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CDPR CEO refutes the company's DEI hiring allegation: We hire based on merit and talent alone

MarV0

Member
Despite what some people say, talent and merit isn't enough. You have to fit into the team and its work flow and work ethics. Doesn't matter how talented you are if you don't fit and constantly clash with other colleagues.

Why strive for diversity at all? Where does it all coming from?

There have been studies that suggested work proficiency is increased within a non-homogenous group. For the reasons, it's believed

Furthermore

Source: Harvard Business Review.

However, many people, on a personal level, prefer homogeneity, especially if intercultural contact has been low throughout someone's life. This may lead to systematic avoidance of diversity based on personal feelings rather than logical economics. Of course you have to weigh your employees feelings towards new members against the potential economic gains from said members.

To overcome this personal reluctance about different perspectives and backgrounds in a group and to prevent from discrimination against some groups there's been a trend to take on people, if same the same talent and merit exists, who come from a different background because it's seen as a win-win, both economically (see above) and personally.
I see the point you're trying to make but DEI practices are superficial that do not go beyond colour, race or sexual orientation. Which is why they are vile, racist and sexist.

Say CDPR hires a white guy who grew up in an affluent part of London and a white Romanian guy that grew up in a rural town. Those two white guys backgrounds are as diverse as possible but to the DEI racists they are the same old white dudes.

Similarity there is nothing diverse about hiring a few black guys that grew up in Birmingham. They are as non-diverse as possible but to the DEI racists that's true diversity!
 
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Despite what some people say, talent and merit isn't enough. You have to fit into the team and its work flow and work ethics. Doesn't matter how talented you are if you don't fit and constantly clash with other colleagues.

Why strive for diversity at all? Where does it all coming from?

There have been studies that suggested work proficiency is increased within a non-homogenous group. For the reasons, it's believed


There's a big fallacy here. It turns out that these "diversity" hires have exactly the same personal profile, the same opinions, and the same worldviews. So they are basically the same person with a different skin, just like NPCs. "Diverse teams" end up being homogenous, a monolithic view that hurts projects. See the prime example of Firewalk or Ubisoft.

A proficient team is made of different kinds of people, that's basic business. However, there is a minimum entry-level and that's always skill-based. It's funny that Harvard, the 0,0000001% elite people of this world, lectures us about diversity.

When assembling my team I check out their skills and psychological profiles. A balance men-women is good only because we think differently and find different solutions to problems, but first they need to meet a certain skill level.
 
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StereoVsn

Gold Member
But that's what I'm saying. We don't have any hiring programmes that exclude White or Asian people. The last person I hired was white.

When we hire people, there's no points system and I'm not told to exclude or target anyone.

Especially not on sexuality. How would we even know someone's sexuality before we hire them?
Key here is “you”. You don’t have the program. Plenty of other companies in the West do.

And even in your company if there is a DEI program, then the candidate pool will be artificially changed.
 

StereoVsn

Gold Member
Despite what some people say, talent and merit isn't enough. You have to fit into the team and its work flow and work ethics. Doesn't matter how talented you are if you don't fit and constantly clash with other colleagues.

Why strive for diversity at all? Where does it all coming from?

There have been studies that suggested work proficiency is increased within a non-homogenous group. For the reasons, it's believed

Furthermore

Source: Harvard Business Review.

However, many people, on a personal level, prefer homogeneity, especially if intercultural contact has been low throughout someone's life. This may lead to systematic avoidance of diversity based on personal feelings rather than logical economics. Of course you have to weigh your employees feelings towards new members against the potential economic gains from said members.

To overcome this personal reluctance about different perspectives and backgrounds in a group and to prevent from discrimination against some groups there's been a trend to take on people, if same the same talent and merit exists, who come from a different background because it's seen as a win-win, both economically (see above) and personally.
Most of these studies had very questionable inputs and drew questionable conclusions. A lot of these DEI studies have been debunked.

