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Captain America: The Winter Soldier SPOILER THREAD | ...does anyone want to get out?
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-Plasma Reus-
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I want to see Winter Soldier in Avengers 2.
no chance, they already have WAY to many characters in av2. everyone from avengers 1 + 5/6 new ones...i am a bit worried how whedon is going to deal with that.
Gonna be a 3-hour long mess.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Captain America
Iron Man
The Hulk
Thor
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Maria Hill (Cameo?)
Nick Fury (Glorified cameo)
War Machine (Cameo?)
Ultron
Baron Von Strucker
That's a lot of characters, I don't think it would be possible to fit The Winter Soldier in there. It also wouldn't be a very good fit in the story.
Iron Man
The Hulk
Thor
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Maria Hill (Cameo?)
Nick Fury (Glorified cameo)
War Machine (Cameo?)
Ultron
Baron Von Strucker
That's a lot of characters, I don't think it would be possible to fit The Winter Soldier in there. It also wouldn't be a very good fit in the story.
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
Kill Hawkeye halfway through, replace him with Winter Soldier or Falcon.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Hawkeye plays a large part in the plot. Also, the Winter Soldier couldn't just really pop up and help the Avengers, it would hugely impact both him and Cap which is best left up to Captain America 3.
Coulson, Selvig and Loki are gone, Fury, Hill and War Machine will probably be cameos. That's 6 characters you basically don't have to worry about right there.
This movie had Cap, Fury, Hill, Black Widow, Zola, Peggy, all returning from the previous movies. It added to that Batroc, Rumlow, Pierce, Agent 13, Falcon, and the Winter Soldier. Didn't feel like a hot mess at all.
In the end it's not about how many new and returning characters there are, it's about not trying to forcefully use everything in every scene. For most of the returning characters, they could have bigger or smaller roles depending on what the story needs, but since there's no need to reintroduce them or establish who they are, it's really not an issue.
In the end it's not about how many new and returning characters there are, it's about not trying to forcefully use everything in every scene. For most of the returning characters, they could have bigger or smaller roles depending on what the story needs, but since there's no need to reintroduce them or establish who they are, it's really not an issue.
war machine is in this one? didnt know that.
but you still have to deal with the origin story of two new avengers and one new villain, one new additional villain and maybe another rumored brand-new character + origin.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Falcon would be fine, I just don't think the Winter Soldier would be a good fit.
Sure, but you don't have to spend 45 minutes introducing the other Avengers again. You can hit the ground running with the OG Avengers assembling in the first ten minutes or whatever.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Am I the only one who noticed the "cubic powers" on Scarlet Witch? just the way Joe Quesada drawn her on tha House of M cover!
I actually disagree. For all its strengths, the soundtrack was pretty unremarkable, compared to Brian Tyler's work in Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. I was pretty disappointed that the Captain America theme was only used once. It should have played when Cap announces HYDRA plan to all of SHIELD towards the end.
I would like to see Falcon in Avengers 2. Since he's a member in the new Avengers cartoon, I thought it would happen, but it looks like it's not happening.
EraldoCoil
Member
Yo! I popped off in the theater when they showed Witch and Quicksilver....
Was awesome to see silver in motion....I'm 100% confident he will be bad ass....those still photos will be done justice in the final product.
Amazing movie.
Was awesome to see silver in motion....I'm 100% confident he will be bad ass....those still photos will be done justice in the final product.
Amazing movie.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Strongest MCU soundtracks, in my opinion:
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man
The Avengers
Iron Man 3
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Thor: The Dark World
Can't remember the rest.
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man
The Avengers
Iron Man 3
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Thor: The Dark World
Can't remember the rest.
I have faith that Joss Whedon can juggle an ensemble cast much like how he tied up Firefly in Serenity. I also expect key deaths especially since superhero movies have to up the ante in each sequel. What's the point of tying up this universe together if War Machine isn't even in the Avengers or doesn't even get a line
I agree. The Avengers script was really tight. It gave everyone a proper introduction and similar screentime during the first third, and at the same time it connected them all and very clearly established the conflict. People often forget but even Selvig had a large role in the movie as well, with lots of lines and screentime and that didn't take away from any of the main characters.
It is probably going to run a bit longer, but if the plot is solid everyone is going to get their time to shine.
I always thought that was really impressive about the Avengers, there was so many protagonists and characters to focus on but they pulled it off pretty damn well.
I also think just having one big, bad guy helps out superhero movies, instead of multiple bads and trying to focus on them. Then we end up like the Spiderman movies, I don't want that.
The_Endless
Member
Just watched it. Bloody awesome. The fight choreography was amazingly brutal and visceral.
Stephen Strange!!
Mid-credits scene and the twins was f-awesome; end credits scene meh
Stephen Strange!!
Mid-credits scene and the twins was f-awesome; end credits scene meh
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
And after watching this, I completely sold on it. Bucky was so fucking badass.
sure, why not. but if they kill off evans cap, they should do it for good (same for stark). no more steve rogers/tony stark until marvel hits the reset button and re-boots the whole mcu.
