Catherine thread of Naughty Spoilers
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XANDER CAGE
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we.are.the.armada said:
Bros to the end, I guess!
dragonlife
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I just want a sequel. Period. Preferably with online co-op for Babel and stuff. That would be so cool. I already begged my friend to buy the game [so he can practice] so he could come play and actually know what he's doing <3Akselziys said:
It would be fun to play as a woman, though. The men should be hot for maximum enjoyment, since Katherine is smokin', IMO. It's only fair!
cj_iwakura
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Thoraxes said:
I promise you, it was amazing.
That laugh.
cj_iwakura
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JimFear said:
Well, pink means it relates to the nightmares. Just a creepy touch, I guess.
XANDER CAGE
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JimFear said:
Just means it's something key to the story/mystery/etc.
XANDER CAGE
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cj_iwakura said:
So what's the translation of Naniso to Dumuzid mean? I'm afraid I know virtually zero Japanese.
we.are.the.armada
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Anony said:
Yeah, Eric "Erica" Anderson was born as a guy and Vincent, Toby, Jonny, and Orlando hung out with him in high school. Something tragic happened, which isn't explained to much detail, that caused Erica to go away for a while and get out of touch with the guys. There are some subtle and some less subtle hints throughout the game that are easy to spot once you know the truth. Erica must be a post-op because Toby claims to have "lost his v-card" and slept with her but did not know that she was once a man. Also, only men can have the dreams, and Erica was having the dreams which is one of the bigger clues prior to the ending that the player receives.
demosthenes
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ULTROS! said:
Once the plot twist happened I really wondered why it wasn't.
Regarding the v-card convo Toby also mentions something along the lines of "you know, I don't know if it's because it was my first time but there was something weird about..." and Orlando shrugs him off with a "hhnnm, let's not talk about this ok".we.are.the.armada said:
cj_iwakura
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BigJiantRobut said:
Not sure, to be honest. I'm not even sure if he said that.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
You mean the cell phone pics? I think you get one randomly sent to you after you get that text message from the cell phone company saying they've recovered some of your attachments. I got the cake one I think on my true lovers playthrough, and then got one with her in the bathtub on my normal lovers playthrough.Grisby said:
Pixel Pete
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Is this the kind of game that I would feel awkward playing in front of my girlfriend, who doesn't really enjoy anime? I admit to being really curious about the game...
Crash Station
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Pixel Pete said:
Maybe, but you should anyway. It has a very interesting story and addicting gameplay. Your girlfriend might even enjoy the themes about relationships and marriage.
Should also probably ask this in the actual thread and not the spoiler thread. Just forget everything you've seen in here.
Pixel Pete
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cosmicblizzard said:
yeah probably. I wasn't afraid of getting spoiled too much. immediately knowing there are numerous endings likely means any ending I encounter probably wont be spoiled. Also there is very little context. but still, out!
cj_iwakura
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Erigu said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgsiabscELw
1:25.
I believe in the US version,he says 'head goes BOOM!'.
cj_iwakura
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the chris said:
I believe it's connected to the witch rumors.
Hours Left
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Everything about this game is brilliant. I'd love to pick the brain of whoever penned the story, asking them what was their starting point. Did it start with the fairy tale of Rapunzel? A fascination with the gods of old Babylon? All the wonderful symbolism you can get with sheep, from lambs led astray to horns twisting with insanity to lost souls being shepherded to judgment by Boss/Thomas Mutton/Dumuzid? I'm sure the human drama at the core of the tale was the true genesis of the plot -- it's just so real and well-done -- but the thematic elements, iconography, etc, intrigue me in how seamlessly they link together, each layering meaning on the other.
On a side note, this game really drove home for me how much I miss zany Japanese boss battles. Dumuzid, in particular, had a great Bayonetta vibe going for him, and could trace his creative lineage to Kefka and any of the other freakish fallen gods in Final Fantasy. It really pegged my meter to see a gavel-and-gun-wielding Thomas Mutten in a crane-lifted director's chair with live sheep heads for armrests, and then the Dumuzid form of a disembodied head with a beard-like growth of entwined sheep corpses and a throne room for a crown, in which his human form sits with a shepherd's staff, paraphrasing Castlevania's "It's a fine night to have a curse."
You just don't get that shit in Western games. Not nearly enough, anyway.
And now I hear that reaching Axis Mundi in Babel leads Trisha the Midnight Venus to reveal her name is an anagram for Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess for war, fertility, love and sex, and that she is one and the same with Astaroth from the Confessionals, and that her true motive was the fourth wall-breaking desire to find a worthy new consort in not Vincent, but the player him/herself.
Awesome.
Only downside about Trish/Midnight Venus being this way is it wouldn't be quite so straight-forward to use the Golden Playhouse framing device for a spiritual successor to Catherine. Maybe such a game could retain the Golden Playhouse late-night Twilight Zone device, but have a different hostess. Hmm...