And anything coming out of Harvard lately I would take with a huge grain of salt.
 

Impotaku

Member
"We hire based on merit and talent alone"

And yet the same talent released cyberjunk in a barely functioning state on consoles had the audacity to try and say it played well and ended up causing Sony to pull the damn thing off the store because of how broken it was.
 

Trilobit

Member
The replies are hilarious

Okay, that was seriously hilarious. What the CDPR dude said is bordering on mythomania.

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FingerBang

Member
I do not endorse any kind of harassment and I believe in freedom, so any studio can do whatever they want and the market will decide if they succeed or not. But I hate the whole concept of DEI because I find the premise flawed.

First of all, I HATE having to disclose my goddamn race, gender and GODDAMN SEXUAL ORIENTATION when applying to jobs, knowing full well those will play against me when it will come to choosing a candidate. But it also pisses me off because I was raised to believe those immutable characteristics don't make us who we are. That these tools are not to avoid discrimination, but to actively discriminate to achieve whatever quota is arbitrarily decided to be acceptable.

I have no problem in working with women, including transwomen, and people of color. I will be respectful and will make sure they feel welcome. There goes my Inclusion. Any company needs to make sure everyone is treated fairly. Special treatment for some groups should not be a requirement.

But my biggest issue is that in some male dominated jobs, the disparity must come from discrimination. If there aren't enough women in tech, it's because discrimination, so we have to increase the number of women in tech. This, how may years after the Damore memo?

DEI is a goddam business created by people with an agenda to sell products. It started with studies that have never been replicated by anyone and it's making every company hell to work at. Not because you want every workplace to be a white sausagefest, but because you keep feeling like your matter less and less when everybody else gets celebrated for being born a certain way.

Defending it in any way means believing:

1) That there is active discrimination against non white straight males in every industry (especially gaming/tech)
2) That well paying white collar jobs are a resource that needs to be distributed equally among different categories.

I reject both points.
 
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Fafalada

Fafracer forever
I do have problems with diversity and inclusion being mentioned at all. Selection has to be based on merit alone. FULL STOP. If I give coding tests to 100 candidates blindly, and only 10 Indians got it correctly, I will hire those 10 Indians. if only 10 Whites got it correctly, I will hire those 10 Whites, and so on
I get the point you're trying to make - but If you hire people on the basis of coding tests alone you're 100% taking a BAD metric for what 'merit' is, and consequently you're making a lot of bad hiring decisions in the hiring process - full stop. Moreover - any interview process that stack-ranks candidates from groups is incredibly flawed to begin with - each candidate needs to be evaluated independently - the moment you do the 'I have top 10 people, now I'll compare them down to 5 roles' you're already doing it wrong, doesn't matter what metrics you use.
But - fundamentally, Interviews are performed by humans, on humans - so even 'coding test' results aren't a reliably objective metric, humans are messy. It's a problem that 'has' been solved - albeit it's inconsistently applied across industries and many companies are still doing it wrong though.

Now - all this said - in TECH - I've never seen or heard of any place that would do things like - we have 10 qualified candidates that passed the interview - but they're from the wrong 'diversity group' so we'll look down-the stack until we find the right ones. That would be equivalent to doing this to your hiring process:
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Finding qualified people is painful enough as is, and we're always up against the wall of timing, money etc. Making more obstacles would be setting yourself up to fail before those people even start working.

As far as artistically speaking, it's very subjective.
That's just complete nonsense. I've been interviewing people for 2 decades and if you know what you're doing - there are no roles in game-dev that are 'subjective' to hire the right talent for. Yes - humans are 'messy' but there's plenty of good science of how to work with that, and what constitutes good hiring decisions. It's not based on multiple-choice tests though, for any role (especially programming) if that's your impression.

