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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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So Jean Charest called TVA's Jean Lapierre to tell him to tell everybody to stop emailing him and stop calling him, he is not interested in coming back to politics nor seeking the leadership of the Conservative Party

Charest said that the only exception is if there is ever another Referendum, then and only would he come back to campaign for the NO side. But he has no interest of seeking the Conservative leadership
 

Walpurgis

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I asked this before but no one answered. Where does Trudeau stand on Israel/Palestine? Is he an "ardent defender of Israel" or will he try to be an actual peacekeeper and help the situation?
 
I think having other party MP in position of power (therefore making a mixed government) sounds like a great idea

just don't give the CPC economic and social areas

toss Elizabeth May the Environment Minister Job...

I asked this before but no one answered. Where does Trudeau stand on Israel/Palestine? Is he an "ardent defender of Israel" or will he try to be an actual peacekeeper and help the situation?

well in 2014 he stated this
 
There are crazy people out there who literally think Trudeau is a commie who's coming to take away their guns. I think gamer gaters are the least of his worries.

Actually, there's probably some overlap between these two groups.

There are people out there who had death wishes for Rachel Notley for crashing the Alberta economy.

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Just waiting for Conservative Albertans to go after Trudeau for crashing the price of oil or getting Keystone XL blocked lol.
 

Popstar

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I think having other party MP in position of power (therefore making a mixed government) sounds like a great idea

just don't give the CPC economic and social areas

toss Elizabeth May the Environment Minister Job...
Elizabeth May is aware of the petitions and has already said its not something that she would accept.

People are forgetting that as a member of Cabinet she would be expected to tow the party line. Including on decisions that she disagreed with.

She could possibly be invited to be part of the Canadian delegation to the Paris talks.
 

pr0cs

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Just waiting for Conservative Albertans to go after Trudeau for crashing the price of oil or getting Keystone XL blocked lol.
Not like they don't already have enough to dislike about him based off some of his idiot comments.
It's really unlikely Notley would get reelected if another election was called today.
 

maharg

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Elizabeth May is aware of the petitions and has already said its not something that she would accept.

People are forgetting that as a member of Cabinet she would be expected to tow the party line. Including on decisions that she disagreed with.

She could possibly be invited to be part of the Canadian delegation to the Paris talks.

This reminds me of when, after the Liberals were reduced to one seat (David Swann, the leader's) in Alberta, there was a "draft David Swann for speaker" movement for some stupid reason. First saying Notley should 'pick' him, which isn't how it works, and then that he should be nominated.

Which would leave the Liberals with no representation in the Legislature. Yeah, I'm sure he was super keen to do that.
 

Tiktaalik

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Tom Mulcair Plans To Stick With NDP 'For The Long Haul'

OTTAWA — Tom Mulcair plans to stick with the New Democrats for the long-term, but his fate is ultimately at the mercy of party supporters and a leadership review in Edmonton in the spring.

The party's constitution stipulates a secret vote will be held at the upcoming convention and if more than 50 per cent of the ballots call for a leadership election, it must be held within a year.

For his part, Mulcair isn't planning on going anywhere.

"The election results were, of course, not what we wanted but with our best result outside of the orange wave, the NDP and Tom Mulcair are in it for the long haul," said Mulcair spokesman George Smith.

Long-time Ottawa MP Paul Dewar, who was defeated on Monday by Liberal Catherine McKenna, said stability is important for the party now.

"I think it would be, frankly, foolhardy right now to be looking at a new leader and we should be consolidating the gains we made," Dewar said. "Particularly when you look at British Columbia, Saskatchewan, these were really important gains."

The NDP says Mulcair is focused on moving forward with his team of 44 MPs, which includes several new members who will need help in their transition.

The party is still reeling, however, after stars such as Ontario's Peggy Nash and Nova Scotia's Megan Leslie, were sidelined by the Liberal wave of support.

"I would say the result was very difficult," said Niki Ashton, who was re-elected in northern Manitoba. "It was clear that we were beating back a Liberal wave even in our area."

Mulcair remains hopeful he can hold the new government to account in the Commons, where he earned high praise in for his past performance.

Former prime minister Brian Mulroney even characterized Mulcair as the best opposition leader since John Diefenbaker.

