Canadian Serial Killer Karla Homolka Volunteers at Elementary School

I can't imagine being this woman's daughter. Imagine when she starts getting older and begins to understand what her mother did. To her own sister! You think this girl will ever feel safe around her mother? If you read that transcript, she even told Bernardo that she wanted to have 4 daughters so that he could fuck every one of them.
 
I actually agree.

Everyone is always quick to rush to judgment, but we're not aware of exactly what kind of screening or psychological evaluation she was privy to before this decision was made.

We really need to stop assuming we know everything about a person based on what we read in the news.

You are approaching vaccines cause autism levels of judgement here.
 
I can't imagine being this woman's daughter. Imagine when she starts getting older and begins to understand what her mother did. To her own sister! You think this girl will ever feel safe around her mother? If you read that transcript, she even told Bernardo that she wanted to have 4 daughters so that he could fuck every one of them.
There's a pretty good article about someone growing up with a serial killer as a father. It's a fascinating, if depressing read.

http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a14820/my-dad-was-a-serial-killer/
 
Man, this has to be trolling. Never seen this kind of caping for a fucking serial rapist/serial killer who killed little girls including her own sister. But hey, how do you know Principal Magoo isn't a terrorist, or that lunchlady isn't a sociopath herself right ...
It is because it is a woman, if it was a man post would be different I think
 
She only got 12 years for doing all that?

Lucky psycho is probably still laughing.

Wait hold on. This woman has kids OF HER OWN!
THAT SHE IS ALLOWED TO KEEP!

The world has gone mad!
 
Here's the challenge... where I have trouble.

Do we ever want to allow murderers to live normal lives? To be redeemed, or absolved in any way of their crime? Because if not, why not just keep them in prison forever? Why not just kill them? This woman has kids, she takes them to school and wants to be a part of their lives, like a lot of mothers do.

...

Should that not be allowed? I guess I might be in the extreme here, but I believe very very strongly in a rehabilitation focused criminal justice system. One where once you've 'done your time', have had therapy, and are allowed and encouraged to reintegrate into society and do good, redeeming things.

I would prefer a case by case basis depending on severity and circumstance. I believe in rehabilitation too, but in a case of murdering school children and then allowing her back near school children is a bad idea. Restrictions are necessary because that's the life and decisions they chose so it can't be absolved just how victims can't come back to us.
 
Killing 2 people makes you a serial killer? She shouldn't be allowed in the school because of her crimes, not because she's a series killer.
 
I actually agree.

Everyone is always quick to rush to judgment, but we're not aware of exactly what kind of screening or psychological evaluation she was privy to before this decision was made.

We really need to stop assuming we know everything about a person based on what we read in the news.
No. Fuck her.

She is a convicted serial killer who helped her husband rape and kill her own fucking sister, along with at least two other women.

She should be in prison for life like her ex-husband, except she got off easy with a plea bargain where she sold out her husband and accomplice.

And you think someone like this deserves forgiveness because she's been in jail for 12 years?

Fuck. Her. She deserves to be in jail for life, at the very least.
 
Killing 2 people makes you a serial killer? She shouldn't be allowed in the school because of her crimes, not because she's a series killer.
I don't even understand your point. Being a serial killer isn't a good enough reason to ban someone from schools ?
 
Killing 2 people makes you a serial killer? She shouldn't be allowed in the school because of her crimes, not because she's a series killer.

She is a serial rapist and serial killer who killed 3 people including her little sister. I don't know what qualifier you have but when someone hunts down and kills 3 people over a time period, they are considered serial killers. They would have killed more were they not caught. Damn you guys really want to downplay who she really is here.
 
Why in hell would the school let her do this in the first place? And then tell the parents who have a LEGITIMATE concern with the safety of their children, they are not welcomed in the fall???

Killing 2 people makes you a serial killer? She shouldn't be allowed in the school because of her crimes, not because she's a series killer.

Wait what?!

NOT because of being a series killer?
 
So, from what I read she got off because they made the deal before other evidence came to light that showed she was far more involved, like an active person in the crimes.

Can't convict her on something she already pleaded down to, but the argument that she "paid her price" is just blatantly wrong because if prosecutors had all the evidence she would have been thrown in jail for life with her husband.

