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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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matthewwhatever
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I think Wilson-Raybould gets Justice.
I heard a very good argument for Leblanc this morning as Foreign Minister (Trudeau knows & trusts him, plus his riding will never be at risk), though others seem to think it will likely be Garneau or Freeland.
Leslie as Defense Minister seems like a slam-dunk, though a military guy this morning told me that would be a very controversial pick within DND. Also heard Blair, though I think he's going to Public Safety. (Maybe they switch up Blair and Leslie, just to avoid controversy).
Consensus seems to be that Morneau gets Finance, though I wonder if it might be Goodale.
I'm so happy with Ottawa Centre -- I was sad I'd be moving from a Liberal riding (Ottawa West-Nepean) this weekend to an NDP one, so for that to not be the case is pretty awesome.
This is my major issue with it too, and I've never had anyone satisfactorily explain to me why it wouldn't become that. It just gets hand-waved away with "MPs would be competing to do a good job, so obviously parties wouldn't just pick hacks!", even though literally everything in Canada's history suggests that's what it would turn into.
Introduce Parliamentary oversight for sure, and either repeal or introduce sunset clauses for some of the worst aspects of it.
We did have a thread, and this one replaced it. I'll be getting a new one ready in the next week or so!
AuthenticM
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Unfortunately, no. I would suggest using the Google Translate plugin to translate the whole page.
Simon Belmont
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Thanks for that! That's a lot of good info there.
They are just salty that Trudeaumania got its second coming.
matthewwhatever
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Toronto Sun cover is disappointingly restrained:
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FreeQuebec86
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Hey! This topic keep going! Nice.
I konw, it's like the 10th time i post this video xD.
But my video was approuve on N4G :O!!!
http://n4g.com/news/1807335/wrestling-prediction-for-the-canadian-federal-election-2015-funny-stuff
First time it happen, so i dont know how this website work lol. But you can "give me heat"? there if you want ! haha
For people that didn't see it. I made all 4 major party leader fight in WWE 2k15 in a "Hardcore Wrestling Prediction match!! haha!
It's "humoristic! so nothing serious there! And my prediction finally turn out right !!! So the video will still be revelant for months to come! Yeah! haha
+ SO happy Harper is out!
Direct link if people dont want to go on N4G !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cF2Xnde1aw
I konw, it's like the 10th time i post this video xD.
But my video was approuve on N4G :O!!!
http://n4g.com/news/1807335/wrestling-prediction-for-the-canadian-federal-election-2015-funny-stuff
First time it happen, so i dont know how this website work lol. But you can "give me heat"? there if you want ! haha
For people that didn't see it. I made all 4 major party leader fight in WWE 2k15 in a "Hardcore Wrestling Prediction match!! haha!
It's "humoristic! so nothing serious there! And my prediction finally turn out right !!! So the video will still be revelant for months to come! Yeah! haha
+ SO happy Harper is out!
Direct link if people dont want to go on N4G !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cF2Xnde1aw
massivekettle
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You have to factor in turnout, though.
Yeah it's definitely an obscure side of how MMP works. You would think that 'list' MPs and 'local' MPs would act completely differently but that's just not what happens in places that use the system There's a big ass paper that studied why list and local MPs act the same if you want me to PM you the link (I summarised the findings in my post though. It's very straightforward self-preservation).
Well they can't let the poor know that their greatest champion Stephen Harper has been ousted by a fiendish rogue who's here to take away thousands of their hard earned dollars. That sort of information on the front would send too many of them into shock and 24 will not have that.
Very happy for you all on voting Harper out.
My spouse is Canadian, I spend a fair amount of time up there, and I'm so happy he's gone. My only question is, as a non-citizen, is there anything I can do when I'm there to really blow through ksharp's tax increases? Anything I can do to spend that money would be great!
My spouse is Canadian, I spend a fair amount of time up there, and I'm so happy he's gone. My only question is, as a non-citizen, is there anything I can do when I'm there to really blow through ksharp's tax increases? Anything I can do to spend that money would be great!
