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[Varna]

Did I hear Black Widow mention that she was in the KGB in this movie? Was that an admission that she is way older than she looks like in the comics? Or was she a 7 year old KGB member.

She did say that.

Aside from that possible continuity issue she was great in this movie. Really makes me wish we got a solo film... something more low key like like an assignment that just goes wrong would be great.

Yeah, it was like...
Cap: Woah, you're Bucky!
Winter Soldier: Who the hell is Bucky, breh?

I thought it was a bit odd that he responded to that at all to be honest....

 

[ViewtifulJC]

And The Winter Soldier was a figurehead for the larger Zola/Hydra plot, even if he didn't have much screen time. His presence was felt even when he wasn't seen.

Eh, felt more like he was the James Bond henchmen than anything.

But he was a great henchman. Hella screen presence.

 

[Messypandas]

Where Coulson at doe?

Coulson should have walked in when Steve saw Fury alive, then Bucky.

Cap "does anyone fucking die around here?"

 

[Seth C]

Did I hear Black Widow mention that she was in the KGB in this movie? Was that an admission that she is way older than she looks like in the comics? Or was she a 7 year old KGB member.

I think she said she worked with former KGB.

 

[inky]

Where Coulson at doe?

Babysitting Salvaging his special needs hand-picked team.

 

[artist]

I prefer quality over quantity myself and when Bucky is on the scene, shit goes down... Impressively.

Besides, what you quoted was flat out wrong "But his storyline is grafted on without really impacting the plot or the story’s larger ethical concerns."

Changing the course of history for over 50 years, not to mention alluding to assassinating the father of one of the main heroes, is indeed "impacting the plot and the larger ethical concerns".

You are right, I shouldnt be arguing this, it's perfectly typical for a Marvel movie.

 

[Scarecrow]

It was Baron Strucker and yeah that was Loki's staff.

This is why most comic costumes wont work on the big screen.

 

[The Outsider]

This is why most comic costumes wont work on the big screen.

I'm surprised they didn't at least give Von Strucker a bald head. Fucking Whedon.

 

[PsychBat!]

You are right, I shouldnt be arguing this, it's perfectly typical for a Marvel movie.

Is this a cop-out?

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

This is why most comic costumes wont work on the big screen.

I would kill to see that costume on the big screen.

The Comic book HYDRA costumes too while we're at it.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

Captain America: Alexander Pierce

 

[Varna]

Who's parents did Bucky kill? I missed that...

 

[chickdigger802]

so Tony Stark went from not trusting SHIELD at all in the Avengers to help design arc repulsor systems for 3 helicarriers no question asked.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Who's parents did Bucky kill? I missed that...

Tony Stark.

 

[odiin]

Did I hear Black Widow mention that she was in the KGB in this movie? Was that an admission that she is way older than she looks like in the comics? Or was she a 7 year old KGB member.

Remember in Avengers when the little girl lures Banner into the cabin and then jumps out the window?

Banner: Do they always start that young?
Widow: I did.

 

[artist]

Is this a cop-out?

Learning from this movie!

 

[Kai Dracon]

I kind of feel like a few lines and character moments, along with the destruction of SHIELD, where intended to set up free-roaming "super heroes" as a thing in the MCU. At first, it's almost entirely SHIELD's party. They're in control, determining whether to repress, hide, or make use of various "special people" who are showing up in the world.

But now they're gone. The scenes with Cap and Falcon, where Cap comes to realize he can't just be a solider and follow other people's orders anymore. Cap taking over and giving orders to SHIELD's remaining loyalists - and people deciding to follow because he's Captain America. Natasha at the end, telling off the investigations committee - setting up people like her as agents of their own volition, taking action as they see fit to deal with extraordinary situations.

With no SHIELD it seems people must decide to come together on their own starting in Age of Ultron.

 

[Spinluck]

Captain America: Alexander Pierce

Captain America: Death of Fury

 

[The Outsider]

Who's parents did Bucky kill? I missed that...

Stark's. There's a snippet where Zola reveals that Howard and Maria Stark's accident was no accident at all.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Now was Peggy Carter involved in starting up SHIELD? IF they killed Tony's dad, probably he wasn't down with that HYDRA shit, wouldn't they get her, too?