So for those of you joining us.

Karla Homolka is a Canadian serial killer and rapist who participated in the kidnapping, torture and murder of 3 teenage girls. The first victim was her own sister, Tammy whom her husband and accomplice Paul Bernardo wanted to rape. Karla drugged her 15 years old sister at at family party, and raped and killed her with Paul while filming the murder. After the funeral she rubbed a rose on Paul's penis and laid it on her sister's grave. She then wore her dead sister's clothes, and had sex with Paul in a homemade porn film shot in Tammy's bed, while she was acting as Tammy. They went on to kidnap and murder two other teenage girls and made snuff films out of the crimes which include both Paul and Karla raping and torturing the girls. In the videos Paul piss and shit on the victims. One of the girls was dismembered and encased in cement.

Eventually they got caught but Karla played the part of abused victim. She was forced to helped Paul. The prosecution offered her a plea deal thinking her testimony would settle Paul's fate. After the deal was signed, they found their stash of snuff films and realized Karla was an active killer and rapist. But the law protected her rights to not incriminate herself. And she had disclosed a lot of good info. She got only 12 years because of the deal she made. Videos also showed her raping 4 other females victims.

While in prison, she became a manipulative queen bee who used female inmates and male guards for her entertainment and benefit. Prison psychiatrists diagnosed her as a malignant narcissist who probably pushed Paul to kill. He was a serial rapist but never a killer. She was deemed a danger and was refused release for as long as they could...but the deal was there. She was released. She immediately started dating a man who murdered a woman.

Now she is working at a school in Montreal with young girls. You might think this is not OK. Or not. Some Gaffers thinks she's rehabilitated despite the Canadian authorities's insistence that's she's not. You can google the case, and make up your own mind.

That's a great summary and basically puts a bucket on the fire that is the argument she deserves a second chance.

She is obviously a danger to society and is only free because of an unforeseen error in the prosecutors moves.

The fact the school has refused to do anything about this situation is quite disgusting, although I wonder if there is legal issues hanging over their head if they move to remove her from the school.
 
Why in hell would the school let her do this in the first place? And then tell the parents who have a LEGITIMATE concern with the safety of their children, they are not welcomed in the fall???



Wait what?!

NOT because of being a series killer?

Fried food is being pedantic. Basically, saying that Homolka's crime, of course, disqualify her from being near school children, but that having killed 2 people does not make a serial killer.
 
But she killed three, and the general definition of a serial killer is someone who kills three people or more with a cooling off period. Not only is it pointless pedantry, it's also factually wrong and just makes the poster look dumb for trying to point it out.
 
Killing 2 people makes you a serial killer? She shouldn't be allowed in the school because of her crimes, not because she's a series killer.

She's classified as a serial killer

1) She killed at least 3 people

2) She gained personal satisfaction from such actions.

Those are the basic requirements for such a classification.
 
But she killed three, and the general definition of a serial killer is someone who kills three people or more with a cooling off period. Not only is it pointless pedantry, it's also factually wrong and just makes the poster look dumb for trying to point it out.

I'm no expert on this (having watched one documentary) but I don't *think* technically it counts as murder for her sister's killing as she choked on her own vomit after being drugged (by her admittedly)
 
Fried food is being pedantic. Basically, saying that Homolka's crime, of course, disqualify her from being near school children, but that having killed 2 people does not make a serial killer.

He is being a very poor one then as his grasp of the facts is shabby at best.

Homolka is a serial killer by most any useful definition of the term, legal or otherwise.

Fried Oreos was too eager to drop that clever wit on us and gobble up the little boost it gave his sense of self importance.
 
I'm no expert on this (having watched one documentary) but I don't *think* technically it counts as murder for her sister's killing as she choked on her own vomit after being drugged (by her admittedly)

Her sister choked because of her. Her sister would still be alive were it not for her actions.

This is like saying pushing someone into traffic isnt your fault because a car hit them. Her sister wouldnt have choked to death if Karla hadnt drugged her.

What the fuck is up with people going to bat for a serial killer and rapist?

For that other ignorant person saying shes not a serial killer. Shes killed at least 3, thats a serial killer by definition no matter which law enforcement agency you ask.
 
