Minister, despite it being 10 years too late. I have an innate distrust of majority governments, but I can live with Trudeau at the reins.
A great night overall.
A great night overall.
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