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[hodayathink]

MGM says hi.

Sony bought MGM.

 

[Hours Left]

Yeah. It's hard for me to know how I would have responded had I not known, but all the Bucky material pre-reveal combined with keeping the Soldier's face hidden was less than subtle. But I heard gasps, I tell ya.

Yeah man. Both viewings I went to the audience gasped at the Bucky reveal. It was fun and oddly gratifying experience.

There was an elderly couple sitting next to my group and I heard the lady say "oh my!" when it happened.

Made me smile.

People gasped at my theater too (and in all 3 times I went). There was a thread on /co/ last week or so on reactions and the reveal ranged from gasps, people saying/asking "Is that is friend" to even a sad, "Ah man, that's his homie".

Basically the majority of people, even of those who simply watch the MCU rather than the comics did not have a clue.

Yep, gasps here as well. Very audible.

What I noticed though, and commented on after the movie, was that even though I knew what was up when they announced the title... the way they shot the reveal in the movie, I felt that I saw it more from Cap's eyes than my own, so it still carried some weight for me. They handled that really well I thought.

I weep for humanity. (Not in regards to you guys, but people that can't pick up on the extremely obvious hints.)

 

[Jest Chillin]

MGM says hi.

Yeah.. about that... MGM was bought by a group of companies... one of which is Sony..

 

[numble]

Sony owns MGM.

They don't.

 

[Jest Chillin]

They don't.

They kind of do. Sony is the third largest shareholder in the company.

 

[numble]

They kind of do. Sony is the third largest shareholder in the company.

Check your history. MGM is owned by Credit Suisse and JP Morgan now.

 

[duckroll]

That doesn't really alter how I feel about the scene. It was yet another fist fight, and it disrupted the pacing of the film during the climax. Regardless if they pay it off in another film, in the context of this movie it felt like they were just giving Falcon something to do and then setting him up for for the helicopter catch because excitement. Having an impact on the plot down the road doesn't make it automatically fit in well with the climax of the film.

The claim for "payoff" is nonsense really. I agree with you completely about that scene. Not only was it unneeded, but it didn't even really have a fun or satisfying conclusion to it. Falcon didn't get to kick his ass in any creative way, at the end of it he didn't even die, and while every other action scene in the film had its own unique element, this one was literally two guys punching each other with none of them getting much of an advantage until one of them is crushed by a falling carrier while the other runs away.

Even if the entire scene was cut, there would still be just as much payoff in future films when Rumlow returns as Crossbones. The movie did a good enough job of showing the disdain he had for Steve Rogers.

 

[hodayathink]

They don't.

I edited. They bought MGM in 2005. They owned them until they (MGM) declared bankruptcy in 2010, at the very least. I think they still own them now, but I'm not entirely sure. The most recent Bond movie (Skyfall) was distributed by MGM and Columbia. Sony, without a doubt, owns Columbia.

Honestly, I'd argue that the reason Sony pumps out Spider-Man movies isn't because they don't want the rights to revert back to Marvel. It's because in years where they don't release a Spider-Man or a Bond movie, Sony Pictures stands a big risk of not doing very well (like, you know, last year).

Edit: From Wikipedia:

From 2006 to present MGM and Columbia Pictures have co-distributed the film series, following the 2005 acquisition of MGM by a consortium led by Columbia's parent company, Sony Pictures Entertainment. In November 2010 MGM filed for bankruptcy; following its emergence from insolvency, Columbia has been co-production partner of the series with Danjaq.

So basically Sony now co-produces and co-distributes each movie through Columbia. It's a Sony franchise.

 

[Anbokr]

Saw this today and absolutely loved it. My favorite films of all time are probably the Bourne trilogy films because I'm complete sucker for awesome action and political conspiracy films and this film delivered on both those fronts. Felt like less of a superhero film and more like a spy thriller film and that's a huge plus in my book.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Check your history. MGM is owned by Credit Suisse and JP Morgan now.

Not seeing a thing that says MGM is owned by either of these companies...

 

[Wheeljack539]

Even if the entire scene was cut, there would still be just as much payoff in future films when Rumlow returns as Crossbones. The movie did a good enough job of showing the disdain he had for Steve Rogers.

I don't think Rumlow had any real disdain from Cap that I can remember, even with his "It's not personal" bit in the elevator.