 

[crimsonspider89]

Yeah it is a cop-out.

One of those things.

 

[The Outsider]

I kind of feel like a few lines and character moments, along with the destruction of SHIELD, where intended to set up free-roaming "super heroes" as a thing in the MCU. At first, it's almost entirely SHIELD's party. They're in control, determining whether to repress, hide, or make use of various "special people" who are showing up in the world.

But now they're gone. The scenes with Cap and Falcon, where Cap comes to realize he can't just be a solider and follow other people's orders anymore. Cap taking over and giving orders to SHIELD's remaining loyalists - and people deciding to follow because he's Captain America. Natasha at the end, telling off the investigations committee - setting up people like her as agents of their own volition, taking action as they see fit to deal with extraordinary situations.

With no SHIELD it seems people must decide to come together on their own starting in Age of Ultron.

Which is a great way to handle the Avengers re-assembling without retreading old territory. I love how much of a game changer this movie really amounts to.

 

[Gorillaz]

Who's parents did Bucky kill? I missed that...

Tony's iirc.

I'm wondering if they will touch on that in the future. I mean they said this takes place around the same time Ironman 3 does right?

 

[Nesotenso]

You are right, I shouldnt be arguing this, it's perfectly typical for a Marvel movie.

well, everyone can't be like based DC and Nolan.

 

[BLACKLAC]

so Tony Stark went from not trusting SHIELD at all in the Avengers to help design arc repulsor systems for 3 helicarriers no question asked.

Doesn't want to go through that nasty bit of business with the propeller again.

And it wasn't a weapon system.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Remember in Avengers when the little girl lures Banner into the cabin and then jumps out the window?

Banner: Do they always start that young?
Widow: I did.

This is true! The line just made me think of that X-Men issue where Wolverine and Cap save her as a baby in World War 2. It's probably a good idea to not tie her into WW2 though.

 

[Korigama]

Back from seeing it. Not better than The Avengers, but definitely good (and certainly preferable to Iron Man 3). No idea what purpose Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. will continue to serve after this.

 

[BLACKLAC]

Back from seeing it. Not better than The Avengers, but definitely good (and certainly preferable to Iron Man 3). No idea what purpose Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. will continue to serve after this.

It should give the show a bit of freedom(heh..) to do more interesting and unpredictable things. Hopefully...

 

[Tobor]

Bad example, the whole damn movie was about the shark, even when he wasn't on screen.

Jaws is about Chief Brody. The shark is a force of nature. A mindless killing machine that Brody must confront.

 

[richiek]

So, would someone mind to recap all the "infinity gems" so far? As in what they are, what movie they were in, and where they are now. I've had a hard time keeping up.

The Tesseract, the Aether in Thor: The Dark World, and another one in Guardians of the Galaxy (the orb that Star Lord finds in the trailer).

Also, I'm guessing that the Eye of Agamotto will be an Infinity Stone in a Dr. Strange movie.

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

just got back from seeing Winter Soldier so I can FINALLY read through this thread!

HOLY DAMN this movie hit ALL of my high expectations!!! Best movie of 2014, nothing else is going to measure up!

 

[Secret Fawful]

You can complain about Von Strucker's look in the movie, but be glad Von Strucker even had a monocle. Even after everything Marvel has done, we live in a world where every little individual characteristic of comic book characters is nitpicked and seen as too silly.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Jaws is about Chief Brody. The shark is a force of nature. A mindless killing machine that Brody must confront.

Brody is the protagonist, but the entire plot is about the shark. Practically every damn scene in the movie happens because of, is in relation to, or motivated by the shark.

 

[Replicant]

This is why most comic costumes wont work on the big screen.

I dunno. I think Thomas Kretschmann wouldn't look too bad in his undies.

The scarf has to go though.

 

[richiek]

I kind of feel like a few lines and character moments, along with the destruction of SHIELD, where intended to set up free-roaming "super heroes" as a thing in the MCU. At first, it's almost entirely SHIELD's party. They're in control, determining whether to repress, hide, or make use of various "special people" who are showing up in the world.

