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Catalan Independence Referendum(1-O) - The aftermath
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intheinbetween
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lol
It wasnt bad but expected from Cs, I must admit I liked Icetas more.
Now it gets interesting, CUPs Anna Gabriel..
Psyrgery ES
Member
I thought I would never see someone spew as much shit as Rajoy does, but here comes Anna Gabriel.
Go away, you're drunk.
Oh, and you will be irrelevant in the future elections.
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The guy can exceed his dumbassery, I can see him sending Puigdemont to prison and approving the article 155.
If he is smart (doubtly) he will keep doing nothing and watch the independentists attack each other at the parliament from a distance
Go away, you're drunk.
Oh, and you will be irrelevant in the future elections.
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The guy can exceed his dumbassery, I can see him sending Puigdemont to prison and approving the article 155.
If he is smart (doubtly) he will keep doing nothing and watch the independentists attack each other at the parliament from a distance
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Anna Gabriel is basically making her speech in a very inside out manner. Her intervention is very much catered towards the international audience.
I expect the real shit to happen behind closed doors and at a later date.
Business
Member
Thats exactly it.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Makes sense - he should exhaust every single option available to him other than UDI before doing a UDI.
This is the same logic as exhausting every route to an independence referendum legally before doing a unilateral one.
This is the same logic as exhausting every route to an independence referendum legally before doing a unilateral one.
intheinbetween
Member
Yeah, me too, her speech was softer than expected, it didnt seem to me she was upset because of this farce.
However it made me realize this show has been great for the CUP party, since I believe they will gain lots of new voters (specially young voters, students, and pro-independance voters disappointed of JxS), so things will get worse
I think we are even further away from a proper solution than ever.
Psyrgery ES
Member
Nice republic you had there mate... for eight seconds, at least.
I love how you much you like to reffer to Spain as the "spanish regime" (my sides), but non-independentists catalans are way better off with our "spanish regime" than with the way your atrocious Generalitat has been dealing with non-independentists for the last 30 years.
You brought this upon yourselves, and don't worry because us the majority will do our part at preventing your Generalitat from turning Catalonia into a third-country ridden with wannabe fascists trying to appeal to international authorities by playing victim.
Have you forged any catalonian history book yet?
intheinbetween
Member
How can this politician keep on repeating how badly they were beaten last 1-O? Its annoying, they are still trying to sell the victimism card over and over
Justice minister just said that they can't act against a non-UDI, so they're probably not going to do anything
Ah, ok, honestly I'm scared as shit that Rajoy fucks it up somehow. If they're overdo it like in 1-Oct again, is another win for independentists.
Psyrgery ES
Member
The Catalonian goverment are kings of playing victims and think they can win over Internation support by repeating that same thing over and over and over.
Officially it has been approved, but as we all know nobody in their right mind would accept it.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Behold Rajoy, the Galician Sun Tzu.
Oh God I hate this country's politics.
Oh God I hate this country's politics.
Business
Member
I think theres way too much hatred in your post to make any sense. Have we ever interacted before?
Psyrgery ES
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Naw, not hatred. Just checked your profile and saw you agreeing with someone that called Spain a "Regime".
I would love to see the international countries reaction to how the Generalitat treats non-separatists citizens before you decide blaming everything on the "spanish regime" (which I agree needs its Constitution to be reformed in order to get rid of fascist inheritance) and so far non-separatists catalans are so fucked by the Generalitat that the Spanish Regime (the fucked-up one) is our better choice.
We've just had enough and I'd wish everybody around the world could see how badly we are being mistreated by the Generalitat and how much Bullshit your president has spewn today.
Like Generalitat funding organisations in charge of anti-spanish propaganda such as ANC, Maulets and Omnium.
That in the frame of what his govt considers legal, that isn't what Spain considers legal.
It seems that Spain will see this like a nothingburger
Business
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Any solid examples on how the Catalan government has badly mistreated you due to your political views?
RocknRola
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I guess yeah, if they themselves declare it's "suspended" from the get go...why even declare it at that point? Super weird.
