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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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Willectro

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Expansion Pack said:
New Forum poll came out today.

Canada: NDP at 34%, CPC at 29%, LPC at 28%, Greens and Bloc at 4%
Atlantic: NDP at 39%, LPC at 32%
Quebec: NDP at 40%, LPC at 23%, Bloc at 17%, CPC at 16%
Ontario: CPC at 33%, LPC at 32%, NDP at 31%
Prairies: CPC at 42%, NDP at 28%
Alberta: CPC at 47%, NDP at 27%
BC: NDP at 39%, LPC at 28%, CPC at 24%

Seat projection: NDP at 133 seats, CPC at 123 seats, LPC at 79 seats, Bloc at 2 seats, Green at 1 seat.

Looks like the Quebec tsunami is making waves in Atlantic Canada. Also, that moment when you realize the LPC only has 1% less support than the CPC but are projected to win 44 seats fewer. Incredible.
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Where is Deez Nuts in these stats?
 
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Tiktaalik

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cerulily said:
Is this even possible? This sounds like something that would be put up for a Referendum, not a vote by the house.
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Here's a quote from NDP MP Nathan Cullen about the issue.

Cullen also asserted that an NDP government would move quickly to bring in a mixed-member proportional-representation system by the following election. He argued that a referendum on electoral reform won’t be necessary.

“If we seek that mandate and gain that mandate, we will see that as an opportunity to affect the voting system,” Cullen said. “Canadians weren’t consulted when first-past-the-post was brought in. It was just done. We’ve never been consulted since. We’re going to do something a lot more democratic and fair.”

via http://www.straight.com/news/494681...beral-coalition-end-stephen-harper-government
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SRG01

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Expansion Pack said:
New Forum poll came out today.

Canada: NDP at 34%, CPC at 29%, LPC at 28%, Greens and Bloc at 4%
Atlantic: NDP at 39%, LPC at 32%
Quebec: NDP at 40%, LPC at 23%, Bloc at 17%, CPC at 16%
Ontario: CPC at 33%, LPC at 32%, NDP at 31%
Prairies: CPC at 42%, NDP at 28%
Alberta: CPC at 47%, NDP at 27%
BC: NDP at 39%, LPC at 28%, CPC at 24%

Seat projection: NDP at 133 seats, CPC at 123 seats, LPC at 79 seats, Bloc at 2 seats, Green at 1 seat.

Looks like the Quebec tsunami is making waves in Atlantic Canada. Also, that moment when you realize the LPC only has 1% less support than the CPC but are projected to win 44 seats fewer. Incredible.
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That's strange. Weren't the Liberals doing really well in the Atlantic provinces, and now the NDP is beating the Liberals by 7%?
 
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CitizenVectron

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Yeah there is no requirement for a referendum on MMP or any other change to the voting system. The constitution doesn't actually even mention how we vote. Heck, it doesn't even mention the Prime Minister exists, it's just a part of our existing system. Technically you could have no PM and have some sort of weird joint-cabinet rule of the executive.
 
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SRG01

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TheGreatPotato said:
Yeah there is no requirement for a referendum on MMP or any other change to the voting system. The constitution doesn't actually even mention how we vote. Heck, it doesn't even mention the Prime Minister exists, it's just a part of our existing system. Technically you could have no PM and have some sort of weird joint-cabinet rule of the executive.
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If I remember correctly, there's no such thing as a cabinet either?


On another note, I was just reading on TPP and the dairy industry on the National Post and it got me thinking: why would the CPC be against the Canadian Wheat Board but is willing to protect supply management of the dairy industry? All three parties have mentioned their support for dairy farmers, but it ideologically makes no sense for the CPC to do so given their past policies.
 
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gutter_trash

Banned
all I want for this election now is for Conservatives to fall to 3rd place in terms of Seats and the complete obliteration of the Bloc down to 0
 
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CitizenVectron

Member
SRG01 said:
If I remember correctly, there's no such thing as a cabinet either?


On another note, I was just reading on TPP and the dairy industry on the National Post and it got me thinking: why would the CPC be against the Canadian Wheat Board but is willing to protect supply management of the dairy industry? All three parties have mentioned their support for dairy farmers, but it ideologically makes no sense for the CPC to do so given their past policies.
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Because there was a large enough outcry from their base in the west to get rid of it, even if the majority opposed it. But with dairy, I think most of the existing farmers support it (at least that's my understanding).
 
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Azih

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TheGreatPotato said:
Because there was a large enough outcry from their base in the west to get rid of it, even if the majority opposed it. But with dairy, I think most of the existing farmers support it (at least that's my understanding).
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Most farmers supported the wheat board too.

Any prarie gaffers here? I was under the impression that privatization hasn't gone well. Surprised that the conservatives are doing well.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...e-wheat-board/article21810531/?service=mobile


I've been polled a few times.

'If an election was held today...'
 
