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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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MMarston said:
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Loooooool I'm dying
 
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Walpurgis

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Morrigan Stark said:
Eh, it had only 4 in 2011 and now it has 10, not sure what you're trying to say.
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4 is the same as 10. They still don't have official party status and no one gives a shit about what they have to say (not that they can afford to say anything in parliament, LOL). They can't get more support in the future because they're poor and Duceppe will most likely leave. He's left once already. The last time he left, they couldn't replace him with anyone decent so the Bloc is dead for the foreseeable future (unless something major happens).
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LMAO

Strategic Voting, The Forbidden One
 
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Walpurgis

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Very interesting article about the Conservatives during the campaign and post-election.

Jenni Byrne tossed from Stephen Harper's inner circle

CBC said:
At the same time as the leadership race is set in motion, the activists are in the process of sorting through the embers of the campaign, analysing what went wrong and who is to blame.

The party's executive director, Dustin van Vugt, is in charge of a process to review the campaign.

A senior party source said the party will be in debt after this election is through, something the members aren't used to.

As far back as Thursday, campaign manager Jenni Byrne was packing up her office in the Ottawa party war room. In a sign of how tense things have become inside Harper's circle, Byrne was not in Calgary on election night, and is out of a job this morning.

During the campaign, sources say longstanding friction between Byrne and campaign director Guy Giorno just became worse, and the two strong personalities clashed on elements of the campaign. One insider said Byrne refused to hand over a list of candidate contact details to Giorno in the final days.

Eventually, their hostility spilled over into bad blood between Byrne and Novak, who is the person Harper trusts the most.

"There's a tremendous amount of antipathy towards her on the part of the leader," said one source.

"You don't run a campaign by surrounding yourself by sycophants, interns and family members," grumbled another.

But there are different ideas of why the campaign did not succeed. Some point to failings in the nuts and bolts organization of the campaign, while others believe the problems centred around the leader himself and his choice of message — factors no local candidate could control.

A source close to the war room said the party's focus groups and voter research had told them that the die was cast before the campaign began. Conservative voters "were sick of the PM and had a hard time voting for him."

"The feeling from Jenni as the campaign manager is that this was lost from the get go," said the source, who asked to remain anonymous.

"They underestimated people's feelings about the PM, that there was a stronger desire for change than they realized."

Dan Miles, a senior aide to outgoing finance minister Joe Oliver, said it was clear in the riding that voters were looking for change. Oliver lost his Eglinton-Lawrence riding in a near Liberal sweep of the Greater Toronto Area.

"The only negative I really ever heard was that they liked Joe, but they had a problem with the leader," said Miles.

"That was the only consistent thing I ever heard."

Meanwhile, the leader's message on the economy wasn't resonating as well as they suspected. The Liberals ate into some of that territory with voters who liked the promise of infrastructure spending. Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau performed better than expected during the debates.

The niqab issue raised by Harper dealt a blow to NDP Leader Tom Mulcair in Quebec, but it also seemed to wound the New Democrats elsewhere.

"That policy and so many others resonated positive with some voters, and negatively with others," said Oliver.

"I think that, and maybe some other policies, were responsible for the collapse of the NDP, which had a very significant impact on the national results."

Calgary Conservative MP Jason Kenney, widely believed to be a serious leadership contender, alluded to problems with the party message. Trudeau had focused on optimism, while Harper issued dire warnings of bleak economic times and terrorist threats.

"We need a conservatism that is sunnier and more optimistic than what we have sometimes conveyed," Kenney said.

"We have to take collective responsibility for that."

On the other side, there are those who believe the party's losses can be attributed to poor preparation.

That would include the training of local volunteers, the recruitment of candidates, convincing incumbents to run again, and vetting candidates. The conclusion is that the party didn't take enough advantage of natural advantages of being in power, of having a huge war chest and its wealth of experience from previous campaigns.

"In this case I fear that, like all parties in power, we got fat and happy," said Chad Rogers, a party loyalist who volunteered during the 2006 campaign, then run by the late Doug Finley.

"This campaign was not as lean, as focused or as aggressive as the ones that preceded it. A lot of candidate and campaign managers that I've been talking to informally were very surprised that things we were good at, just weren't done this time."

Rogers said there would be questions asked about how money was spent, especially the abandoning of a new, multi-million voter identification system two years ago.

Other Conservatives said the party hasn't kept up with the times on the latest research methods and technology.

The source close to the war room said that it will be unfair to lay the blame all on Byrne, who also led the successful 2011 campaign.