You Are Viewtiful
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Well, here's the Ontario Citizen's Assembly description of their version of MMP, which is modelled after Germany's system (major difference being that Germany is 50% regional / 50% proportional, while Ontario was to be 70% regional and 30% proportional) --
http://www.citizensassembly.gov.on....e Ontario Citizens' Assembly's MMP System.pdf
The relevant math stuff is on page 157 and 158.
Simon Belmont
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Yes please. Social studies are the ones I can actually read.
Keep in mind that for a lot papers, especially the Postmedia-owned ones, this was a case of ownership pulling rank on the editorial board (as is their right, of course).
Today, some of the papers seem to be running columns that are basically a 'Fuck you' to their owners, like this one:
https://t.co/OWC5E8iL0G
Gotdatmoney
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Joe Oliver was so salty on cbc radio this morning. Was great.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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I hope there's an archive.
Zombie James
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PumpkinSpice
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I don't know if he even expected to win his own seat. That "Where's Joe?" stuff was pretty telling.
Mysterious
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Conservatives have 99 seats. Less than 100. So beautiful.
I still find it funny he would support a man who would have taken away his right to vote in the next election. Hopefully the libs fix it and expats can continue to vote as they should.
Hudak should have been committed to an asylum. Truly one of the worst politicians in Canadian history, and that includes the Ford Bros. Ford may have smoked crack, but the damage Hudak was crazy to think about.
Simon Belmont
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The PCs in Ontario have (totally bizarrely) decided that their problem is that they haven't been sufficiently similar to Mike Harris.
Zombie James
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Yeah, the Ontario Conservatives are a mess and picking leaders crazier than the last isn't going to help. They might as well drop the "Progressive" from their name because they keep going father and farther away from it, like they somehow think that's what people want.
But hey, it's kept them out of power for 12 years and counting so it's not all bad. We can only hope the federal Cons are just as clueless and oblivious.
We can only hope that they pick another horrible leader. A Ford perhaps.
That's what I don't understand about modern Conservatives, here or in the US
They lose elections in spectacular fashion, and instead of looking inward and seeing how plainly their extremist wedge and identity issues don't pan out, and adjusting to be more moderate, they double down on it.
How do you replace FuckfaceHudak with someone even crazier? How does that happen?
They lose elections in spectacular fashion, and instead of looking inward and seeing how plainly their extremist wedge and identity issues don't pan out, and adjusting to be more moderate, they double down on it.
How do you replace FuckfaceHudak with someone even crazier? How does that happen?
Those are good points supporting why the Liberals are incentivized to enact voting reform, but come on it's clear why people are skeptical.
The Liberals have massively gained under the current system, and it will be very attractive to continue on the same course in the future. There will be Liberal MPs and strategists that will believe that they can continue to win big against the Conservatives and NDP and will advocate for no changes. This will be especially true if the Conservatives go through a lengthly leadership process and are weakened afterward.
The Liberals just won a big majority from just 39% of the vote. Any changes to the voting system are likely to cost brand new Liberal MPs their seats and there will be a lot of pressure from MPs against changes that would result in this.
It will be enormously enticing to enact preferential voting, which would stack the deck in the Liberals' favour, but doesn't yield proportional representation.
If Trudeau enacts MMP during this term he is a saint.
gutter_trash
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you know what is messed up? Conservatives lost seats in every Province but Quebec where he doubled his seat count
You Are Viewtiful
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Patrick Brown had a chance of winning until Harper started bashing Muslims LOL. All the work Patrick Brown did in the immigrant communities vanished just like that. The Ontario PC Party is dead until 2018 at least.
Such a shame too. Christine Elliott would have made an awesome premier. Liberals are starving ODSP and OW of cash, Elliott seems to be the only one who cares about people with disabilities.
Some Conservative party strategist was saying on the CBC this morning that the Liberal government doesn't plan on undoing much of what the Conservatives did. That seems... untrue?
He was also saying that they did a lot for climate change -- his one tangible example was changing light bulbs. No joke.