The one who had the most disdain for Cap was that one World Security Council member.

 

[Tookay]

That doesn't really alter how I feel about the scene. It was yet another fist fight, and it disrupted the pacing of the film during the climax. Regardless if they pay it off in another film, in the context of this movie it felt like they were just giving Falcon something to do and then setting him up for for the helicopter catch because excitement. Having an impact on the plot down the road doesn't make it automatically fit in well with the climax of the film.

I agree with this actually. From an editing/pacing standpoint, that fist fight was overkill. The Cap/Bucky fight was basically over... that was the crux of the climax, not Falcon and the Hydra Douche.

 

[- J - D -]

That doesn't really alter how I feel about the scene. It was yet another fist fight, and it disrupted the pacing of the film during the climax. Regardless if they pay it off in another film, in the context of this movie it felt like they were just giving Falcon something to do and then setting him up for for the helicopter catch because excitement. Having an impact on the plot down the road doesn't make it automatically fit in well with the climax of the film.

The claim for "payoff" is nonsense really. I agree with you completely about that scene. Not only was it unneeded, but it didn't even really have a fun or satisfying conclusion to it. Falcon didn't get to kick his ass in any creative way, at the end of it he didn't even die, and while every other action scene in the film had its own unique element, this one was literally two guys punching each other with none of them getting much of an advantage until one of them is crushed by a falling carrier while the other runs away.

Even if the entire scene was cut, there would still be just as much payoff in future films when Rumlow returns as Crossbones. The movie did a good enough job of showing the disdain he had for Steve Rogers.

They couldn't just cut the scene because...

Rumlow was on his way up to Fury, Widow, and Pierce. Falcon had to slow him down.

I'm not sure if J10's was lost in the shuffle, but I bumped it here.

I do agree though that it wasn't an interesting encounter between Falcon and Rumlowe, but at that point the focus should be on Cap/Bucky and Fury/Nat/Pierce.

 

[Tookay]

They couldn't just cut the scene because...

I do agree though that it wasn't an interesting encounter between Falcon and Rumlowe, but at that point the focus should be on Cap/Bucky and Fury/Nat/Pierce.

In its current form, it couldn't have been cut, but that whole fight was conceptually flawed: it should have been written differently and Rumlowe should have been dispatched earlier. By the time the fight occurs, it basically is of little consequence to the plot. There's no tension to it because the rest of the film is already entering the cartharsis stage.

And Duckroll's right that it wasn't even satisfying how it ended: they punch a couple of times, nobody gains a distinct advantage, and then one of them gets crushed through outside circumstances.

 

[Jest Chillin]

The claim for "payoff" is nonsense really. I agree with you completely about that scene. Not only was it unneeded, but it didn't even really have a fun or satisfying conclusion to it. Falcon didn't get to kick his ass in any creative way, at the end of it he didn't even die, and while every other action scene in the film had its own unique element, this one was literally two guys punching each other with none of them getting much of an advantage until one of them is crushed by a falling carrier while the other runs away.

Even if the entire scene was cut, there would still be just as much payoff in future films when Rumlow returns as Crossbones. The movie did a good enough job of showing the disdain he had for Steve Rogers.

Umm.. Rumlow kicks Falcon's ass throughout the entire scene. And Falcon is no slouch. The scene was not useless. It showcases Rumlow is exceptionally skilled as well as Falcon being willing to get his ass kicked (or worse) to see the mission through.

 

[CriterionDog]

Oh my god. I saw this movie and it was AMAZING. I am so glad to see that other's were reminded of Metal Gear Solid series from the movie! I am glad I wasn't the only one!

 

[duckroll]

Umm.. Rumlow kicks Falcon's ass throughout the entire scene. And Falcon is no slouch. The scene was not useless. It showcases Rumlow is exceptionally skilled as well as Falcon being willing to get his ass kicked (or worse) to see the mission through.

Everything you mentioned has already been showcased in the scenes leading up to that. The scene is definitely useless. Honestly, until this debate was brought up again, I didn't even think about the scene at all since it was so pointless.

 

[numble]

I edited. They bought MGM in 2005. They owned them until they (MGM) declared bankruptcy in 2010, at the very least. I think they still own them now, but I'm not entirely sure. The most recent Bond movie (Skyfall) was distributed by MGM and Columbia. Sony, without a doubt, owns Columbia.