Trying to avoid economic collapse and violence on one hand and saving face with their supporters on the other I guess.
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Lol
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Hey look, it's Pablo Iglesias demanding to keep the status quo with a differentiated, special framework for Catalonia as a solution instead of offering a federal republic with equal rights for each region.
It's like he hates winning elections or something.
It's like he hates winning elections or something.
What are you referring to exactly when you say that the Generalitat has been mistreating non-separatists citizens? No ill intention, I just saw another poster claiming non-separatists catalans were being oppressed by our government and I have no idea what he is referring to. I'm non-separatist for the record, in case anyone jumps to conclusions.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Oh lordy, Rufián is about to hide in the bushes. That face.
RocknRola
Member
The first bit is very wise, the second is less so but I suppose as a politician one needs to actively save face in order to survive :S
Well, if it at least means ending any more chances of violence there, I'm happy with it.
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forknknife
Banned
Rufián is going to pull a Toni Cantó and join CUP at this rate.
Cs have nothing of centrist if you ask me. About Rivera, he just want the 155 and elections in Catalonia to get into the gov. Cs, unlike PP, knows that they may have a chance here. He's just an oportunistic hack as always.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Ciudadanos has a lot of youth appeal. He's counting on stealing away those reactionary votes from the older generation while keeping the younger ones with more moderate social positions. Also, they are opportunistic beyond belief.
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Acidote
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There's also another problem with Spanish politics. There isn't a single conservative or liberal party that isn't also deeply catholic. Even if it's not written on paper. That carries a huge social baggage on some fronts.
Better than Argentina where everybody sucks Pope dick
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Ciudadanos is weird in the sense that their platform is rather unconcerned with religion, but they tend to side with the Church out of convenience/just because Podemos is very much against it.
They basically have no core values outside of their belief in the unity of Spain and the invisible hand of the free market.
Pandora's box. Who could have seen this coming??! /s
It's just a symbolic act though (and it's a comminent with the republic), it doesn't have any effect legally.
It's just a way to try to calm down independentists I guess.
Symbolic or not, this doesn't help at all that hope for a dialogue between the central government and the Generalitat. I wouldn't be surprised if Madrid takes this as an actual declaration of independence.
Green Yoshi
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German television says it's just for the family album, a symbolic act to please their own supporters.
Acidote
Member
They might be unconcerned with religion in your region, but here they're quite hardcore in that sense. Although so is the PSOE, and even Podemos to a certain degree if they don't want a big part of the population that supports them turning around.
no universal declaration of independence has any effect legally. That's what makes them unilateral. It's always a question of recognition, including internally among followers.
If I declare independence, it is meaningless because I have no followers who care what I say. Whether it is legal or not isn't the question
IMO Madrid should be smart enough to know this is just a symbolic act and not an UDI and go down to bussiness (try to negotiate with Cat gov, of course, inside the law).
Still, this is not an UDI, it was not done in the Parliament like it should. Hell, CUP right now is saying Puigdemont didn't do the UDI like they asked.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
It's appeasement. They are trying their best to avoid being dragged out by the same nationalists they have inflamed over the past years.
"We are declaring the independent republic of Catalonia"
"We are proposing to postpone the proclamation of the independent republic of Catalonia"
"We are pledging our support towards the proclamation of the independent republic of Catalonia"
"pls understand"
"We are declaring the independent republic of Catalonia"
"We are proposing to postpone the proclamation of the independent republic of Catalonia"
"We are pledging our support towards the proclamation of the independent republic of Catalonia"
"pls understand"
I totally understand this. But that's not how it's being shown by them:
https://twitter.com/cupnacional/status/917844987546550272
I totally understand that this may be just "symbolic", but given the context (and the words chosen), it's a very, deeply problematic approach if you are advocating for dialogue.
deathkiller
Member
Now they have their own personal declaration of independence, isn't that cute? (it cannot be official if it they don't present it in the parliament).
ClosingADoor
Member
That would actually require a plan, which there is still not.
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