The NDP plans to press Trudeau to pursue his electoral promises, such as calling a national inquiry into missing and murdered aboriginal women.

"I'm certainly looking forward to seeing progress on that front, but we need to make sure that commitments across the board are being lived up to," Ashton said. "Many commitments were made during this election and we've got our work cut out for us."

The NDP also questions where the prime minister-designate stands on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which Trudeau discussed on Tuesday during a telephone conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama.

"Canadians are expecting the NDP and Mr. Mulcair to stand up strong and hold the new government to account when it comes to a variety of issues," said Smith. "That is what we will do."

NDP strategist Shay Purdy, who worked on Jack Layton's 2011 election campaign, says there's a recognition among party supporters that Mulcair was "the party's biggest asset coming into and during this campaign."

"He's still very well respected," Purdy said. "I think there's still going to be quite a bit of support for him and lots of reasons to be optimistic that, come the next election, he's just the right kind of leader that we might need to fight for the NDP."

Mulcair was quite good as opposition leader, and he's in opposition now. Quebec still gave the NDP a base as well, so it seems worth having someone around that can build on that.
 

Vibranium

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Elizabeth May is aware of the petitions and has already said its not something that she would accept.

People are forgetting that as a member of Cabinet she would be expected to tow the party line. Including on decisions that she disagreed with.

She could possibly be invited to be part of the Canadian delegation to the Paris talks.

Exactly, she wants to be involved with the environmental scene outside the party. Considering her and Trudeau have known each other for a long time, I could see her being a part of Canada's representation at talks, which would be awesome.

I'm really happy my riding is really being highlighted by her.
 

Pakkidis

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Mulcair was quite good as opposition leader, and he's in opposition now. Quebec still gave the NDP a base as well, so it seems worth having someone around that can build on that.

NDP makes an excellent opposition party especially against the conservatives, problem is people don't have much faith in them to run the country.
 

Tabris

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Exactly, she wants to be involved with the environmental scene outside the party. Considering her and Trudeau have known each other for a long time, I could see her being a part of Canada's representation at talks, which would be awesome.

I agree with this 100%. Elizabeth May needs to be our minister of environment or whatever it is, but I doubt that'll happen as they'll want a 100% Liberal cabinet - so at least part of environmental panels and groups such as Paris talks.
 
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Go ahead and make this thread about Trudeau's stance on gamergate!

Fearing for his security doesn't make sense; he's the prime minister of Canada! If those idiots really are stupid enough to try to intimidate him, it'll blow in their face spectacularly. I'd love to see this, it would be a beautiful trainwreck to watch.

EDIT: I can't find the source of his gamergate quote... Any link?
 

firehawk12

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Luxury sales tax usually backfires. What happens is rich people stop buying yachts, and the people who make yachts (working class people) lose their jobs.

If you're gonna sin tax, put it on actual behaviours you want to discourage.

edit: Dyack is unhirable LOL His Kickstarter funds are all drying out from what I heard.
I'm not even talking higher end stuff. If GST went back up to 7% on stuff like TVs and iPhones and whatever, surely no one would notice and it'd be a way to restore some of the revenue lost by cutting the GST in the first place.
 

Tabris

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I'm not even talking higher end stuff. If GST went back up to 7% on stuff like TVs and iPhones and whatever, surely no one would notice and it'd be a way to restore some of the revenue lost by cutting the GST in the first place.

That's a horrible idea. Tax high-earning income, not sales. You want to keep sales as high as possible. When you reduce income tax, it just leads to dead money on the higher end earners, but increasing sales tax does lead to less sales when we need more.

I don't mean any offence to this, but you need to balance your principles with the economic realities of the world. Just the perspective I'm getting from this and the TPP discussion.

EDIT - In an economic stagnation - the 3 things you don't ever want to increase taxes on: corporations (you want more corporations opening offices here, especially American corporations), small businesses (you want Canadian businesses to expand), and sales (you want Canadians to spend money).

But taxing income, especially higher brackets is fine, as we are definitely undertaxing them right now.
 
Elizabeth May is aware of the petitions and has already said its not something that she would accept.

People are forgetting that as a member of Cabinet she would be expected to tow the party line. Including on decisions that she disagreed with.