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Boogie

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gabbo said:
I was thinking more big picture than marijuana, but yes I suppose (apparently mistakenly) that I was.
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I was just teasing with my tone.

But yeah, we're not America.

7 years ago, just as an example, a guy tending a 450-plant indoor grow-op in a suburban neighbrouhood was sentenced to just four months in prison and a year's probation.

Courts will barely bother with simple marijuana possession charges these days, I can't imagine someone actually getting time in jail for it in 2015.
 
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SRG01

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Azih said:
Most farmers supported the wheat board too.

Any prarie gaffers here? I was under the impression that privatization hasn't gone well. Surprised that the conservatives are doing well.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...e-wheat-board/article21810531/?service=mobile


I've been polled a few times.

'If an election was held today...'
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I'm from Alberta. I don't think anyone was against the Wheat Board persay, but just that some key players really wanted to sell outside of the CWB's jurisdiction. Contrast that with the dairy industry, where there isn't a real impetus to sell outside of the supply management scheme.

Having said that, eliminating the CWB and dairy supply management are ideologically the same, so I don't understand the rationale behind keeping one and not the other aside from political/voting reasons.
 
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NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
Morrigan Stark said:
If Quebec helps the NDP win the election and get rid of the CPC, will the RoC stop hating on us? :D

I'm not being serious
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maharg

idspispopd
I think a big difference between the wheat and dairy boards, in terms of why support for killing the wheat board is stronger out west, is that the wheat board's controls only applied to western Canada. The dairy controls apply to the whole country.
 
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NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
This is looking like an ugly election. All parties firing attack ads that's misleading and just terrible all around. Never seen this much negativity in an election before.
 
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Tiktaalik

Member
NetMapel said:
This is looking like an ugly election. All parties firing attack ads that's misleading and just terrible all around. Never seen this much negativity in an election before.
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Oh I think it's been pretty tame so far. Remember this ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMsqEph7a8I

We still have a month or so until we start to see ads that absurd.

Edit: I think over the top anti-Harper ads in 2006 were a significant reason why the Liberals lost that election.
 
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MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
I'd like to think these attack ads are doing more of the exact opposite than what they are intending. So far every family, friend, or even complete strangers I run into at parties have done nothing than make fun of them or berate particular parties for using such tactics.

Of course, that's not a proper representative sample, and politics in general has usually proven me wrong all the time anyways.
 
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maharg

idspispopd
MMarston said:
I'd like to think these attack ads are doing more of the exact opposite than what they are intending. So far every family, friend, or even complete strangers I run into at parties have done nothing than make fun of them or berate particular parties for using such tactics.

Of course, that's not a proper representative sample, and politics in general has usually proven me wrong all the time anyways.
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When you hear someone actually say "I just don't know if Justin is ready..." within an hour of saying something really negative about the conservatives is when you realize these ads often work even on people who otherwise think they're stupid trash.
 
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BigJonsson

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gabbo said:
I'm glad I had no idea what was going on in politics at 8, because that would have been horrible to me then, because it's absolutely disgusting now.
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I remember the backlash pretty clearly and I was pretty young, but my parents were pretty into the news so I guess it stuck
 
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balohna

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Voted NDP the last 2 elections, likely to do it again unless they really screw something up. My riding is traditionally NDP anyway. Not too long ago they were a fourth place party, so it's cool to see them grow like this. I don't necessarily put a lot of trust in politicians, but Mulcair seems better than most. To me he's the best choice for PM out of the bunch.

My ideal would be an NDP majority with Liberal opposition, but that seems unlikely.
 
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gabbo

Member
balohna said:
Voted NDP the last 2 elections, likely to do it again unless they really screw something up. My riding is traditionally NDP anyway. Not too long ago they were a fourth place party, so it's cool to see them grow like this. I don't necessarily put a lot of trust in politicians, but Mulcair seems better than most. To me he's the best choice for PM out of the bunch.

My ideal would be an NDP majority with Liberal opposition, but that seems unlikely.
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But not outside the realm of possibility.
 
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subrock

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Voted NDP on Friday using a special ballot. I'd encourage others that are decided to go do the same. The process took about 3 minutes at an empty Elections Canada office.
 
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Blues1990

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I do my best to keep myself up to date with the general elections and what political parties are the most ideal to vote for. But, I generally don't trust any of the candidates, as I feel like I'm voting for the lesser of two evils.

It doesn't help that regardless of who we elect, it's largely meaningless, because our politicians from all the major parties take orders from the people who run our economy, not the other way around. I ask myself every election for why I bother voting, as I hold my nose and vote for the least odious of a set of bad options.
 
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gutter_trash

Banned
since the Bloc is in free fall, I can feel free to vote for who I want without being Strategic.

