She's not a scientist if that's what you're asking.
Otherwise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_May
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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Otherwise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_May
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Yep, we kicked him right out of our riding by a couple thousand votes. We now have an NDPer
gutter_trash
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mon amour Gilles Duceppe confirms that he is quitting political life,
official announcement tomorrow
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/p...les-duceppe-quittera-la-direction-du-bloc.php
official announcement tomorrow
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/p...les-duceppe-quittera-la-direction-du-bloc.php
Zombie James
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I'm glad I can look back at these moments now and laugh instead of getting pissed off.
firehawk12
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lol
I'm sure he'll be back for the next election. Why not.
He's still one of my favourite speakers. He works well as the "I don't give a fuck" candidate.
I'm sure he'll be back for the next election. Why not.
He's still one of my favourite speakers. He works well as the "I don't give a fuck" candidate.
I am totally out of date on this, so I would love people that live in Montreal and Quebec provide feedback on this:
1) Why is the Separation movement still a thing? Didn't the Quebec referendum in 1995 answer that? They lost. Do they want a rematch or something?
2) Why is there a language movement still? Aren't the language laws already in place within Quebec to protect the French language?
1) Why is the Separation movement still a thing? Didn't the Quebec referendum in 1995 answer that? They lost. Do they want a rematch or something?
2) Why is there a language movement still? Aren't the language laws already in place within Quebec to protect the French language?
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Aaaaaand done.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=182497994#post182497994
Running to my bomb shelter now!
He's a very good speaker which is why I am glad he's gone. If anyone could save the BQ it would be him. The man is a danger to society. With him gone, I think the BQ is over for the foreseeable future. I'm sure they'll be back at some point but I think it'll be a while.
1. I think the referendum was a scam.
2. Insecure nationalists.
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Don't feel like debating yet again, but quick answers from my point of view:
1) The last referendum result was very, very close: 49,42% for "Yes" VS 50,58% for "No". Just like the Liberals and NPD wanted a "rematch" after losing to the Conservatives repeatedly, yes, those in favor of Quebec's independence haven't changed their mind and want a "rematch".
2) There's also still a pushback against those laws and it's still not always respected. As a mainly french-speaking province in an english-speaking country and english-speaking continent, I don't think french will ever be in a "stable" state.
firehawk12
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Yep it's regressive, but a government can offset the regressiveness by exempting certain items (usually foodstuff necessities) and by offering tax rebates for low income persons. This is what all these countries do.
The reason these regressive taxes exist is because they're incredibly good at generating revenue, and a country can funnel this revenue into social programs such as universal medicare, childcare, pharmacare etc that give everyone equal opportunities. In contrast income taxes can be dodged more easily, and they're not as efficient at generating revenue. Don't take this as an argument that we should not tax high earners. I'm totally supportive of increased income taxes on the wealthy.
Given that Trudeau is going to be raising taxes on the 1% for his first bill, we'll soon be able to find out exactly how much revenue that will generate. If I had to wager I'd guess it'll be less than they predict.
May is content being the big fish in a small pond. No way she's given any sort of status in parliament. The Liberals have spent way too much time and money recruiting people to run as MPs to give away cabinet positions to people across the aisle. Comments like that, and comments about raising the GST are based in no kind of reality.
Link dead, what was here?
firehawk12
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When it's a question of identity, that stuff doesn't matter. Just ask the Scottish.
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Don't think debating the economic aspects of independence here would be very fruitful here, but I gotta ask: why do you guys care so much? Let's say it does happen and Quebec turns into the Mad Max wastelands, how is it your problem if Quebec is not part of Canada anymore? Isn't it better for you to get rid of this poor province sucking your money?
