FunkyPajamas
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Yup. Made me chuckle.
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Captain America: The Winter Soldier SPOILER THREAD | ...does anyone want to get out?
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Yup. Made me chuckle.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What is Phase 2 and Phase 3 of these Marvel movies? I don't get it. I've seen it talked about all day today.
Cpt.Underpants
Member
Introduction of new members of the avengers or heroes and a new plot. Lead up until to Thanos(?)
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Phase 1
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers
Phase 2
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Phase 3
Ant-Man
Captain America 3
Thor 3
Doctor Strange(?)
??????
Avengers 3
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Phase 1 = all the films up to/including Avengers
Phase 2 = all the films up to/including Avengers 2
Phase 3 = all the films up to/including Avengers 3
etc.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I'm really hoping we get a Black Panther movie in Phase 3.
Dr Strange is probably good bet as one of the Phase 3 movies.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Cap 3'll be Phase 3 won't it? And wasn't a Thor sequel confirmed to be happening?
You might want to add Cap 3 to Phase 3 since it's been revealed to be the May 6(?), 2016, Marvel movie a few weeks after WB changed BvS original release date to that date.
TDLink
Member
Cap 3 and Thor 3 are confirmed Phase 3. Feige has all but confirmed Doctor Strange for Phase 3 too. He's also said Phase 3 should be bigger than the previous phases. Plus, the Netflix series coming next year are part of Phase 3.
I don't think they really consider the Netflix stuff part of any movie "Phase". While they're in a shared universe, Feige runs the movie stuff while Loeb runs the TV stuff right?
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Ah yes, thanks everyone. My mind just blanked. Will fix post.
TDLink
Member
No, Feige is executive producer/showrunner on all of the MCU, which includes the upcoming Netflix shows. Loeb is head of Marvel TV. Basically when it comes to TV shows Feige is above Loeb. Obviously though Feige is only one man and his attention has thus far been focused on the films. I'm not really sure how hands on he'll be with the 5 Netflix shows. I'm fairly certain they are part of the third MCU phase though.
Loeb's equivalent on the film side (for now) would be Whedon. Both report to Feige.
Feige is absolutely not the showrunner for Agents of SHIELD, and he doesn't appear to do any interviews for it. Loeb handles all the executive level PR. I know Feige is the big boss at Marvel Studios in general, but when it comes to being hands on, he doesn't seem very interested in the TV side at all, probably because he can't spare the time.
TDLink
Member
Looking into it a bit more, you're right, he has nothing to do with Agents of SHIELD. He doesn't even have a producer credit. I'm not really sure that means he will be hands off with the Netflix series though in the same way.
Well............
http://marvel.com/news/tv/2013/11/7...ric_four_series_epic_plus_a_mini-series_event
"Produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Television Studios, this groundbreaking deal is Marvels most ambitious foray yet into live-action TV storytelling."
Jeph Loeb is the head of Marvel Television. Kevin Feige is the president of Marvel Studios. The live action stuff now share the same universe, but I really don't think Feige has much to do with the TV stuff.
TDLink
Member
Well............
http://marvel.com/news/tv/2013/11/7...ric_four_series_epic_plus_a_mini-series_event
"Produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Television Studios, this groundbreaking deal is Marvels most ambitious foray yet into live-action TV storytelling."
Jeph Loeb is the head of Marvel Television. Kevin Feige is the president of Marvel Studios. The live action stuff now share the same universe, but I really don't think Feige has much to do with the TV stuff.
Yeah, you may be right. But I hope you aren't. Someone needs to reign in Loeb a bit so the Defenders series aren't the same mess that AoS is.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Doesn't Loeb hate long reaching arcs? I vaguely remember something about him hating a story arc taking more than an episode or two to resolve...
Wasn't italso one of the main reasons the latter half of EMH S2 sucked so hard?
Wasn't italso one of the main reasons the latter half of EMH S2 sucked so hard?
Jeph Loeb is the head of Marvel Television. Kevin Feige is the president of Marvel Studios. The live action stuff now share the same universe, but I really don't think Feige has much to do with the TV stuff.
That's correct. Every time Feige is asked a question about Agents of SHIELD or Netflix series, he always directs them to Loeb.
RellyRell28
Banned
Just looking at the timeline and didn't know Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk and Thor all happened in the same week.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Whoa, didn't know that.
Thor 2 and TWS take place a few weeks after each other if I'm not mistaken. (going by the AoS episodes for both)
I wouldn't have hated it, but eh.
I just hope they change their minds with the Sharon Carter thing, I always found that relationship kinda creepy.
Wasnt int confirmed by Feige, that we will get three Movies a year from Phase 3 onwards?
Callibretto
Member
read an interview with the script writer for The Winter Soldier, apparently the whole event only takes place in about 3 days.
also in another podcast reviewing the movie, I heard that Chris Evans and Scarlet Johansen write some of their dialog themselves, not Anthony Mackie though, although apparently he's unsatisfied with Falcon suit and was hoping to wear the red spandex costume. lol
also in another podcast reviewing the movie, I heard that Chris Evans and Scarlet Johansen write some of their dialog themselves, not Anthony Mackie though, although apparently he's unsatisfied with Falcon suit and was hoping to wear the red spandex costume. lol
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Winter Gear Soldier: Revengence.what would they call it though? The Winter Soldier 2?
