TheRealTalker
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Well a bunch of African Nations speak French and as their economies grow rapidly we can see an new interest in learning French for future business relations and like France get ahead start
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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No we keep the name, as eastern Canada is real Canada.
Maritimes + Québec + Ontario = Canada
Alberta + Saskatchewan = Encanastan or Suncoristan
BC and its US hipster pals = Cascadia
The Territories go back to the First Nations
Manitoba gets to choose if it's living with mom or dad.
We need to re-distribute immigrants better. Ontario immigrant percentage has decreased to below 40% and BC + Alberta has increased to 30%, so the population re-distribution is starting to happen slowly, but we should be increasing re-distribution to the middle of the country and Atlantic provinces to better normalize their demographics which is too rural.
We should be using immigration to create a 5th and 6th world class city in Canada (out of Vancouver, Calgary (the newest member over last decade), Ontario, and Montreal). One of the Atlantic and one of the prairie cities needs to become a world class city.
We should be using immigration to create a 5th and 6th world class city in Canada (out of Vancouver, Calgary (the newest member over last decade), Ontario, and Montreal). One of the Atlantic and one of the prairie cities needs to become a world class city.
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Speaking exclusively Tamil in Canada must be pretty hard, if you don't want to live completely secluded.
130 million Africans speak English over 120 million Africans who speak French.
1.5 billion people and our 2nd (or 3rd if you count EU as a whole) largest trading partner speaks Mandarin or Cantonese.
I really want to promote more immigration from China to Canada, because it's a boon to our economy.
It just so happens that somehow, they happen to choose your culture and your language.
That's backwards. They didn't choose my culture and language, my parents learned that culture and language because they chose it. The culture I grew up in was one where we had two official languages.
matthewwhatever
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The parties are supposed to have all their signs picked up (or, at least, no longer on display) within a day or two of the election being over. They should have grabbed it off your lawn already, so if they haven't, you may want to give them a call -- they could get fined otherwise.
I don't think she makes it into cabinet, but I could see Trudeau giving her some kind of ceremonial role on the environment. She's a pretty effective parliamentarian, and she's really good at getting attention for someone with such a small platform. Channelling her energies elsewhere would be smart politics in that it would get rid of pointed criticism -- and, not coincidentally, it would also help raise the Green profile, mostly at the expense of the NDP. There'd be a risk of it backfiring if they do something she doesn't like and she has to break from them, but...enh, it feels like a risk worth taking.
Don't know about best, but Bill Morneau seems to be the trendy pick. I think it'll be him or Goodale (though I see Goodale more as Foreign Affairs or Deputy PM).
I had way fewer predictions: I thought the Liberals would win (though not anywhere close to a majority); I thought the Greens would win Victoria (nope); I thought the Liberals would get a few seats in Calgary (I guessed three though); and I thought the NDP vote would collapse.
With the proviso that I'm relieved the NDP did so poorly, and my intense dislike of Mulcair may colour my feelings towards them...
If they don't boot Mulcair, I would hope they do a significant housecleaning around him. I mean, I'm relieved their campaign was such a disaster, but if I were an NDPer -- and I was once, years ago -- I'd want Lavigne, McGrath, et al, turfed. I don't know who decided to run a campaign that was built on neutering Mulcair and trying to appear safe and unassuming, but it was a terrible choice from the get-go. You run with the leader you have, not the leader you wish you had, and Mulcair's discomfort with trying to be Layton-like was painfully visible in virtually everything he did. "Angry Tom" may have been a tough sell, but it would've been better than Creepy Tom.
I'm really not sure if they should give him the boot. I think it's generally wise to give leaders at least two elections, just to give the electorate a chance to get comfortable with them...but at the same time, he'll be even older next time around, and he runs the risk of looking like the doddering old man against not only Trudeau (against whom he'll no longer be able to act condescending towards), but also a Conservative leader who's almost surely going to be younger.
I don't know who replaces him, either. Cullen is the obvious choice, but his sunny optimism is less effective against Trudeau, plus he can't run on progressive cooperation. Ashton may be smart, but I don't think she'd appeal much beyond the NDP base. Boulerice is a former separatist, and while that may boost them in Quebec, it's a hindrance outside the province. Dewar, Leslie, etc. are both unilingual and outside of Parliament. I think they may just have to wait and see if someone comes along who can wow them, otherwise they stick with Mulcair for now.