Her sister choked because of her. Her still would still be alive were it not for her actions.

This is like saying pushing someone into traffic isnt your fault because a car hit them. Her sister wouldnt have choked to death if Karla hadnt drugged her.

What the fuck is up with people going to bat for a serial killer and rapist?

For that other ignorant person saying shes not a serial killer. Shes killed at least 3, thats a serial killer by definition no matter which law enforcement agency you ask.

I'm speaking from a legal definition of 'murder' here, not saying she wasn't responsible. Try calming down and reading my other comments in this thread.
 
I'm speaking from a legal definition of 'murder' here, not saying she wasn't responsible. Try calming down and reading my other comments in this thread.

She is referred to as a serial killer in several Canadian media sources. What is there to debate? Why is this something anyone wants to argue? Like really?
 
I'm no expert on this (having watched one documentary) but I don't *think* technically it counts as murder for her sister's killing as she choked on her own vomit after being drugged (by her admittedly)

Gross fact following.
Then sucked her boyfriend off in front of a fireplace while discussing how hot it was that he raped her sister and how sexy it made her feel. Then went to grab her dead sisters underwear and rub it on the guy to try to make him climax, while talking about how hot it would be to find other 13 year old virgins to rape together. Fucking seriously?
 
She is referred to as a serial killer in several Canadian media sources. What is there to debate? Why is this something anyone wants to argue? Like really?

What else is there to debate? She is a monster who managed to play the system and get away with murder, and shouldn't be allowed near kids, including her own.

A question was asked about the definition of 'serial killer' - someone responded that it takes 3, I then questioned whether she 'murdered' 3 people using the legal definition of murder, yet suddenly I'm being accused of 'going to bat' for her? Bizarre.
 
What else is there to debate? She is a monster who managed to play the system and get away with murder, and shouldn't be allowed near kids, including her own.

A question was asked about the definition of 'serial killer' - someone responded that it takes 3, I then questioned whether she 'murdered' 3 people using the legal definition of murder, yet suddenly I'm being accused of 'going to bat' for her? Bizarre.

Well, you're kinda de-railing the thread by making issue of what the technical classifications are for murder, if she actually murdered her sister, etc
 
Gross fact following.
Then sucked her boyfriend off in front of a fireplace while discussing how hot it was that he raped her sister and how sexy it made her feel. Then went to grab her dead sisters underwear and rub it on the guy to try to make him climax, while talking about how hot it would be to find other 13 year old virgins to rape together. Fucking seriously?

Here is the entirety of my contributions to this thread before being accused of 'going to bat' for a killer-rapist

I've never been to Canada but it sounds like a very forgiving country. Here, Maxine Carr had to be given a new identity just to allow her to walk the streets safely after serving her time, and 'all' she did was provide a false alibi for her murdering boyfriend.

That...is disturbing. Took her current name from a famous killer?

Also disturbing is the video transcript someone posted earlier in the thread (in spoilers) Really reveals the extent of her depravity. The Autopsy documentary is still up on HBO btw but it doesn't go into much more detail than featured here, although it does feature suitably creepy home video shot by the pair, the night before they murdered her sister. Wow.

Yeah she talks of having kids with Bernardo just so he can fuck them. She is all kinds of messed up with our without him and I'm amazed she is allowed even contact with her own children.

http://mascaramurder.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/karla-homolka-and-fireside-chat.html
 
What else is there to debate? She is a monster who managed to play the system and get away with murder, and shouldn't be allowed near kids, including her own.

A question was asked about the definition of 'serial killer' - someone responded that it takes 3, I then questioned whether she 'murdered' 3 people using the legal definition of murder, yet suddenly I'm being accused of 'going to bat' for her? Bizarre.

Do you think she murdered 3 people?

I'm not saying you are batting for her. I'm saying it's distasteful to even imply the third one wasn't a murder. It's well documented. Its been 25 years. Can we not do that?
 
Here is the entirety of my contributions to this thread before being accused of 'going to bat' for a killer-rapist

She was responsible for drugging her sister that lead to her death. That's murder.

Probably not premeditated, but still murder.

And yeah, I get you're just asking questions, that's cool.
 