Now the word salad aside - in places that do emphasize DEI metrics as part of the hiring process - filtering would have to happen several stages before you (as the interviewer) even talk to a candidate, to have any chance of moving the needle. Women in tech are so overwhelmingly outnumbered - that any attempts to do this on the 'backend' (ie. after you've interviewed your 100 people) would have no effect whatsoever and thus all the fearmongering would be meaningless as well. Doing random-selection of interview candidates - you'll be lucky to get 0-1 women for every 100.
 

Kotaro

Member
I get the point you're trying to make - but If you hire people on the basis of coding tests alone you're 100% taking a BAD metric for what 'merit' is, and consequently you're making a lot of bad hiring decisions in the hiring process - full stop. Moreover - any interview process that stack-ranks candidates from groups is incredibly flawed to begin with - each candidate needs to be evaluated independently - the moment you do the 'I have top 10 people, now I'll compare them down to 5 roles' you're already doing it wrong, doesn't matter what metrics you use.
But - fundamentally, Interviews are performed by humans, on humans - so even 'coding test' results aren't a reliably objective metric, humans are messy. It's a problem that 'has' been solved - albeit it's inconsistently applied across industries and many companies are still doing it wrong though.

Now - all this said - in TECH - I've never seen or heard of any place that would do things like - we have 10 qualified candidates that passed the interview - but they're from the wrong 'diversity group' so we'll look down-the stack until we find the right ones. That would be equivalent to doing this to your hiring process:

I was just giving quick example. Of course in real life people have to go 2-3 rounds of interviews, communication skills + technical skills + behavioural + situational/decision making skills. And candidates with the best combination of them all are chosen

But those are still considered merits


Race + gender + sexual preference, which are what DEI is all about, are not merits
 
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Hugare

Member
Who gives a fuck as long as their games are good? Phantom Liberty came out recently and it was a masterpiece.

Havent seen a scene in Cyberpunk where V removes her breasts or some forced "boss girl" stuff that didnt fit the story.

There are gay characters and one trans, and they are all beautifuly integrated into the story without feeling forced and not making their gender their most important personality trace

Just chill. CDPR isnt a Sony studio.
 
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recursive

Member
Correct. When hiring people, you shouldn't base it on their gender or skin colour. You should hire based on merit.

The misunderstanding people have is that DEI means you have to hire people based on skin colour or gender.

Where I work does DEI and hires based on merit. There's lots of DEI activity that doesn't have anything to do with hiring at all.
Where I work we have DEI and I am told I have to be more intentional about hiring women and POC. DEI is a cancer that needs to be removed.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Oh you beatiful and naive bastard :lollipop_grinning_sweat:

The moment you introduce any form of diversity hiring, you are not hiring the MOST talented people anymore because you are already excluding a whole group of people just because their skin is not dark enough or because they don't have a pussy (real or fake).

You are hiring the most talented people from a limited amount of people, not the most talented people actually available on the market.

If you really want the best people you don't put any race requisite when you hire, and if 10 white men are the best for the job, so fucking be it.

Any company owner here is sicliy would laugh to my face if they heard the concept of diversity hiring, as they should, because it's fucking bullshit.
we might be getting into affirmative action debate and i dont want this to get political so i will just say that i understand your point of view.

I was just pointing out that women and minorities have been in the industry for a while, and simply having diversity in your workplace doesnt mean it's going full woke. THis company is based out of Poland. A country that doesnt even allow Africans or Arab immigrants. The only diverse hires they are going to have are women and LGBT people, and both demographics seem to be attracted to art majors so it's not like they are going out of their way to hire these people anyway.

You and I both have talked about the lack of talent in this industry so I am willing to concede that the current climate of DEI hiring might contribute to that, but a polish studio, and especially a talented one like CDPR which has literally set the standard for realtime graphics this gen is clear not being hurt by whatever diversity policies they've had. So yes, im inclined to take his word for it that he hires on merit and talent alone.
 
DEI has been around for decades in the USA, they just called it affirmative action in the past. And yes, it places importance on hiring based on race, sex, sexual orientation, over ability and merit. The same goes for college acceptance rates. There are numerous data out there. But that's really political so I'll stop.
 