But now they're gone. The scenes with Cap and Falcon, where Cap comes to realize he can't just be a solider and follow other people's orders anymore. Cap taking over and giving orders to SHIELD's remaining loyalists - and people deciding to follow because he's Captain America. Natasha at the end, telling off the investigations committee - setting up people like her as agents of their own volition, taking action as they see fit to deal with extraordinary situations.

With no SHIELD it seems people must decide to come together on their own starting in Age of Ultron.

If Marvel/Disney ever got the rights to Spider-Man back, it would fit perfectly into the post-Cap 2 timeline, since Spidey's antics could easily take place without SHIELD interfering.

 

[Tobor]

Brody is the protagonist, but the entire plot is about the shark. Practically every damn scene in the movie happens because of, is in relation to, or motivated by the shark.

And he still only had 45 seconds of screen time. That's the point.

 

[chickdigger802]

Doesn't want to go through that nasty bit of business with the propeller again.

And it wasn't a weapon system.

idk, those helicarriers sure do look like they are packing enough heat to take out over a million people in 1 bombardment.

 

[BLACKLAC]

idk, those helicarriers sure do look like they are packing enough heat to take out over a million people in 1 bombardment.

And Stark had nothing to do with the development of all that heat. It was going to fly with or without his input.

 

[Blader]

And he still only had 45 seconds of screen time. That's the point.

Bucky isn't driving the plot of Winter Solider in remotely the same way the shark drives the plot in Jaws.

I get what you're trying to say but the comparison is way off base.

 

[SRG01]

So who did Peggy end up marrying? I saw some photos on the nightstand but couldn't make out anything of significance.

Also, I think seeing Peggy again is straight out of The Ultimates (or perhaps just the Ultimate Avengers 1 animated movie)

edit: Also, that Verge review was terrible and they should feel bad. It's like they didn't even pay attention to the movie at all.

 

[fallagin]

Just saw this. Definitely in my top 3 marvel movies. Way too much fun after the first ho-hum movie.

 

[Messypandas]

So who did Peggy end up marrying? I saw some photos on the nightstand but couldn't make out anything of significance.

Also, I think seeing Peggy again is straight out of The Ultimates (or perhaps just the Ultimate Avengers 1 animated movie)

Unless the comics can correct me, I think they were intentionally vague. Prolly because of the tv show in development.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Man, it took me a minute to figure out main SHIELD guy whooping ass throughout the movie was Rumlow, fuckin' Crossbones, man. They even got Batroc ze Leaper a good showing. He's not the kinda of badguy to build a 2+ hour movie around, but he's great for an opening set piece. I really like when they find good usage for "minor" bad guys like that, like the Scarecrow showing up throughout the Nolan trilogy.

 

[numble]

Unless the comics can correct me, I think they were intentionally vague. Prolly because of the tv show in development.

She said he saved the person she would marry.

 

[Tobor]

Bucky isn't driving the plot of Winter Solider in remotely the same way the shark drives the plot in Jaws.

I get what you're trying to say but the comparison is way off base.

The reason I made the comparison in the first place was to point out how silly the complaints about the title are. I stand by my original snarky comment.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Even CaptYamato liked this movie, Tobor

Yamato

 

[Tobor]

Even CaptYamato liked this movie, Tobor

Yamato

WHAT

 

[Messypandas]

She said he saved the person she would marry.

She said he saved over a 1000 men, including the one who would be her husband. she didn't even say his name. Like I said, intentionally vague.

 

[Guy Legend]

You can complain about Von Strucker's look in the movie, but be glad Von Strucker even had a monocle. Even after everything Marvel has done, we live in a world where every little individual characteristic of comic book characters is nitpicked and seen as too silly.

At least he's a real villain...unlike the Mandarin.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Man, it took me a minute to figure out main SHIELD guy whooping ass throughout the movie was Rumlow, fuckin' Crossbones, man. They even got Batroc ze Leaper a good showing. He's not the kinda of badguy to build a 2+ hour movie around, but he's great for an opening set piece. I really like when they find good usage for "minor" bad guys like that, like the Scarecrow showing up throughout the Nolan trilogy.

A friend was freaking out knowing Batroc was going to be in it. I also love the use of cool, fan fave b tier villains just for openings. Just enough to satisfy fans.