Honestly, I'd argue that the reason Sony pumps out Spider-Man movies isn't because they don't want the rights to revert back to Marvel. It's because in years where they don't release a Spider-Man or a Bond movie, Sony Pictures stands a big risk of not doing very well (like, you know, like last year).

Edit: From Wikipedia:



So basically Sony now co-produces and co-distributes each movie through Columbia. It's a Sony franchise.

Not seeing a thing that says MGM is owned by either of these companies...

When a company declares bankruptcy, shareholder rights are gone in favor of creditors, who become the new shareholders, especially how MGM reorganized.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompson...ith_sony_on_releasing_james_bond_23_worldwide
Sony has had to negotiate with MGM to produce the recent Bond films.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-25/metro-goldwyn-mayer-parent-files-for-possible-ipo.html

I guess JPM and Credit Suisse sold their stakes after they converted debt to equity, but the largest shareholder (formerly largest creditor) is Carl Icahn, and they're planning an IPO.

 

[Earthanoid]

In its current form, it couldn't have been cut, but that whole fight was conceptually flawed: it should have been written differently and Rumlowe should have been dispatched earlier. By the time the fight occurs, it basically is of little consequence to the plot. There's no tension to it because the rest of the film is already entering the cartharsis stage.

And Duckroll's right that it wasn't even satisfying how it ended: they punch a couple of times, nobody gains a distinct advantage, and then one of them gets crushed through outside circumstances.

I think Falcon's main role was to help take out the other helicarriers. Without him it would've just been one massive helicarrier since Cap can't fly, which would've been much less interesting. He replaces the chip on one (which was a pretty cool scene IMO) and takes Cap to the third one before getting his wings ripped off (also a good demonstration of how badass Bucky is). To just forget about him at that point and have him show up at the end to high five Cap would've been weird. So I think having the short fight with Rumslow, which was probably only a minute or so of screen time, was a reasonable way to tie up a loose end. But yeah, it wasn't a very interesting fight.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Everything you mentioned has already been showcased in the scenes leading up to that. The scene is definitely useless. Honestly, until this debate was brought up again, I didn't even think about the scene at all since it was so pointless.

Where? Rumlow never fought anyone notable solo before that scene and Falcon's action scenes included his ability with the flight suit. Rumlow was just another SHIELD agent not even on the level of Black Widow/Hawkeye before that point and Falcon was similar to a Pre-Avengers Tony Stark in that he needed The Suit to do anything.

When a company declares bankruptcy, shareholder rights are gone in favor of creditors, who become the new shareholders, especially how MGM reorganized.

Sony has had to negotiate with MGM to produce the recent Bond films.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-25/metro-goldwyn-mayer-parent-files-for-possible-ipo.html

I guess JPM and Credit Suisse sold their stakes after they converted debt to equity, but the largest shareholder (formerly largest creditor) is Carl Icahn, and they're planning an IPO.

... Is there something a little more lamens terms that you can present because I'm not seing anything in your links that mentions Credit Suisse and JP Morgan is only mentioned in being hired to sell shares.. not as being an owner of shares.

 

[numble]

... Is there something a little more lamens terms that you can present because I'm not seing anything in your links that mentions Credit Suisse and JP Morgan is only mentioned in being hired to sell shares.. not as being an owner of shares.

If you have a house on a mortgage, but you can't pay the bank, the bank then owns the house and can sell it to others, and you lose all your rights to the house.

MGM owed Credit Suisse and JP Morgan (amongst others) money when they declared bankruptcy. Instead of paying back their creditors, they came out of bankruptcy with the creditors being the new owners. The new owners can sell their shares away. Anyway, the largest owner is now Carl Icahn, Sony doesn't seem to have any ownership stakes anymore, and they've had to negotiate with MGM for the past 2 Bond films.

 

[Tookay]

I think Falcon's main role was to help take out the other helicarriers. Without him it would've just been one massive helicarrier since Cap can't fly, which would've been much less interesting. He replaces the chip on one (which was a pretty cool scene IMO) and takes Cap to the third one before getting his wings ripped off (also a good demonstration of how badass Bucky is). To just forget about him at that point and have him show up at the end to high five Cap would've been weird. So I think having the short fight with Rumslow, which was probably only a minute or so of screen time, was a reasonable way to tie up a loose end. But yeah, it wasn't a very interesting fight.

