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CBO score released on ACHA - 14 million - 2018 - 24 million more uninsured 2026
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No, lose is still the proper term in context. Those lost premiums are driving the cost up. They're the whole point of the mandate.
If they thought premiums were bad now, let those healthy individuals leave and see how far they get before their rooted for premiums shooting through the roof.
That was a different bill.
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If they pass this, they're gonna get their ass handed to them in 2018 and maybe 2020. That is if Democrats actually get their shit together.
So much suffering for nothing.
So much suffering for nothing.
David H Wong
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Or here if you don't want a pdf:
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52486
Yeah the old link went dead for some reason.
Fuck I wonder if they actually do it. I wonder if my state (Arkansas) would actually elect a Democrat senator or governor again. Republicans in Congress are idiots, really idiots is the only way I can put it. They could actually fix Obamacare heck call it something else and spin it and enjoy all the benefits that come with it and cement their current control to Reaganesque levels but nah they're like hold my drink while I just fuck this shit up.
Fenderputty
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So all the healthy people opt out and the prices skyrocket as the industry crumbles due to people with preexisting conditions sticking around.
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But you guys are probably not aware of how complex health care is. No one could have anticipated how complex it really is.
In a just universe, this is true.
In this one... Well, we'll see. I would like to see the Democrats out in front of this and rail on it non-stop. Not very hard to do, because it fucking sucks.
No one. True.
I think we are assuming that healthcare is a major issue for the majority of voters. We are about to find out but I would not be surprised if the outcome in 2018 and 2020 does not align with our view on the issue.
Hasphat'sAnts
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O for sure, but it's easy to get into a debate around semantics if you don't have total command of what the report says. Be as aggressive in pursuing the hardest hitting talking points as you can, but always be mindful of what each of those numbers mean.
Again, affordability is what this plan is "supposed" to deliver to everyone in America. It obviously does not accomplish this.
https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/841386376151068672
CBO acknowledges how its missed on previous health care projections.
Let's see how the GOP spins this.
That doesn't matter. The talking points are out there.
If the GOP try to spin anything. It'll be how it saves 300 billion over 10 years. Everything else is shit.
He truly is a piece of shit. Hope this fails badly in the House.
Fenderputty
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Ohh please ohh please
BoogieWoogie
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You are insane, literally, if you think access to a doctor and what they are paying for healthcare is not a linchpin in the minds of voters.
NeOak
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SaviourMK2
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Conservatives are only good at a local level, but when it comes to the federal level, they're as useful as a toothbrush in the desert
I see.
So does the american goverment provide any additional funding towards healthcare to keep the rates stable or even pay for healthcare when you are for example unemployed?
From my socialist european point of view it looks like this bill basically is made to give rich people the right to go private healthcare and screw poor people so they can't pay for healthcare?
It helps Americans by kicking them off the government's teat and encouraging them to stop being lazy, pull up their bootstraps and make some money.
This is the GOP's approach to every entitlement. Real Americans vote for it because they think they only mean minorities
LegendofJoe
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The high risk pools have 10% of the funding they need earmarked in this bill. So basically it's a bankruptcy/death sentence to anyone who is seriously sick and under the age of 65 and not covered through work.
Those old Trump voters will have it rough.
2018 midterms are gonna be a bloodbath if this shit passes.
Hardly they will just blame the Black guy for giving them insurance to begin with.
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Trump's been way ahead of you on that before this even released.
For the majority of my life ACA was not a thing. I have been talking about a single payer system for nearly 20 years. Yet we are no closer today to making it a reality than we were 20 years ago.
Short answer is NO.
Long answer is that prior to ACA there were programs that paid for basic healthcare care but few people qualified and even fewer knew about them. Also it varied from state to state.
Then it is up to the Democrats to hammer the message through to the public.
CopperPuppy
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So who does Trump's troll army side with: Paul Ryan because Trump has endorsed this plan, or the CBO because they shit on a plan Breitbart is crusading against?
Either choice leads them into the arms of the *gasp* establishment.
Either choice leads them into the arms of the *gasp* establishment.
Just the way the GOP likes it.
Yep.
A nice softball to start the Perez era.
If they can't knock this one out of the fucking park, then we've clearly learned nothing.
Ziltoidia 9
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Bernie is going to go hard tonight on the town hall on MSNBC, especially with it taken place in West Virginia.
metalslimer
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Yes we saved pennies so more can die!
Yes. But. Actual people, 24 million of them, losing healthcare is a huge fucking deal. It might lead to single payer, it might lead to riots in the streets and the collapse of civil society, who knows, but the one thing it won't lead to is passive acceptance. People dying is a unique motivator. And it turns out, people like healthcare, especially those who can't get it any other way but through the ACA.
LegendofJoe
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So Vermont, Colorado, and now California all attempting to implement single-payer in the last decade didn't happen?
Yeah, and they widely failed. Miserably.
Fancyarcher
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FUCK POOR PEOPLE is his motto.
LegendofJoe
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And? The fact that people tried is at least commendable and noteworthy. How many times were single-payer initiatives tried before the PPACA (or even further back HIPAA) was passed?
Edit: I'm not arguing that single-payer is achievable right now because I don't think it is, but I'll never support the argument that the efforts to implement it are futile. Eventually, if people keep at it we will get it one day.
I will never for the life of me understand how this man is perceived as the intellectual heavyweight of the Republican party. I am not saying you need to be an actuary to understand insurance but the man has no basic idea how insurance works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zi96-XtjXo
My lord.
Black Mamba
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let's look at the Pros and Cons starting with the Cons.
Con: More people uninsured in 2026 than pre- ACA but full on recession 2009.
Pro: $34 billion per year less deficit spending in a $3.5 trillion spending budget to go with an $800 billion tax cut for rich people
Yeah, I can stop there.
Con: More people uninsured in 2026 than pre- ACA but full on recession 2009.
Pro: $34 billion per year less deficit spending in a $3.5 trillion spending budget to go with an $800 billion tax cut for rich people
Yeah, I can stop there.
Colorado single payer vote was a pretty resounding no. Also, I don't live in any of those states. The discussion at Fed level is almost non existent.
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