You and I both have talked about the lack of talent in this industry so I am willing to concede that the current climate of DEI hiring might contribute to that, but a polish studio, and especially a talented one like CDPR which has literally set the standard for realtime graphics this gen is clear not being hurt by whatever diversity policies they've had. So yes, im inclined to take his word for it that he hires on merit and talent alone.


I agree that in Poland this is just posturing. The available talent pool dictates the rules.

However, this is leaving the door open. And when you leave the door open, whatever comes in.

Execs from a decade ago also thought this was harmless. Today their companies are crashing.

DEI is a state-of-mind problem, like a virus, rather than a tangible thing. Culture is eroded by a hundred little actions that amount to nothing, only in appearance. Only a warped state of mind would make intellectually capable people not see the impending disasters of Concord or Joker 2.
 
Maybe they are woke by Polish standards but Poland is about as diverse as Japan. It's a hyper conservative country so it's all relative.
 

JayK47

Member
I know a lot of you love CD Projeck Red. I totally get it. I am polish and I love The Witcher games and books. I pre-ordered Cyberpunk and got fucked for it. Most of you have done a 180 on the game and celebrate the game and company.

But I hate to break it to you. They are going down the DEI shithole. I feel all but 100% certain their next several games are going to be infested with it. Female characters will be girl bosses and fuck ugly. Men will be cucked and tucked. Rainbows, pronouns, and pride around every corner.

I will be utterly astonished if they pull off another The Witcher 3. I will be the first one in here to admit I was wrong. I really hope I am wrong.
 

Filben

Member
I see the point you're trying to make but DEI practices are superficial that do not go beyond colour, race or sexual orientation. Which is why they are vile, racist and sexist.

Say CDPR hires a white guy who grew up in an affluent part of London and a white Romanian guy that grew up in a rural town. Those two white guys backgrounds are as diverse as possible but to the DEI racists they are the same old white dudes.

Similarity there is nothing diverse about hiring a few black guys that grew up in Birmingham. They are as non-diverse as possible but to the DEI racists that's true diversity!

There's a big fallacy here. It turns out that these "diversity" hires have exactly the same personal profile, the same opinions, and the same worldviews. So they are basically the same person with a different skin, just like NPCs. "Diverse teams" end up being homogenous, a monolithic view that hurts projects. See the prime example of Firewalk or Ubisoft.

A proficient team is made of different kinds of people, that's basic business. However, there is a minimum entry-level and that's always skill-based. It's funny that Harvard, the 0,0000001% elite people of this world, lectures us about diversity.

When assembling my team I check out their skills and psychological profiles. A balance men-women is good only because we think differently and find different solutions to problems, but first they need to meet a certain skill level.

Most of these studies had very questionable inputs and drew questionable conclusions. A lot of these DEI studies have been debunked.

And anything coming out of Harvard lately I would take with a huge grain of salt.
I thank you guys for this input and having this conversation. I honestly appreciate this.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
To be fair, all these game companies with so many DEI/culture roles might not be the cause but the results.

With so many gaming employees being totally weird people, maybe all these roles are actually created AFTER the offices are flooded with weirdos. So they got to hire these people to herd the sheep. You never know.

Just imagine how many times HR and these culture role people have to send out reminders not to go on social media acting like an ass and uploading confidential memos. Yet they still do it. Think of a sheepdog needing to work 24/7 because the 1000s of sheep are mindless idiots no matter how many fences the farmer puts up.
 
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Fafalada

Fafracer forever
Race + gender + sexual preference, which are what DEI is all about, are not merits
Of course not - and hiring decisions aren't made on that (there are rather nasty legal ramifications in most developed countries**, if you wanted to do that). Besides - as I note above, even if you DID do that - it'd be pointless and wouldn't move any DEI metrics.
What 'can' happen is to apply diversity metrics when filtering the incoming funnel. But 'that' is no different from filtering candidates based on location, language, compensation preferences etc. - none of which are merit based either, and it's done all the time.