I like Falcon's role up until to that little brawl. It's just that it's mistimed, because the tension is already releasing from the movie at this point (in regards to all the other plot strands) and then the movie decides to ramp this one up for no reason.

Have Rumslow be at one of the hellicarriers earlier during the big battle and get taken out by Falcon.

Or have Rumslow stop Fury and Black Widow, but then get shot in the back because Falcon got there just in time.

There's a lot of things that could have easily tied up Falcon's role if they had written it differently. It's more the placement of the individual brawl (imo) that's the problem than anything.

 

[hodayathink]

When a company declares bankruptcy, shareholder rights are gone in favor of creditors, who become the new shareholders, especially how MGM reorganized.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompson...ith_sony_on_releasing_james_bond_23_worldwide
Sony has had to negotiate with MGM to produce the recent Bond films.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-25/metro-goldwyn-mayer-parent-files-for-possible-ipo.html

I guess JPM and Credit Suisse sold their stakes after they converted debt to equity, but the largest shareholder (formerly largest creditor) is Carl Icahn, and they're planning an IPO.

From your first link:

The two companies expect to do the same for Bond 24.

MGM had enough leverage with this deal--Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace grossed $599 million and $577 million worldwide, respectively-- to also add Sony co-financing for other, future films over a five-year term.

At the very least, Sony should pretty much already has the rights to the next movie taken care of. And unless Sony Pictures goes bankrupt between now and the release of Bond 24, I don't think they're going to let anyone buy the rights without paying a very large amount of money. Those rights will be more expensive, but the $1 billion box office of Skyfall will probably make Sony think it'll be worth it.

 

[- J - D -]

In its current form, it couldn't have been cut, but that whole fight was conceptually flawed: it should have been written differently and Rumlowe should have been dispatched earlier. By the time the fight occurs, it basically is of little consequence to the plot. There's no tension to it because the rest of the film is already entering the cartharsis stage.

And Duckroll's right that it wasn't even satisfying how it ended: they punch a couple of times, nobody gains a distinct advantage, and then one of them gets crushed through outside circumstances.

I don't remember the exact sequence of shots, but by the time Sam and Rumlowe lock fists, was the situation with Fury/Pierce/BW already resolved? I agree that the fight could've probably done with a little reshuffling, but not that Rumlowe should've been dispatched earlier if only because the fight gave the film one more opportunity to highlight the character's deadliness by almost overcoming Sam before being put down by an external, uncontrollable event (the helicarrier crash). The fight was never supposed to be a flashy display for either character, as it would have distracted from the more important conflicts elsewhere. It does however set up things to come, as someone else here has mentioned. No one won that fight, but simply having that one scene afterward of Rumlowe surviving the crash bolsters his importance to the story.

The claim for "payoff" is valid only then if the third film (or wherever Rumlowe/Crossbones shows up again) follows through.

 

[duckroll]

Where? Rumlow never fought anyone notable solo before that scene and Falcon's action scenes included his ability with the flight suit. Rumlow was just another SHIELD agent not even on the level of Black Widow/Hawkeye before that point and Falcon was similar to a Pre-Avengers Tony Stark in that he needed The Suit to do anything.

Rumlow is the head of a SHIELD Strike Team, so honestly that alone indicates he is pretty skilled as a military figure. Falcon is ex-military too, and he was part of a top secret prototype project. These are clearly not "normal" people.

- Rumlow's reaction speed in the scene with Agent 13 far better showcased his training than his fight against Falcon.

- The Winter Soldier tearing Falcon apart piece by piece (literally!) and him still managing to survive and continue with the mission showcases his resolve far better too.

- In the end, if you're not convinced that these two guys are any good compared to the "top-tier" characters, there's nothing in this fight which would change that. They're two normal guys fighting each other, taking hits, trading blows, and no one wins. We learned nothing from it at all.

 

[Jest Chillin]

If you have a house on a mortgage, but you can't pay the bank, the bank then owns the house and can sell it to others, and you lose all your rights to the house.

MGM owed Credit Suisse and JP Morgan (amongst others) money when they declared bankruptcy. Instead of paying back their creditors, they came out of bankruptcy with the creditors being the new owners. The new owners can sell their shares away. Anyway, the largest owner is now Carl Icahn, Sony doesn't seem to have any ownership stakes anymore, and they've had to negotiate with MGM for the past 2 Bond films.