On a side note, this game really drove home for me how much I miss zany Japanese boss battles. Dumuzid, in particular, had a great Bayonetta vibe going for him, and could trace his creative lineage to Kefka and any of the other freakish fallen gods in Final Fantasy. It really pegged my meter to see a gavel-and-gun-wielding Thomas Mutten in a crane-lifted director's chair with live sheep heads for armrests, and then the Dumuzid form of a disembodied head with a beard-like growth of entwined sheep corpses and a throne room for a crown, in which his human form sits with a shepherd's staff, paraphrasing Castlevania's "It's a fine night to have a curse."
You just don't get that shit in Western games. Not nearly enough, anyway.
And now I hear that reaching Axis Mundi in Babel leads Trisha the Midnight Venus to reveal her name is an anagram for Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess for war, fertility, love and sex, and that she is one and the same with Astaroth from the Confessionals, and that her true motive was the fourth wall-breaking desire to find a worthy new consort in not Vincent, but the player him/herself.
Awesome.
Only downside about Trish/Midnight Venus being this way is it wouldn't be quite so straight-forward to use the Golden Playhouse framing device for a spiritual successor to Catherine. Maybe such a game could retain the Golden Playhouse late-night Twilight Zone device, but have a different hostess. Hmm...
Catherine, to me, is like the random hot fling that looks great physically but isn't too bright when you get to know her a little better.
The morality system is pretty laughable, since your choices don't have a meaningful impact for most of the game. The Stray Sheep is presented as this open area full of interaction, but it's really just an overly fancy way of offering dialogue. You have the choice to drink and how much you drink, but there's no incentive not to drink (odd, since it's obvious Vincent does a lot of drinking in-game and it obviously affects him.) You have the ability to "help" people, but all you're doing is letting them air out their own stories. The text message system makes it seem like crafting bits and pieces of a message is important, but in reality it just weighs each individual part on what it does to your meter.
There's lots of other complaints I can lobby against this game if I think about it, but here's the thing: I still enjoyed it. If a sequel ever comes out though, I hope the devs try to get a little more creative with the story elements and how you interact with them. There's a truly amazing sequel that could come out of this, but there needs to be more meat on the bone. Choices need more consequences, earlier on.
Of course, that makes things infinitely more complex to develop...but who knows, maybe the game doing so well will grant a potential sequel a bigger budget?
Oh, and one other random complaint: All the swearing is pretty awful and comes across as very tacked-on, like Atlus handed some fourteen-year-old the script and he added in F-bombs as he saw fit. Is the original Japanese dialogue as foul-mouthed?
The morality system is pretty laughable, since your choices don't have a meaningful impact for most of the game. The Stray Sheep is presented as this open area full of interaction, but it's really just an overly fancy way of offering dialogue. You have the choice to drink and how much you drink, but there's no incentive not to drink (odd, since it's obvious Vincent does a lot of drinking in-game and it obviously affects him.) You have the ability to "help" people, but all you're doing is letting them air out their own stories. The text message system makes it seem like crafting bits and pieces of a message is important, but in reality it just weighs each individual part on what it does to your meter.
There's lots of other complaints I can lobby against this game if I think about it, but here's the thing: I still enjoyed it. If a sequel ever comes out though, I hope the devs try to get a little more creative with the story elements and how you interact with them. There's a truly amazing sequel that could come out of this, but there needs to be more meat on the bone. Choices need more consequences, earlier on.
Of course, that makes things infinitely more complex to develop...but who knows, maybe the game doing so well will grant a potential sequel a bigger budget?
Oh, and one other random complaint: All the swearing is pretty awful and comes across as very tacked-on, like Atlus handed some fourteen-year-old the script and he added in F-bombs as he saw fit. Is the original Japanese dialogue as foul-mouthed?
kyo_daikun
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JWong said:
Yes there is, you have to complete the first 64 levels, get the bracelets, then complete the extra 64 levels and get its 4 bracelets to find out the true story behind it all (you get a trophy for doing it as well)
kyo_daikun
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JWong said:
Well after you start extra mode Rapunzel sings a song about a queen that gets killed by an evil witch, the witch falls in love with a man who brings the queen back to life, the queen sacrifices her unfaithful husband the king.
Basically at the end of it all Rapunzel is the witch who bewitches the prince (the guy your playing as)
Crap story really lol.
Nora Kisaragi
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So, if I get this straight, in order to get your wish, you have to reach the top of the tower (The Cathedral), THEN you have to somehow find the person that made you go through the dreams, THEN You have to go through one last challenge to get your wish granted?
Nora Kisaragi
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ULTROS! said:
it would have lost sales, welcome to marketing