Callibretto
Member
I heard they could/might do that but there's no confirmation that they will. maybe looking for how strong the marvel brand name is for their less known characters. so we should probably hope Guardians is a huge success.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I hope Mackie makes an appearance in AoU. Preferably with a proper suit and new wings.
Callibretto
Member
shouldn't Cap just ask Stark to make some new wing for his new buddy Falcon.
Go read Fury's Big Week! It fills in all the gaps.
The screenwriters of Cap 1, 2 & 3 addressed this in their reddit AMA yesterday:
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Only thing I disliked about the new uniform was wearing the helmet with it.
just looked weird.
WW2 costume with the helmet looks alright though.
Vanos_of_Manos
Neo Member
I've been saying this for a while now, pretty much ever since the post-credits scene in Avengers, but I have a personal theory that the very last movie in Phase 3 ( or the bridge between Phase 3/4) might be a big crossover movie outside of the normal films as a way to separate out the first "trilogy" of Phases/Avengers movies with the next (also as a way to hand the reins off to new characters/actors as by then quite a few of them may be skewing too old for their roles). It's just a hunch, and I've certainly no firm evidence, but in my meat brain it makes sense.
My current pet theory is that Avengers 3 won't actually be the big Thanos movie, but the last piece of the puzzle allowing it to happen. They're obvious setting up for the Infinity Gauntlet, and it's a huge enough concept to stand alone as it's own massive film. I mean, in the comics it took basically the entire universe's most powerful beings to try to stop him. At this point, we have three of the Infinity Gems(Stones) in play (Loki's Scepter, the Tessaract, the Aether) and they'd have until the end of AoU to put the remaining three in play.
Well, two as it looks like the Orb McGuffin from Guardians of the Galaxy will most likely be one as well. My money is that it may very well be the Soul Gem, with a potential Adam Warlock inside it. That final mystery movie before Avengers 3 may be left open for a potential GotG sequel.
I can see many ways it could play out. Marvel could do something insane like shoot Avengers 3 back-to-back with an Infinity Gauntlet movie, ending Avengers 3 with a huge cliffhanger. Judging by TWS, they're not adverse to ending their movies with a direct lead-in to another movie and not just in the usual post-credits way: Cap directly states he's going after Bucky in a way certainly intended to invoke stuff like the ending of Empire Strikes Back). For me, it's not even a question whether Marvel would be willing to try such a thing (this is the studio who's next movie involves a raccoon with a gun fetish), but more a question of when.
thecouncil
Banned
Probably becomes Captain America after Evans is done.
Saw it last night, thought it was really good, but left kinda empty because there's not much to discuss afterwards beyond nitpicking or pointless speculation for the next far-off step. For me, this definitely was a case of knowing too much from the comics, so the main tension wasn't the plot but seeing how'd they execute. I'll be happy the rewatch several of the action sequences.
Some nitpicks...
- Scar jo's hair was distractingly bad to me.
- I love Community, but seeing Abed took me out of the film.
- Crossbones seemed tiny.
Some nitpicks...
- Scar jo's hair was distractingly bad to me.
- I love Community, but seeing Abed took me out of the film.
- Crossbones seemed tiny.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
That's an interesting point. With Evans wanting to "retire" in a few years I could truly see them slowly transitioning Bucky to take over the role of Captain. I'd miss Evans, but I'm not entirely opposed to this idea.
disillusion386
Member
For sure. I'm just hoping they dedicate at least one film on the lead-up to him taking over as Captain America. The best Bucky character development moments in the comics happened right after Steve's "death" and before he took over.
Callibretto
Member
Marvel is not going to permanently kill steve rogers so bucky can be captain america. They'll recast evans although it'd be a shame since evans is perfect as steve rogers
Alcoremortis
Member
New fancanon. All of TWS is a secret episode of Community where Abed gets to be in a movie.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Indeed he should, hopefully with a red and white finish to them too. I just don't want to see him don the full suit though, not sure how well that'd transfer to the big screen.
Thanks for the recommend, I'll check it out over the weekend,
Yeah, I'd be happy with Bucky becoming the new 'Cap' after Avengers 3. He did a fantastic job in TWS and the character is more interesting than Cap.
thecouncil
Banned
Did they sign Dick Grayson for 9 movies?
Not gonna lie, I would've loved it if he had said "cool cool cool" after he let the heroes in. But then I'm extremely easily pandered to.
He really was the driving force for most of Brubaker's run. Quickly becomes interesting as he struggles with the idea of knowing he'll NEVER be as honest, good, or strong as Steve. He is earning the suit. That's a great character arc for cap 4 (or whatever) right there. I stopped reading after Captain America Reborn. I was just so disappointed in how that played out. Comics not sticking to ANYTHING is why I usually get frustrated and quit reading for years at a time.
Its pretty obivious that they just try to bound actors as long as possible to the roles. Also, this makes it easier to make One Shots and short cameos.
Really, we are in this point just to much into our nerdy superhero comicbubble. The people outside of it in the Mainstream audience wouldnt get it. They think Steve Rogers = Captain America. They are going to recast him just like they will recast Thor and Tony Stark.
Also, Steve Rogers IS Captain America. Bucky was just a needed imposter for a short timeframe. Just because comicbook fans loved him as Captain America doesnt change anything of it. Its like one of these awful comicbook thread here in GAF where people honestly claim that Dick Grayson is the true Batman.
If you think, Bucky will become Captain America for more than a half move, you would also believe that Sony would make 2-3 movies starring Ben Reilly as the main Spider-Man.
Not going to happen.