I'm fully aware of how loans work. I'm not seeing anything that says that Credit Suisse and JP Morgan gave loans to MGM Holdings, let alone that they took over ownership of MGM when those loans defaulted. I only see a claim of bankruptcy from MGM which JP Morgan was then hired to oversee the share sales of. I see literally no mention of Credit Suisse and when I look them up, I don't see where they relate other than a singular mention in the footnotes of the Goldman Sachs wiki page that doesn't appear to have realtions to Goldman Sachs directly...

So again..I'm left asking where you're coming to these conclusions because I'm not seeing it in your links. So is there something that's just not said outright?

Rumlow is the head of a SHIELD Strike Team, so honestly that alone indicates he is pretty skilled as a military figure. Falcon is ex-military too, and he was part of a top secret prototype project. These are clearly not "normal" people.

- Rumlow's reaction speed in the scene with Agent 13 far better showcased his training than his fight against Falcon.

- The Winter Soldier tearing Falcon apart piece by piece (literally!) and him still managing to survive and continue with the mission showcases his resolve far better too.

- In the end, if you're not convinced that these two guys are any good compared to the "top-tier" characters, there's nothing in this fight which would change that. They're two normal guys fighting each other, taking hits, trading blows, and no one wins. We learned nothing from it at all.

-Rumlow heads a SHIELD team.. while Hawkeye and Black Window roll completely solo. That doesn't make him standout outside of having leadership qualities.

-Rumlow's reaction speed in a scene with Agent 13 showed.. his reaction speed compared to a room full of analysts. Without knowing WHO Agent 13 is ahead of time.. there's nothing exceptional about this.

-TWS ripping Falcons wings apart is expected. That Falcon survived doesn't really point much out other than he's a survivor. What he went through against Rumlow is worse in the sense that he tried to fight Rumlow as opposed to trying to escape TWS.

-Rumlow comes across clearly as better than Falcon while still not being as good as Cap, BW, Hawkeye, etc.. It puts him a tier above the average SHIELD agent but not quite up to the top agents. This sets the future reveal up perfectly.

 

[Tookay]

I don't remember the exact sequence of shots, but by the time Sam and Rumlowe lock fists, was the situation with Fury/Pierce/BW already resolved? I agree that the fight could've probably done with a little reshuffling, but not that Rumlowe should've been dispatched earlier if only because the fight gave the film one more opportunity to highlight the character's deadliness by almost overcoming Sam before being put down by an external, uncontrollable event (the helicarrier crash). The fight was never supposed to be a flashy display for either character, as it would have distracted from the more important conflicts elsewhere. It does however set up things to come, as someone else here has mentioned.

The claim for "payoff" is valid only then if the third film (or wherever Rumlowe/Crossbones shows up again) follows through.

No, but it was getting close. Meanwhile, I think Cap had just beaten Bucky and was climbing back up to put the doohickey in the machine... which makes the supporting hero and the supporting villain duking it out redundant. As a member of the audience, I am sort of "over it" by that point.

It's not a big deal; it's one of the few pacing flaws I can find in the movie. The rest of it is pretty brisk and well-done.

 

[numble]

From your first link:



At the very least, Sony should pretty much already has the rights to the next movie taken care of. And unless Sony Pictures goes bankrupt between now and the release of Bond 24, I don't think they're going to let anyone buy the rights without paying a very large amount of money. Those rights will be more expensive, but the $1 billion box office of Skyfall will probably make Sony think it'll be worth it.

Bond 24 already came out.

The Bond rights aren't indefinite and they need to share the profits with MGM, who may want to do their own films, charge more, or work with a studio with a higher bid (they also have the Hobbit deal with WB, also an indication that MGM aren't stuck with Sony). MGM might also be bought by some company. Their value has soared in recent years because of Bond and the Tolkien films.

It's much different from a license that renews perpetually without cost.

 

[Jetman]

Saw it, loved it, thought it was ten times better than the first one. Had no idea that one asshole special ops SHIELD guy who Falcon fought was Crossbones- cool.
Two questions:
- When Agent Sitwell was spilling the beans on Arnim Zola's equation, he mentioned the dangerous people it was going to target. One of them was Stephen Strange. Didn't he mention two others? I kind of was all " holy shit Dr. Strange" so kind of caught me off guard and lost my train of thought during his line.
- who was the Hydra(?)/Nazi commander at the end credits who had the twins locked up? Baron Zemo?