I can see a lot of people disagreeing with this and I've seen one or two reviews condemning it as generic Hans Zimmer knock-offs and being a bunch of noisy hogwash (despite none attesting to seeing the movie to know how it works in context), but while I don't think I'd rank it as the best soundtrack of the Marvel movies it probably had the pieces I remember the most.
I think a good number of preceding Marvel movies probably had much more memorable theme songs than The Winter Soldier (The Avengers and Iron Man 3 was probably the better ones that stick out in my mind), but The Winter Soldier's OST was the first time I legitimately wanted to get the score to listen to all the tracks. I don't know, maybe it isn't too remarkable when compared to your average spy thrillers and maybe it is kind of generic, but I really think Jackman nailed the tension and upped the ante which creates a nice contrast between the original's pulp WWII aesthetic and the sequel's more conspiracy oriented throw down.
I don't know. All I do know is that once The Winter Soldier's theme kicked in and we got to see him in action for the first time, I was completely intimidated and chills ran through my spine.
I just waited for the scene, when he would fall with his head in a fire or something like this and would stand up as the new Red Skull. To bad that this didnt happened...
WadiumArcadium
Member
Same. I was sure it would happen in his final scene.
I want more Winter Soldier, a cameo in Age of Ultron would be nice at least. Falcon was really good as well.
BronsonLee
Member
As definitive as that end was, I'd love more Redford in the MCU. It was such a weird casting choice when it got announced (Me: How'd they get Redford?... Wait, WHY did they get Redford?!"), but damn was it good.
I like that he got the special "as character name" billing too
I like that he got the special "as character name" billing too
And Avengers 3 might end up having all of those, and possibly Ant-Man, Doctor Strange and presumably the entire entourage from Guardians of The Galaxy...
Shit...I can see them splitting Avengers 3 into 2-part now.
or they will kill a few avengers in ultron. downey is on his way out and while he signed for av 2+3, killing him at the end of part 2 would be a huge shock/cliffhanger. they wont kill cap and thor, since cap 3 and thor 3 are already announced.
or they will just have rotating teams. not every avenger needs to be in av3.
Fury will appear, it will just be a cameo.
Memento Mori
Member
Yep. As soon as Black Widow revealed she was wearing that facial cloaking thing, I was sure that's how they were going to explain it.
I thought it made sense because Robert Redfords skin looks like it's hanging off his face.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Seeing IM, Hulk and Thor being captured for part of Avengers 2 which is what leads Cap to recruit the twins who they defeated along with BW and Hawkeye.
Think how they are going to balance the movie.
Think how they are going to balance the movie.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Agents of Nothing.
Miles Quaritch
Member
The ending really does shake things up for AoS. Will they become a renegade group or form their own version of SHIELD? I hope it means the end of AoS and the beginning of Agent Peggy Carter.
Anyway, I really liked how they handled Zola. I'm going to assume that's not the last we'll see of him, he'll have undoubtedly copied himself a few times, especially if he had a net connection. I just hope he doesn't go on to become Ultron....
I was really disappointed that Redford's character wasn't revealed as the Red Skull. I was so sure they'd unmask him, but nope...missed opportunity I felt.
And I loved the mid credit scene with the twins and how they've decided to handle powers/mutations by using the staff from Avengers. Perfect way to get round that nonsensical ban on them using mutants...
Anyway, I really liked how they handled Zola. I'm going to assume that's not the last we'll see of him, he'll have undoubtedly copied himself a few times, especially if he had a net connection. I just hope he doesn't go on to become Ultron....
I was really disappointed that Redford's character wasn't revealed as the Red Skull. I was so sure they'd unmask him, but nope...missed opportunity I felt.
And I loved the mid credit scene with the twins and how they've decided to handle powers/mutations by using the staff from Avengers. Perfect way to get round that nonsensical ban on them using mutants...
Miles Quaritch
Member
Yeah, that's my hope. It'd feel a little off if it was Zola. I'd take Jarvis becoming Ultron over that happening.
And I really want to see a live action M.O.D.O.K at some point...
I'm glad they didn't go this way. I liked that the bigger threat was one american white man with much power at his will. Enough of ze evilz germanz
I would bet, that Zola will create a Virus to corrupt Jarvis and will creat Ultrons KI out of this.
Also, I expect Ultrons body will be created from some of destroyed Iron Men from the House Party of Iron Man 3 and that it will be powered by Lokis spear.
There were multiple Red Skulls and one of them was american.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Yeah, I guess that's a good point. Still, I hope we haven't seen the last of Red Skull. I know there was talk of him possibly being dead after the first Cap movie...but he's such a big part of the Cap universe, that it just wouldn't feel right if he didn't make a reappearance at some point.
Well he isn't technically ded. The Tesseract took him the fuck-i-know-somewhere
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Here are my thoughts on the connection between Loki's sceptre and the Twins: They had dormant mutated genes which were awakened by the sceptre? A little far fetched, but eh.