Basically the whole concern about 'not hiring the most talented people' is a bunch of nonsense and people yelling at clouds.

**Yes - in the less developed countries, this kind of stuff has been prevalent for decades. The preferential hiring-decisions just happen mostly in reverse, so anti-DEI brigades are actively cheering it on, because the bad-stuff is all fine as long as it rolls in 'their-side' favor.

You and I both have talked about the lack of talent in this industry so I am willing to concede that the current climate of DEI hiring might contribute to that
If we want to debate what kills talent availability in this industry I'd start by pointing fingers at absence of competitive compensation and often really poor working conditions. Particularly when companies themselves use that as negotiation tactics -> 'consider yourself fortunate you're getting an offer in games, who cares if you're paid 3 times less than similar roles in other tech that are often also much less demanding'.
Sure corporate kool-aid in west-coast tech-cults is extremely nauseating as well - but at least they have one leg to stand on in comparison.
 

vkbest

Member
There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding that having DEI programmes means you can't hire on merit.

This is not true.

You can have DEI initiatives and always give jobs/promotions to the best person for the job. That's the right approach to take.
Explain how can you be inclusive and using meritocracy at the same time in a European country with less of 5% immigrants. Can you do?
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Of course not - and hiring decisions aren't made on that (there are rather nasty legal ramifications in most developed countries**, if you wanted to do that). Besides - as I note above, even if you DID do that - it'd be pointless and wouldn't move any DEI metrics.
What 'can' happen is to apply diversity metrics when filtering the incoming funnel. But 'that' is no different from filtering candidates based on location, language, compensation preferences etc. - none of which are merit based either, and it's done all the time.

Basically the whole concern about 'not hiring the most talented people' is a bunch of nonsense and people yelling at clouds.

**Yes - in the less developed countries, this kind of stuff has been prevalent for decades. The preferential hiring-decisions just happen mostly in reverse, so anti-DEI brigades are actively cheering it on, because the bad-stuff is all fine as long as it rolls in 'their-side' favor.


If we want to debate what kills talent availability in this industry I'd start by pointing fingers at absence of competitive compensation and often really poor working conditions. Particularly when companies themselves use that as negotiation tactics -> 'consider yourself fortunate you're getting an offer in games, who cares if you're paid 3 times less than similar roles in other tech that are often also much less demanding'.
Sure corporate kool-aid in west-coast tech-cults is extremely nauseating as well - but at least they have one leg to stand on in comparison.
When people talk merit, they are also taking into account things like you said like location and compensation as obvious points that apply to all. You can have a great candidate but if the guy lives half way around the world or is asking for $500,000 for a job that has a pay band of $100,000-120,000 it's obvious that guy wont cut it.

But all things being equal, except race, gender, sex orientation etc... if a company is purporsely hiring based on skin colour, age or how tall someone is to check off a quota box to make their %'s look cozy is just as discriminatory as it gets. No different than saying a black guy cant enter a store because he's black.

And it's even worse when the person doesn't even qualify, but still gets it. Like US colleges and universities purposely blackballing Asians who get top marks because they dont like how there's too many Asians killing it with 95% high school averages. And sub in other demographic people with shittier marks just because (insert bogus reasons X Y Z here).

You can tell many companies are political. Any company in an online application asking to check off a box describing your gender, race etc... are politically motivated. They will claim somewhere on the page that "dont worry, it's just for informational purposes and wont affect your application". BS. If it doesnt, then you shouldnt ask. Some companies ask, some dont.

Typically from my memory, the large corporations will ask more often. Smaller companies have more streamlined application processes where it seems they dont ask that stuff.

And there is good reason for that. Because many countries have demographic quota requirements to qualify for federal bids. If you dont cut it, you dont qualify. Big corporations are the ones who gun for this, thats why they care. Small companies who dont have the capacity or care about a gov contract dont ask because they arent bidding for contracts anyway. So it's moot.
 