English and French are constitutionally entrenched (s.16 of the Charter). The Living Tree Doctrine is an unwritten principle about interpreting the Constitution, but elevating another language (or getting rid of French) would require an amendment subject to the s.41 (Constitution Act, 1982) formula, requiring the unanimous consent of each provincial legislature.
Otherwise put, it will never happen.
The official language isn't the most spoken language. Sorry.
Look at Pakistan. 45% of the people speak Punjabi. Guess what the official language is.
firehawk12
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Just kill the NDP. I'm ready for the dark depressing reality of choosing between two bad choices for the rest of my life.
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It might be because english isn't my first language, but I don't understand what this post means at all. I re-read it multiple times and tried to translate it, but I'm still confused.
It means our culture and language stems from those decisions, not the other way around.
The languages you learned are irrelevant though, because you're not able to hold a conversation in any of these languages, let alone conduct business using them, and that's mainly because you've lived your entire life in an environment that is completely dominated by English.
You Are Viewtiful
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WTF. That's disturbing and this isn't first time I heard comments like this on GAF.
firehawk12
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To play devil's advocate, I do find it funny that as a country, we chose to save French culture while we almost systematically destroyed aboriginal culture by taking kids away from families and forcing them to be Christian and to speak English. Talk about "fair" treatment and all that.
Yeah, I started learning English around pre-school or Kindergarten. I was born in Montreal and moved to Vancouver when I was 2, but spoke Tamil exclusively until entering school.
firehawk12
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There are probably still a lot of Asian communities where the predominant language is the "home" language. I don't know about Tamil, but if you can communicate in Chinese, you can make a living catering specifically to a Chinese speaking community. This goes not only for bankers, lawyers and doctors, but for tradesmen like plumbers and carpenters as well.
Tabris needs to read a few books about Canadian history...
You Are Viewtiful
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Well except the government of Ontario limiting French instruction in French schools to an hour a day in 1912, and defunded French schools until 1968. We never really decided to "save" French culture until recently. And yes, the treatment of First Nations is way worse, but if we start using that as an excuse for everything, well, we'd be a pretty shitty country.
Keep in mind that Ontario's Francophone population was 10-20% historically. If you want to know why a lot of Franco-Ontarians don't speak French today, now you know.
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Yeah, but the decision to speak english wasn't made randomly. If you immigrate to Alberta, choosing vietnamese or finnish as your new language would not be very wise. You'll go with english because that's what everybody speaks and you want to interact with them.
Should have stopped when I read that comment. I think I'm masochistic...
1) French wasn't "saved" out of good will from the conqueror.
2) The treatment of aboriginal communities is pretty good proof that this "Canada never imposed anything on anybody" narrative doesn't hold water.
I don't know how many are voluntarily ignoring history and facts and how many honestly aren't aware of historical events, but this discussion is exhausting...
Trudeau is going to ditch First Past The Post:
http://www.thestar.com/news/federal...reform-looms-for-canada-trudeau-promises.html
http://www.thestar.com/news/federal...reform-looms-for-canada-trudeau-promises.html
firehawk12
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Well, like I said, I was just playing devil's advocate. Canada was more the capable of committing complete cultural genocide if it wanted to.
I don't think it was the English being nice to the French but the French fighting back. The difference between Aboriginals fighting back and the French fighting back was that the French knew how to use the system (writing, contracts, governments, etc.). They weren't as easily scammed since they had centuries of experience dealing with the English.
Those are big words. I think Australia's system is still classified as FPTP (it definitely isn't PR) so I hope that is out of the window. If we can get the German system then Trudeau will become a legend of his own.
firehawk12
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Australia has a mixed AV/STV system because it elects its Senate and the Senate has the ability to vote down the budget, which is why the smaller parties have a lot of power.
I think it has more to do with the conflict in Canada being a smaller part of a much larger conflict between colonial powers. And both colonial powers had little interest in the wellbeing of what they considered savages.
No, FPTP is only when the person with a plurality wins. AV is not FPTP and also not PR.
Nothing's changed in what Trudeau has said, he's still including AV as a possibility. "The last election to use FPTP" is the exact same wording he's been using all along.
firehawk12
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I'll just say it's equally "funny" how Canada as a country decided to round up anyone Japanese during WW2 but didn't do the same with German and Italian Canadians.
Funny, I'm pretty sure I saw muslims and people speak english the other day...