She could possibly be invited to be part of the Canadian delegation to the Paris talks.

I see that is unfortunate... then again it might be better since this clearly shows that she favours politics more then working together for a common goal
 
One of the principles of the executive office is cabinet solidarity. This means that while cabinet members can disagree in private, they must all agree with the Prime Minister (and each other) publicly. Why would an opposition MP want that job if it meant sacrificing their own views and opinions? Well except the pay raise I guess.
 

Tabris

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One of the principles of the executive office is cabinet solidarity. This means that while cabinet members can disagree in private, they must all agree with the Prime Minister (and each other) publicly. Why would an opposition MP want that job if it meant sacrificing their own views and opinions? Well except the pay raise I guess.

Because they have the potential to influence more in private then as a normal MP in a majority where their only influence is in sessions like Question Period.
 

Tiktaalik

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That's a horrible idea. Tax high-earning income, not sales. You want to keep sales as high as possible. When you reduce income tax, it just leads to dead money on the higher end earners, but increasing sales tax does lead to less sales when we need more.

I don't mean any offence to this, but you need to balance your principles with the economic realities of the world. Just the perspective I'm getting from this and the TPP discussion.

EDIT - In an economic stagnation - the 3 things you don't ever want to increase taxes on: corporations (you want more corporations opening offices here, especially American corporations), small businesses (you want Canadian businesses to expand), and sales (you want Canadians to spend money).

But taxing income, especially higher brackets is fine, as we are definitely undertaxing them right now.

High sales taxes are the economic reality of much of the developed world, for example Europe. Sales taxes in the UK are 20% and 25% in Sweden. Most countries in the region fall somewhere in between.
 

Tabris

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It's a balance between compromising and maintaining the values that you got elected on.

The former allows you to get things done that are important for you in some capacity, the later allows you to get re-elected again.
 

Tabris

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High sales taxes are the economic reality of much of the developed world, for example Europe. Sales taxes in the UK are 20% and 25% in Sweden. Most countries in the region fall somewhere in between.

And you can increase it when you are in an economic upturn and market confidence is high. We have low market confidence, you don't do that now.

I find it so weird that NDP supporters want to increase taxes on things that are tied to the economy but don't want to increase taxes on high-earning Canadians ($200k+).

Not very socialist. Socialism is about everyone sharing in the good of the society so everyone can live an equal lifestyle. It's a core tenant of socialism to take from the rich to give to the poor to balance society.
 

ItIsOkBro

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Now that you mention that, how about instead we do a tax on junk food (chips, cookies, chocolate, pop, ect) and Unhealthy forms of Fast Food, then we use that revenue generated to subsidize healthy food.
That, is a fine idea I think, as long as cheap healthy food can make its way into poorer communities where right now it isn't economically wise to sell in.
 

Tiktaalik

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And you can increase it when you are in an economic upturn and market confidence is high. We have low market confidence, you don't do that now.

I find it so weird that NDP supporters want to increase taxes on things that are tied to the economy but don't want to increase taxes on high-earning Canadians ($200k+).

Is anyone here actually saying this? I mean aside from Mulcair a few weeks ago.

I don't even know how we got side tracked into talking about sales tax.
 
yeah if we can some how make it easier for poorer household to access more healthy alternatives and wholesome foods then taxing sugary foods would be fine
 

Tabris

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Hmm countries such as Denmark, Finland, Sweden are not built on social democratic principles? Ok Tabris.

They are, they tax income on high earners much higher.

They didn't increase sales tax when in economic recession / stagnation. It's all about timing. You increase that incrementally and during economic peaks.

I mean honestly, this is economics 101. You do things to generate economic upturns and market confidence, not the other way around.
 

Stumpokapow

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Hmm countries such as Denmark, Finland, Sweden are not built on social democratic principles? Ok Tabris.

Consumption taxes are regressive. The country can be socially progressive or redistributive generally and still be regressive in their consumption taxes

To see why, ask yourself whether McDonald's costs more for rich people or poor people.

You can make them slightly less regressive by exempting essential goods, but until Cartier and D&G have 500% taxes we're not going to change the fundamental regressivity.

A revenue-neutral shift from consumption to income taxes would increase progressivity.
 
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