"She's a lightning rod, partly because of her personality, but also because she's a woman," said the source. "She's going to bear the brunt of a lot of knifing because she's a woman at the top of the food chain."
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Morrigan Stark said:
I suddenly like Trudeau a lot more now:

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Pissing off Gamergate, fuck yeah!

Also... I like Mulcair a lot more too!

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Daaaaamn xD


Eh, it had only 4 in 2011 and now it has 10, not sure what you're trying to say.
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I still don't even understand what gamergate is. But that bottom tweet sounds really pathetic.
 
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sjay1994 said:
I might have the jist of it, but not a full understanding of what they want. The bottom tweet still sounds really petty though, unless its supposed to be a joke.
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I've poked around and done quite a bit of reading about it and I still don't think I fully understand what it is and what the point is (or was) supposed to be.

I also don't think that tweet is a joke, which makes it even more sad.
 
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Kinitari

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DJ_Lae said:
I've poked around and done quite a bit of reading about it and I still don't think I fully understand what it is and what the point is (or was) supposed to be.

I also don't think that tweet is a joke, which makes it even more sad.
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When I spend even 5 minutes thinking about gamer gate that shit makes my heart hurt. I just can't deal with it, it's too terrible all around. Awkward, sad and disappointing.
 
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Silexx said:
Lol, I think he'll be properly insulated from any shit GG might attempt to sling at him.
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I don't know... They always find a way. Like, for example, I would never have thought to spam advertisers of a site that I didn't like. They are an innovative bunch.
 
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Trudeau immediately pulling out of Iraq/Syria and I find out he's avowedly against gamergate? in addition to the whole "marijuana revenues incoming ASAP"?

...switch my outlook for this government, electoral reform aside, to cautiously optimistic
 
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Walpurgis said:
Well, that's the way it should be, not that I don't enjoy seeing them in dire straights.
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I know... he just seemed to say that its dumb they gain 6 seats while losing
1.4% of their votes... but if it was really representative of their % of vote, they would get more seats. Anyway.

Are you a Quebecers to enjoy seeing them in dire straits? I don't get what Bloc Quebecois change in people's life outside of Quebec :p. Shouldn't they be allowed to choose their own fates.
 
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Walpurgis

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NeoZylom said:
I know... he just seemed to say that its dumb they gain 6 seats while losing
1.4% of their votes... but if it was really representative of their % of vote, they would get more seats. Anyway.
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He's right that is dumb. And it's also dumb that they didn't have more seats to begin with. The whole thing is dumb.
 
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Alot of older people at my work saying the same thing. 'All these young people too young to remember how shitty a prime minister his father was.'
Well, being under 30 I was too young.. was he really that bad?
 
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nomis

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Rocky85 said:
Alot of older people at my work saying the same thing. 'All these young people too young to remember how shitty a prime minister his father was.'
Well, being under 30 I was too young.. was he really that bad?
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Apparently running consecutive deficits isn't made up for by creating the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
 
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Rocky85 said:
Alot of older people at my work saying the same thing. 'All these young people too young to remember how shitty a prime minister his father was.'
Well, being under 30 I was too young.. was he really that bad?
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No?

You can read up on Trudeau the elder yourself and make that decision on your own.
 
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Rocky85 said:
Alot of older people at my work saying the same thing. 'All these young people too young to remember how shitty a prime minister his father was.'
Well, being under 30 I was too young.. was he really that bad?
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Pierre Trudeau told lawmakers to stay out Canadians' bedrooms, converted us to the Metric system, made Canada officially bilingual, created Petro-Canada, kept us out of Viet-Nam, signed the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Repatriated the Constitution.

Pierre Trudeau was a great Prime Minister, not perfect, he had some faults but not many Canadian Prime Ministers can notch down so many accompaniments under his belt.

What is Harper's legacy???? ***crickets*****
 
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nomis said:
Apparently running consecutive deficits isn't made up for by creating the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
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I still official bilingualism is silly, considering the realities of this country.

But it let a guy from Toronto out of a traffic ticket because he was legally able to say that traffic signs were labeled in French and his rights were violated. Even if he can't read a single word of the language. lol
 
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firehawk12 said:
I still official bilingualism is silly, considering the realities of this country.

But it let a guy from Toronto out of a traffic ticket because he was legally able to say that traffic signs were labeled in French and his rights were violated. Even if he can't read a single word of the language. lol
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there would be no Canada without Samuel de Champlain, history is your friend
 
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