 

[numble]

I'm fully aware of how loans work. I'm not seeing anything that says that Credit Suisse and JP Morgan gave loans to MGM Holdings, let alone that they took over ownership of MGM when those loans defaulted. I only see a claim of bankruptcy from MGM which JP Morgan was then hired to oversee the share sales of. I see literally no mention of Credit Suisse and when I look them up, I don't see where they relate other than a singular mention in the footnotes of the Goldman Sachs wiki page that doesn't appear to have realtions to Goldman Sachs directly...

So again..I'm left asking where you're coming to these conclusions because I'm not seeing it in your links. So is there something that's just not said outright?

I don't know why you're mentioning Goldman Sachs when I didn't mention them.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A24J820101103?irpc=932

The MGM reorganization calls for secured lenders including Credit Suisse Group AG and JPMorgan Chase & Co to swap more than $4 billion of debt for equity, giving them ownership of most of a reorganized company.

 

[J10]

Saw it, loved it, thought it was ten times better than the first one. Had no idea that one asshole special ops SHIELD guy who Falcon fought was Crossbones- cool.
Two questions:
- When Agent Sitwell was spilling the beans on Arnim Zola's equation, he mentioned the dangerous people it was going to target. One of them was Stephen Strange. Didn't he mention two others? I kind of was all " holy shit Dr. Strange" so kind of caught me off guard and lost my train of thought during his line.
- who was the Hydra(?)/Nazi commander at the end credits who had the twins locked up? Baron Zemo?

Steve, Bruce Banner and Stephen Strange, Under Secretary of Defense, High School Valedictorian in Iowa City, TV anchor in Cairo.

Baron Strucker.

 

[- J - D -]

No, but it was getting close. Meanwhile, I think Cap had just beaten Bucky and was climbing back up to put the doohickey in the machine... which makes the supporting hero and the supporting villain duking it out redundant. As a member of the audience, I am sort of "over it" by that point.

It's not a big deal; it's one of the few pacing flaws I can find in the movie. The rest of it is pretty brisk and well-done.

I dunno, I never found it obtrusive or detrimental to the pacing. I did say that it could have used some reshuffling, but I'm not entirely sure how it would've been done to a) keep Sam and Rum occupied while b) not detracting from their characters.

 

[bananas]

Saw it, loved it, thought it was ten times better than the first one. Had no idea that one asshole special ops SHIELD guy who Falcon fought was Crossbones- cool.
Two questions:
- When Agent Sitwell was spilling the beans on Arnim Zola's equation, he mentioned the dangerous people it was going to target. One of them was Stephen Strange. Didn't he mention two others? I kind of was all " holy shit Dr. Strange" so kind of caught me off guard and lost my train of thought during his line.
- who was the Hydra(?)/Nazi commander at the end credits who had the twins locked up? Baron Zemo?

Sitwell mentioned Banner and Strange.

The man at the end was Wolfgang von Strucker.

 

[J10]

Steve, Bruce Banner and Stephen Strange, Under Secretary of Defense, High School Valedictorian in Iowa City, TV anchor in Cairo.

Baron Strucker.

.

 

[Jetman]

Steve, Bruce Banner and Stephen Strange, Under Secretary of Defense, High School Valedictorian in Iowa City, TV anchor in Cairo.

Baron Strucker.

Ahhh, Baron Strucker! Thanks

 

[Jest Chillin]

I don't know why you're mentioning Goldman Sachs when I didn't mention them.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A24J820101103?irpc=932

Ok.. this link finally connects the dots. Goldman Sachs is mention in the second link from your previous post here.

This is the link in question as well.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-25/metro-goldwyn-mayer-parent-files-for-possible-ipo.html

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Ahhh, Baron Strucker! Thanks

And Baron Zemo is this badass. I really want him to show up in the MCU at some point.

 

[Jetman]

And Baron Zemo is this badass. I really want him to show up in the MCU at some point.

Oh yeah, me too! I know who Zemo is, just totally forgot about Strucker. Think I was just projecting that guy at the end being Zemo because I wanted him to be.