Nevermind.. must have been my imagination.
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So many great promises, but I'll believe it when I see it. Hope my chronic cynicism will be proven wrong!
EDIT: Ahah, wow, those Walprugis quotes. Ignore feature is bliss.
TheRealTalker
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same
when he finally gets sworn in I need to see action
when he finally gets sworn in I need to see action
Women aren't allowed to provide or receive public services while wearing the niqab in Quebec.
ShinRPGamer
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Looks like my skepticism may be proven wrong. Let's see if he lives up to his word.
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I think Trudeau has a very earnest heart. That may sometimes lead to him becoming overly dramatic and naive seeming, but he has his values in the right place, I think. Though maybe not all of his ideas are as nuanced as people would like or planned out.
What he needs is to be surrounded by is smart, strategically-minded, and dedicated people to guide him and who will help make his campaign promises a reality.
I don't mind so much if he's a puppet leader for his charisma as long as he's smart enough to understand the importance of good information (thankfully, he talks about evidence-based governing a lot) and selecting the right people to help him (I don't know about this part yet, but I like that he's going to try to have a representative cabinet at least gender-wise).
What he needs is to be surrounded by is smart, strategically-minded, and dedicated people to guide him and who will help make his campaign promises a reality.
I don't mind so much if he's a puppet leader for his charisma as long as he's smart enough to understand the importance of good information (thankfully, he talks about evidence-based governing a lot) and selecting the right people to help him (I don't know about this part yet, but I like that he's going to try to have a representative cabinet at least gender-wise).
matthewwhatever
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So Nanos ended up being the most accurate pollster, followed shockingly closely by Forum. Ekos and Angus Reid were the worst, depending on how you looked at it.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/liberals-map-swift-overhaul-of-anti-terror-law
C-51 getting overhauled ASAP
They're moving even faster than I had hoped
It reads as if they are mostly adding oversight, and clarification on vague terms. They should just get rid of it, but I guess they didn't campaign on that
C-51 getting overhauled ASAP
They're moving even faster than I had hoped
It reads as if they are mostly adding oversight, and clarification on vague terms. They should just get rid of it, but I guess they didn't campaign on that
An 18 Year-Old Justin Trudeau on Quebec Sovereignty
I've never seen that before.
"Le Canada ne chie pas sur le Québec!" Haha
Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
I've never seen that before.
"Le Canada ne chie pas sur le Québec!" Haha
Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
Simon Belmont
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He was confident.
I think all or nothing is an American style approach (constitutionally speaking, I'm not making a value judgement). I like the idea of reigning our intelligence community in, but still having and empowering them. Canada has always been about balancing the public good against personal rights, rather than enforcement of personal rights over the public good.
Simon Belmont
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Dammit. Double post. Rookie move.
It's the smart, strategically minded people who might surround him that worry me, personally.
Wow the last 2 months have been such a whirlwind. I still can't believe we achieved a majority. I remember talking in the office in August think that 90-100 seats would be the best we could do. My riding of York Centre still came down to 1200 votes despite the national wave of momentum.
It is actually really weird going from full speed, 90+ hour work weeks to now this period of nothing. I dont think I have ever been as drained as I was yesterday. Every ounce of energy, both physically and emotionally was gone. I still cant believe we won.
It is actually really weird going from full speed, 90+ hour work weeks to now this period of nothing. I dont think I have ever been as drained as I was yesterday. Every ounce of energy, both physically and emotionally was gone. I still cant believe we won.
Perfect Blue
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I'd rather not have someone with a history that's anti-GMO, thinks wifi can cause cancer, believes homeopathic medicine should be covered by our public healthcare, a 9/11 truther, and an anti-vaxxer be anywhere near a cabinet position. For the Greens claiming to be pro-environment they sure do have some dumb ideas on science.
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Amen
I relate it to Steve Jobs. He was the idea man. He proposed ridiculous things at times and asked his engineers to perform miracles. He said figure it out. They did.
Zombie James
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Hitting the ground running, holy shit.
OpinionatedCyborg
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really? which century was that? certainly not the 18th, 19th, or 20th centuries. doubtful even in the 17th century.
Yeah, that's not true. Montreal was the hub of trade in New France, but there's no reason why anybody in the British colonies would have been running their trade through there -- indeed, that wasn't logistically possible until the advent of railroads midway through the 19th century, and New York was already the first city of the New World by then.
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