I will vote Liberal even if they are 3rd place in my riding. The NDP's Leverdiere has a near 20 point lead over Gilles Duceppe himself. So even though I support the wipe-out of the Bloc and voting Strategic NDP would do this. I really want to support the Liberals all the way

Anyway, there is a strong chance that Trudeau will turn the tide and become our next Prime Minister
 
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subrock

Member
Blues1990 said:
I do my best to keep myself up to date with the general elections and what political parties are the most ideal to vote for. But, I generally don't trust any of the candidates, as I feel like I'm voting for the lesser of two evils.
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Who are your candidates?
 
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Silexx

Member
Blues1990 said:
I do my best to keep myself up to date with the general elections and what political parties are the most ideal to vote for. But, I generally don't trust any of the candidates, as I feel like I'm voting for the lesser of two evils.
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But this is what is so exciting about this election, there are now three evils to choose from!

It doesn't help that regardless of who we elect, it's largely meaningless, because our politicians from all the major parties take orders from the people who run our economy, not the other way around. I ask myself every election for why I bother voting, as I hold my nose and vote for the least odious of a set of bad options.
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Ok, in all honesty, I have no idea what you're trying to get at here. Who runs our economy? Corporations? Unions? The Illuminati?
 
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Vamphuntr

Member
This seems pretty good so far for me. Getting rid of both Harper and PET Junior would be great. My only gripe is that I don't trust Mulcair much, he was a liberal at a provincial level after all.
 
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diaspora

Member
Vamphuntr said:
This seems pretty good so far for me. Getting rid of both Harper and PET Junior would be great. My only gripe is that I don't trust Mulcair much, he was a liberal at a provincial level after all.
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I would have figured that him being a Thatcherite would be a bigger flag for you.
 
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Vamphuntr

Member
diaspora said:
I would have figured that him being a Thatcherite would be a bigger flag for you.
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He probably isn't a Thatcherite anyway. It's only that quote thing that exploded into a miniature scandal. I really doubt Jack Layton would have welcomed that kind of people on his team since it goes against the very essence of the NDP.
 
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GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
We got a Liberal sign put up on our yard. So far there's only two signs up on our street, a Conservative sign and a Liberal sign(our house).
 
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Spl1nter

Member
GSG Flash said:
We got a Liberal sign put up on our yard. So far there's only two signs up on our street, a Conservative sign and a Liberal sign(our house).
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For our campaign we are placing signs on canvasses and major roads but really holding off still till labour day. We will have 500+ going up than.
 
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sikkinixx

Member
GSG Flash said:
We got a Liberal sign put up on our yard. So far there's only two signs up on our street, a Conservative sign and a Liberal sign(our house).
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Whoever wins should make it illegal for signs. It's a waste of money, resources and it's a fucking eyesore, especially when street corners are filled with 27 signs.
 
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diaspora

Member
Vamphuntr said:
He probably isn't a Thatcherite anyway. It's only that quote thing that exploded into a miniature scandal. I really doubt Jack Layton would have welcomed that kind of people on his team since it goes against the very essence of the NDP.
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What would Layton care? Winning was always a priority over principals, just like everyone else. He was just better at selling faux sincerity than anyone else.
 
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Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
gutter_trash said:
since the Bloc is in free fall, I can feel free to vote for who I want without being Strategic.

I will vote Liberal even if they are 3rd place in my riding. The NDP's Leverdiere has a near 20 point lead over Gilles Duceppe himself. So even though I support the wipe-out of the Bloc and voting Strategic NDP would do this. I really want to support the Liberals all the way

Anyway, there is a strong chance that Trudeau will turn the tide and become our next Prime Minister
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Your vote for the Liberal will accomplish nothing except splitting the non-Bloc vote. Vote for whoever you like, but your logic doesn't make sense. A single vote for a party that can't win isn't "supporting" anything except maybe in your head.
 
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Azih

Member
Morrigan Stark said:
Your vote for the Liberal will accomplish nothing except splitting the non-Bloc vote. Vote for whoever you like, but your logic doesn't make sense. A single vote for a party that can't win isn't "supporting" anything except maybe in your head.
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The Liberals don't even get $1.25 for your support anymore.
 
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diaspora

Member
Morrigan Stark said:
Your vote for the Liberal will accomplish nothing except splitting the non-Bloc vote. Vote for whoever you like, but your logic doesn't make sense. A single vote for a party that can't win isn't "supporting" anything except maybe in your head.
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There isn't much if any difference between the Bloc or NDP vote in QC anyway.
 
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gutter_trash

Banned
Morrigan Stark said:
Your voted for the Liberal will accomplish nothing except splitting the non-Bloc vote. Vote for whoever you like, but your logic doesn't make sense. A single vote for a party that can't win isn't "supporting" anything except maybe in your head.
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The NDP is guaranteed a win in my riding. I voted NDP twice strategically to oust Duceppe and it worked in 2011.

Now that the balance of the force will return to normal after Oct 19. We can finally vote for who we really like best.

I disagree with the NDP on business, corporate tax rates, federalism, and their relationship with nationalists

Wanting to apply Bill 101 to Federal Institutions inside Quebec should be considered as a big red flag along with the 50%+1 nonsense
 
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