 

[numble]

Ok.. this link finally connects the dots. Goldman Sachs is mention in the second link from your previous post here.

This is the link in question as well.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-25/metro-goldwyn-mayer-parent-files-for-possible-ipo.html

That link was just to show that they're planning an IPO (which should help indicate they aren't part of Sony), they have film deals with WB and Paramount (which should help indicate they aren't part of Sony), and mentions their current major shareholders (Icahn, Highland Capital Management LP, Solus Alternative Asset Management LP and Anchorage Capital Group LLC, which aren't Sony).

 

[- J - D -]

And Baron Zemo is this badass. I really want him to show up in the MCU at some point.

They'd probably change the outfit completely, but the mask and shoulders need to stay.

 

[J10]

They gave Batroc the purple and gold shirt. I'm not worrying about costumes anymore after that.

 

[hodayathink]

Bond 24 already came out.

The Bond rights aren't indefinite and they need to share the profits with MGM, who may want to do their own films, charge more, or work with a studio with a higher bid (they also have the Hobbit deal with WB, also an indication that MGM aren't stuck with Sony). MGM might also be bought by some company. Their value has soared in recent years because of Bond and the Tolkien films.

It's much different from a license that renews perpetually without cost.

I meant Bond 25. Just the 5 year co-production thing announced in that link would go up to about 2016, which would probably be a little after Bond 25 releases, so I'd be a little surprised if Sony went for a term that long without some assurances that they'd get rights to the Bond movie produced in that time frame. And I know this isn't a license that renews in perpetuity, but I'm saying that because of how important Bond is to Sony Pictures, either someone's going to have to give MGM a sweetheart deal that Sony can't possibly match, or someone's going to have to buy MGM (again).

 

[Jest Chillin]

That link was just to show that they're planning an IPO (which should help indicate they aren't part of Sony), they have film deals with WB and Paramount (which should help indicate they aren't part of Sony), and mentions their current major shareholders (Icahn, Highland Capital Management LP, Solus Alternative Asset Management LP and Anchorage Capital Group LLC, which aren't Sony).

That link didn't mention any of those shareholders. Also Icahn was already supposedly bought out?

This whole thing is a convulted mess. I'm not seeing negotiations with WB and Paramount in regards to film deals but there's mention of Fox distro rights in certain places. Also.. Bond 24 hasn't come out yet. Last one was Skyfall, which was 23...

 

[numble]

That link didn't mention any of those shareholders. Also Icahn was already supposedly bought out?

This whole thing is a convulted mess. I'm not seeing negotiations with WB and Paramount in regards to film deals but there's mention of Fox distro rights in certain places. Also.. Bond 24 hasn't come out yet. Last one was Skyfall, which was 23...

The link does mention those shareholders (investors = shareholders). And it mentions doing The Hobbit with WB, and Hansel and Gretel with Paramount.

There have been 25 James Bond films.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

And Baron Zemo is this badass. I really want him to show up in the MCU at some point.

One step closer to getting that Thunderbolts movie

 

[Jest Chillin]

The link does mention those shareholders (investors = shareholders). And it mentions doing The Hobbit with WB, and Hansel and Gretel with Paramount.

Hmm.. I missed those. I guess I should use browser search in the future.

There have been 25 James Bond films.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2379713/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Bond 24 slated to release in 2015. Am I missing something here as well?

 

[hodayathink]

Hmm.. I missed those. I guess I should use browser search in the future.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2379713/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Bond 24 slated to release in 2015. Am I missing something here as well?

One of the Bond films isn't official, I believe. Which is where the confusion comes from.

 

[Fuzzy]

One of the Bond films isn't official, I believe. Which is where the confusion comes from.

Well two, 1967's Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again.

 

[Jest Chillin]

One of the Bond films isn't official, I believe. Which is where the confusion comes from.

Well two, 1967's Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again.

That's.. odd to say the least.

 

[Manmademan]

I'm on my phone, so I'll have to be more brief than I would like.

That particular arc was really good for a number of reasons, but one thing that it did was establish that Thor for whatever reason was the most powerful god
there was. Thor has always been powerful, but marvel has never quite come out and demonstrated that Thor is top dog in QUITE that way before.


When I get home, scans for everyone! Because Godbomb is just so fun

Quoting myself to say that this one has it's own thread, for anyone interested.