As a Canadian NDP voter (most of the time, at least), Mulcair can get fucked. Homolka is a fucking monster and deserves much less than what she already has.

I suppose the real acid test of his convictions would be, "So... you wanna' put YOUR kid in that school now?"
 
She only got 12 years for doing all that?

Lucky psycho is probably still laughing.

Wait hold on. This woman has kids OF HER OWN!
THAT SHE IS ALLOWED TO KEEP!

The world has gone mad!

I'll say it again but she only got 12 years because of the deal she made. The police needed her testimony for Bernardo and she played the victim. It was only after the deal was made that the tapes were found and it was clear she was a willing participant.

Killing 2 people makes you a serial killer? She shouldn't be allowed in the school because of her crimes, not because she's a series killer.

3 people. One was her sister.

Also, fuck off Muclair.
 
Yup fuck Mulcair. No people should not forgive her if they don't want to. She can go to fucking hell.

I like how she has chosen the veneer of a Christian school to pretend to be a good person. Obviously leveraging that sense of misplaced kindness to improve her image and take advantage of the people there.
 
Did a bit more digging because this was bothering me, his full statement is definitely more nuanced than the pull quote but still gotta say I disagree

http://imgur.com/a/wUgNG

can't figure out why the imgur link not embedding

Yes, it is more nuanced and basically reduces to "the school and the community should decide whether to forgive this person and let her be around their children." Which is the correct (and only) stance to take, unfortunately.

He's wrong about Homolka paying her debt to society, though. He should stop saying that.
 
Yeah, sorry but I don't think she should be allowed near children ever again, including her own.

Any risk is too much risk. Awful situation, but children's safety comes first.
 
I like how she has chosen the veneer of a Christian school to pretend to be a good person. Obviously leveraging that sense of misplaced kindness to improve her image and take advantage of the people there.

Her case makes me physically ill. The only way her debt to society will ever be paid in my eyes is if she spends the rest of her pathetic life rotting in a cell. Fuck Mulcair. And she is obviously playing this for favoribility. It's entirely self serving.
 
Okay so I read about the murders and this person does not belong anywhere near a school, period. It was bad enough that Canadan investigators took too long with DNA sampling which could have prevented 3 victims from being killed. This however is completely unacceptable. She belongs in jail for the rest of her life. There's no way she doesn't try to rape and/or kill again.
 
I don't even know what is happening right now. My position on this isn't at all decided, I'm actually trying to have a discussion about this, I'm open to reading and learning, someone says something that's interesting to me and I say 'can you share some links', and multiple people are telling that is reflective of some sort of pattern? What does a sea lion have to do with anything? What the fuck are people even implying about me right now?

I don't know why people are so hostile about giving the benefit of the doubt to a serial killer who's working around children. Can't we just have a reasonable, rational discussion about wether or not a serial killer working around children might actually be a good thing? Just asking questions here
 
Okay so I read about the murders and this person does not belong anywhere near a school, period. It was bad enough that Canadan investigators took too long with DNA sampling which could have prevented 3 victims from being killed. This however is completely unacceptable. She belongs in jail for the rest of her life. There's no way she doesn't try to rape and/or kill again.

Actually, I CAN believe that she might not do it again for the rest of her life if the required psychological "triggers" don't introduce themselves into her life. She's not dumb, she knows there's an extra level of scrutiny on her now, and if anything happened, law enforcement would come in hard and fast with heavy investigation and better forensics. She's aware her chances of getting away with it now are even lower than before and she probably doesn't think another jail sentence is worth it.

However, there is ZERO way I'd actually take the risk assuming that this wouldn't happen. As extreme as people thought Ben Affleck as Batman in BvS was being when he talked about the danger of Superman, saying "And if there's even a 1% chance that might happen, we have to take it as a given," and I think that applies in a situation like this as well. Considering the scale of what's already proven she's capable of, you can't just trust that nothing random or unexpected will come into her life and inspire her to try it again, not when horrifying and brutal rape/murders are the end result.
 
The weirdest part is how intensely the school is sticking up for her. What's the angle? They trying to tap into the serial killer education market?
 