See, that's what I never understood either on the 2nd point (1st point is fair) - Why not let the people naturally choose? The great thing about Canada is you don't need to conform. The Chinese in Vancouver are able to retain their culture and language while still be a part of the tapestry of Canada. There's so many signs in Simplified Chinese all around Vancouver and Richmond. Why not let the same situation happen to Quebec? If the people want to speak French and have their signs in French, great. That should be encouraged. If they don't, that's also great. They shouldn't be forced. To force it seems regressive to me.
An official language should only be used as a way to translate between all peoples within a society. I don't understand the point of a second language, especially one that has smaller impact on the global stage as French does. Children across the country should have their choice in what languages they should learn and the only mandate is to ensure that all Canadians are multi-lingual as we are a player in the global market.
I honestly wouldn't care what our official language is, as long as everyone can speak it so we can all communicate, but English is the dominant language in the western world and unless Skull Talker is real and about to unleash a vocal code parasite on the planet - that's going to stay the same.
I just checked Wikipedia and damn. We're all getting carried by the territories.
I personally wouldn't care if Quebec separated (as long as they gave trade partners of Canada full access to the saint lawrence river).
But I'm tired of the debate and resources for the debate. Once your decision is made up, just stick with it.
gutter_trash
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Steve and Gilles understood that the party was over, they went home
But Tom, Tom. Tom has to be "that guy" who overextends his stay after a party is over when everyone else already went home.
Justin will have to kick Tom out of the house.
But Tom, Tom. Tom has to be "that guy" who overextends his stay after a party is over when everyone else already went home.
Justin will have to kick Tom out of the house.
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Well at least Tom and the NDP are not like your liberal buddies who dropped leaders like flies until they got Justin.
Except its not in any way shape or form.
gutter_trash
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Tabris, the independance movement is on a slow decline, it is not dead but it is tied to the Baby Boomer generation.
Once that the Baby Boom gen passes, the independance movement will near extinction, not tottally, they will always have some that will be hardcore.
Young people in Quebec today do not think like their parents and do not think like the Baby Boomer generation.
Millennials have a different outlook of the world, an open outlook of the world and they want to talk about other things.
PKP is the last knight of the PQ and he is off to a bad start already and I highly doubt that PKP will even be able to ever win a majority government provincially.
Once that the Baby Boom gen passes, the independance movement will near extinction, not tottally, they will always have some that will be hardcore.
Young people in Quebec today do not think like their parents and do not think like the Baby Boomer generation.
Millennials have a different outlook of the world, an open outlook of the world and they want to talk about other things.
PKP is the last knight of the PQ and he is off to a bad start already and I highly doubt that PKP will even be able to ever win a majority government provincially.
Well I mean definitely different in circumstances and ideals, but just that here is an identity crisis issue that was decided in the US via conflict, but never resolved here.
EDIT - Ah, that makes sense gutter.
Identity crisis, unresolved? What are you on about? There is nothing parallel between these. The issue is completely resolved and everyday that goes by it's farther in the past.
It would significantly improve, right?
Oh wait, you were talking about Quebec separation. I was thinking about western separation.
Cascadia would be a GDP powerhouse, that's for sure.
And Washington / Oregon are probably some of the closest attuned to Canadian ideals out of the US states.
But I don't know if I would want that.
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Not a separatist, but I imagine they'd argue Canada is the reason Quebec is so poor. It's not like the province was always economic deadweight, you know. Montreal used to be the financial and trade hub of North America before New York overtook it. Quebec used to have strong textile and pharmaceuticals industries, but free trade agreements like NAFTA (and soon, the TPP) paired with a volatile dollar thanks to oil really screwed Quebec manufacturers over.
There's also the possibility that, you know, money isn't the most important thing in life. Crazy, I know.
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I started to type an elaborate response, but I decided against it in the end. Don't want to lose hours on another dead-end debate as I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on this. I don't blame you for it, but as an english speaker, you're part of the "dominant" culture and I don't think you can really understand what it's like to be on the other side of the food chain.
I want to quicky address 2 things however:
1) There are a lot of signs in Simplified Chinese in Montreal too. I'm not sure what your idea of Quebec's infamous language laws is, but it doesn't seem to be entirely accurate.