He was also saying that they did a lot for climate change -- his one tangible example was changing light bulbs. No joke.
Niqab
Perfect Blue
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Will indeed be weird watching a Jays playoff game with 0 election ads. I forgot what life felt like pre-elxn42
Even preferential voting would be a massive improvement.
I was actually talking to a person from Quebec about that. It's sad that to win rural Quebecois votes you just have to be a racist piece of shit...
PumpkinSpice
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I would prefer PR but being able to (this election) do
- Green
- Liberal
would at least mark my support for the Greens and show all parties that there are a lot of people that like their platform.
Random thoughts:
- Overall super happy to see Harper out. I was hoping for a minority government, so that the Liberals would be more strongly held accountable for their progressive promises, but this is a good outcome.
- We had a big turnout bump and a resulting progressive government. Did the youth finally vote? Demographics are changing across Canada, which yields outcomes which previously would have seemed crazy. Stuff like Liberal Calgary seats and Liberals winning in Kelowna (!!!!)
- Surprising Outcomes: Langley City going Liberal is shocking. Burnaby South being nearly Liberal also pretty surprising. Both of these outcomes are indicative of big demographic shifts in Metro Vancouver. Lots of young families are moving out to Langley and they're apparently not necessarily going to align with the conservative local politics. There has been a massive increase in residential tower construction in South Burnaby and that's changing the riding demographic.
- Riding prediction I was most wrong on: Liberals won West Van by a huge margin. The riding is very rich and I thought they'd stick with the Conservatives.
- Unhappy to see the Bloc pick up so many seats but happy to see Duceppe lost.
- Overall super happy to see Harper out. I was hoping for a minority government, so that the Liberals would be more strongly held accountable for their progressive promises, but this is a good outcome.
- We had a big turnout bump and a resulting progressive government. Did the youth finally vote? Demographics are changing across Canada, which yields outcomes which previously would have seemed crazy. Stuff like Liberal Calgary seats and Liberals winning in Kelowna (!!!!)
- Surprising Outcomes: Langley City going Liberal is shocking. Burnaby South being nearly Liberal also pretty surprising. Both of these outcomes are indicative of big demographic shifts in Metro Vancouver. Lots of young families are moving out to Langley and they're apparently not necessarily going to align with the conservative local politics. There has been a massive increase in residential tower construction in South Burnaby and that's changing the riding demographic.
- Riding prediction I was most wrong on: Liberals won West Van by a huge margin. The riding is very rich and I thought they'd stick with the Conservatives.
- Unhappy to see the Bloc pick up so many seats but happy to see Duceppe lost.
killer rin
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@lol, just opened up the results page to see what the final tally came up to and the Conservatives ended up losing a seat to the NDP, putting them at under 100 seats
Yep. Preferential voting would also be huge for the NDP.
hydragonwarrior
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One of my biggest concerns is that Trudeau does pull a Wynne and try to privatize something to obtain money like HydroOne.
Some things best remain in the power of the government - highways, for instance, or the lab we sold off that was responsible for manufacturing a unique isotope for x-rays.
Some things best remain in the power of the government - highways, for instance, or the lab we sold off that was responsible for manufacturing a unique isotope for x-rays.
Zombie James
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And when everyone else around goes
1. Liberal
2. ______
3. ______
1. NDP
2. Liberal
1. Conservative
2. Liberal
The Liberals get a huge majority and the Greens get shit all. Terrible voting system.
That doesn't sound like you have a problem with the voting system, it sounds like you have a problem with the electorate. And part of that problem might be your own cynicism.
You Are Viewtiful
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Why would they care? As long as they know that they can count on your vote, that's all they'll care about.
Best thing is to put a 1 on Greens and leave the rest blank. That's the only way anyone would get a hint.
They only won around Quebec City, a region that might as well be called Alberta, PQ.
Just like people in the prairies have the us vs. them attitude versus the "elite" of eastern Canada robbing them, the people around Quebec City feel the same about the "Montreal elite" and it makes them fall for populist BS.
Simon Belmont
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Isn't the problem there that nobody supports the greens?
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