Actually, I CAN believe that she might not do it again for the rest of her life if the required psychological "triggers" don't introduce themselves into her life. She's not dumb, she knows there's an extra level of scrutiny on her now, and if anything happened, law enforcement would come in hard and fast with heavy investigation and better forensics. She's aware her chances of getting away with it now are even lower than before and she probably doesn't think another jail sentence is worth it.

This is where I'm at too. I think any risk of her re-offending is mitigated by the fact that the Canadian judicial system would come after her so hard and fast that she has no hope of squirming her way out of it. It's certainly not an ideal way of trying to prevent her recidivism, but this where we're at, right now.
 
This is where I'm at too. I think any risk of her re-offending is mitigated by the fact that the Canadian judicial system would come after her so hard and fast that she has no hope of squirming her way out of it. It's certainly not an ideal way of trying to prevent her recidivism, but this where we're at, right now.

You want to risk your daughter's well-being and life on the fact you don't think Karla will re-offend? There is a reason that people who commit vehicular manslaughter are not allowed to be behind the wheel of another vehicle for 10+ years, maybe the rest of their lives. Why violent felons are not allowed firearms, why convicted pedophiles (and Karla Homolka IS a pedophile, they targeted underage tween girls) are not allowed near parks, schools or children is to mitigate risk to the rest of us.

The fact the judicial system would come down on hard means jackshit. She shouldn't be allowed near schools, kids, parks or children, period. She doesn't deserve the right to be around children than children have the right not to be around a serial killer. The school didn't even tell parents and then told them they would have to take their kids elsewhere when they complained.

I think you are so far removed from these sociopaths you don't see their tricks or see how dangerous they still are. I studied Criminology 5 years as my major, minor in Psychology, worked with violent offenders for 2+ years doing restorative justice bullshit I was fed thinking they would change, worked with at-risk youth. Violent offenders rarely change, and serial killers/serial rapists/convicted pedophiles who acted on their behaviours are almost certain not to. Her behavior in prison, her babe in the woods routine when she was just as twisted as Paul Bernardo and willing to commit these crimes shows she isn't innocent.
 
Oh man, I never really looked too closely into this case and read about it.
I just read a transcript of one of the video tapes they made together, she should probably not have kids...

Spoiler tags because I think it's very disturbing:
Jesus Christ. I'm all for rehabilitation, but this is vile. Don't even think she should be around her own children.
What's wrong with that school?
 
You want to risk your daughter's well-being and life on the fact you don't think Karla will re-offend? There is a reason that people who commit vehicular manslaughter are not allowed to be behind the wheel of another vehicle for 10+ years, maybe the rest of their lives. Why violent felons are not allowed firearms, why convicted pedophiles (and Karla Homolka IS a pedophile, they targeted underage tween girls) are not allowed near parks, schools or children is to mitigate risk to the rest of us.

The fact the judicial system would come down on hard means jackshit. She shouldn't be allowed near schools, kids, parks or children, period. She doesn't deserve the right to be around children than children have the right not to be around a serial killer. The school didn't even tell parents and then told them they would have to take their kids elsewhere when they complained.

I think you are so far removed from these sociopaths you don't see their tricks or see how dangerous they still are. I studied Criminology 5 years as my major, minor in Psychology, worked with violent offenders for 2+ years doing restorative justice bullshit I was fed thinking they would change, worked with at-risk youth. Violent offenders rarely change, and serial killers/serial rapists/convicted pedophiles who acted on their behaviours are almost certain not to. Her behavior in prison, her babe in the woods routine when she was just as twisted as Paul Bernardo and willing to commit these crimes shows she isn't innocent.

I think you're putting words in my mouth here. I also happen to come from the same educational background as you, so no need to flash your credentials at me, thanks.

I never said I was ok with her being around children, I've previously said that she deserves to be serving a life sentence, but that's not how events played out. She pretty much got away with murder and is now walking free. My point was solely that, at the end of the day, the decision about her being in any vicinity of the school comes down to the school itself, which they've decided to allow. It is a boneheaded decision, in my opinion, but it's their decision to take.

I'm not here proclaiming that she is fully rehabilitated and is at 0 risk to re-offend, but I also think that she is most likely not to commit any horrific act like she did with Bernardo given the immense scrutiny she is now under and likely not going to be able to get away with the plea deal she got before in today's world.
 
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