2) Sure, french is not as "important" globally as english, but it's not as insignificant as you think:
Things DO change, and even if french was not that "important", I don't think that a language or culture fading away is ever a good thing.
EDIT:
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh WHAT?! Okay, fuck it, I'm out (yet again).
gutter_trash
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if both major provincial parties are inept at managing a province, how can anyone believe that any of them can run a new country?
all three big provincial parties in Quebec are inept, incompetent and unable to ballance a bloated bureaucratic public sector while managing to stay up float.
Run Justin, run.
Justin will stand up to people like this easily.
Such a 180 from Harper.
We're headed in a good direction it seems.
GDP powerhouse and ending those equalization payments. Glorious. 4 western provinces and the 3 territories would make a nice, rich country.
But I think we should just keep the Canada name. They can call themselves Quebtario or whatever the hell they want.
I definitely respect not wanting to debate this as I don't think we will meet eye to eye, but want to understand your importance globally with French language comment.
France is 0.9% of our trade. Germany, China, UK, Japan, South Korea, and Mexico all exceed France trade. China has a much larger both economic and cultural impact on Canada in our modern world, so Mandarin would be a better language.
Cascadia is BC, Washington, and Oregon.
Unless you are thinking instead BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba? I don't think that's ever had a name but that's not the Cascadia movement.
lol nvm
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Wait, what? I'm seriously confused by this question. Why isn't Finland speaking Mandarin instead of Finnish if there's more money to make that way?
And for global importance of french comment, I litterally copy-pasted it from this source I included: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/05/31/ozy-french-language/9781569/
Every country has a dominant language. We're talking about secondary languages, and French isn't as useful as a secondary language in a global stage for our country.
The link you provided has large population growth in French speaking countries we rarely deal with culturally or economically (most being old-French colonies in Africa). So it doesn't apply to my comment.
gutter_trash
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Canada has two official languages from its two founding peoples.
that's that.
The only other ones who need protecting are Aboriginal languages, Inuit languages, First Nation Languages.
New Canadians need to learn either English and or French to be able to communicate in one of the two official languages of our country.
that's that.
The only other ones who need protecting are Aboriginal languages, Inuit languages, First Nation Languages.
New Canadians need to learn either English and or French to be able to communicate in one of the two official languages of our country.
But times change. In Canada, our constitution is a living tree doctrine.
Listening to people say "because that's how we were founded" comes off the same as someone claiming 2nd amendment in the US for their gun ownership rights.
Just giving my perspective. I like our country because we don't prioritize one culture over another, allow anyone speak any language they want, and practice any faith they want.
Listening to people say "because that's how we were founded" comes off the same as someone claiming 2nd amendment in the US for their gun ownership rights.
Just giving my perspective. I like our country because we don't prioritize one culture over another, allow anyone speak any language they want, and practice any faith they want.
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Chrétien was right, Bush was wrong.
Now they are stuck in a quagmire and have no idea how to deal with it
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I think we've gone full circle here, as we go back to the desire for Quebec to exist as an independent country.
I have to agree that french as Canada's secondary language doesn't make a lot of sense however. I don't think a lot of english-speaking canadians are fluent in french outside Quebec. If/when Quebec becomes its own country, you have my express permission to drop french from your official languages if you so desire.
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It just so happens that somehow, they happen to choose your culture and your language.
My culture is a tapestry of European, Asian, and North American cultures
My language is english, the dominant language in our continent and most translate-able to the rest of the modern world due to American Imperialism.
The languages I have been learning or have learned part of are German, French, and Japanese. French because I was forced to take French classes in Canada - I would have preferred to have been taught a different language like German, Mandarin, Cantonese, or Japanese when I was younger.
Pretty sure they didn't select Tamil as our official language.It just so happens that somehow, they happen to choose your culture and your language.
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