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SHA

Member
I know a lot of you love CD Projeck Red. I totally get it. I am polish and I love The Witcher games and books. I pre-ordered Cyberpunk and got fucked for it. Most of you have done a 180 on the game and celebrate the game and company.

But I hate to break it to you. They are going down the DEI shithole. I feel all but 100% certain their next several games are going to be infested with it. Female characters will be girl bosses and fuck ugly. Men will be cucked and tucked. Rainbows, pronouns, and pride around every corner.

I will be utterly astonished if they pull off another The Witcher 3. I will be the first one in here to admit I was wrong. I really hope I am wrong.
If the game contains offensive content by human nature the consumers will react based on instincts and stop supporting future releases, I don't see how this could have different view reactions unless they plan to bann a whole consumer demographic from the community which is stupid.
 
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GymWolf

Member
we might be getting into affirmative action debate and i dont want this to get political so i will just say that i understand your point of view.

I was just pointing out that women and minorities have been in the industry for a while, and simply having diversity in your workplace doesnt mean it's going full woke. THis company is based out of Poland. A country that doesnt even allow Africans or Arab immigrants. The only diverse hires they are going to have are women and LGBT people, and both demographics seem to be attracted to art majors so it's not like they are going out of their way to hire these people anyway.

You and I both have talked about the lack of talent in this industry so I am willing to concede that the current climate of DEI hiring might contribute to that, but a polish studio, and especially a talented one like CDPR which has literally set the standard for realtime graphics this gen is clear not being hurt by whatever diversity policies they've had. So yes, im inclined to take his word for it that he hires on merit and talent alone.
The only problem seems to be that the wokeization started lately, so we still have to see the results, the next game is gonna tell us if we are wrong or not.
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
When people talk merit, they are also taking into account things like you said like location and compensation as obvious points that apply to all. You can have a great candidate but if the guy lives half way around the world or is asking for $500,000 for a job that has a pay band of $100,000-120,000 it's obvious that guy wont cut it.
But they don't apply to all - and above all, companies filter them based on THEIR capability (or appetite) to hire - not the candidates merit.
Compensation bands for instance - don't apply to all people equally (from heavy reliance on geographic factors, to historical salary progression to your own ability as a salesman and much more). Some individuals command their own market-value that - irrespective of what the company is able to afford - market at large is willing to pay. You can flip-this upside down and argue that maybe everyone in that company is underpaid - or that person is overvalued, or some combination of all of that - but discussion at this point is about $-valuation of said merits, not the merits themselves.
Interview loop is where merit is evaluated - but if you never get there, you're being filtered (in or out) on many other parameters.

But all things being equal, except race, gender, sex orientation etc... if a company is purporsely hiring based on skin colour, age or how tall someone is to check off a quota box to make their %'s look cozy is just as discriminatory as it gets.
Hiring decisions are what needs to be (and ideally is) merit based (most well respected companies do an ok job there - though admittedly, less so in games - but I'm not gonna go down that rabbit hole now).
Selection of the talent pool isn't (and never has been, unless your talent pool is so small you interview everyone - but then you're being filtered somewhere else, externally). Yes it sounds more iffy if said filtering is against things from your list - but let's be honest, before DEI this was still happening, it just wasn't dressed up in virtue-signalling initiatives and had no good intentions attached to it.
In the end the fear-mongering about 'bad-talent' is bunk though. If the filters are setup badly - you get too few candidates, and both the recruiters and the teams they serve fail their KPIs. And with fewer hires there's no possibility of winners in DEI % either - as you will only move those KPIs if you hire substantial numbers.
On the other hand, if candidate numbers are sufficiently high and enough of them end up getting offers after the interview - then the concern about 'is the "right" talent hired?' is moot. As obviously the answer is yes - otherwise we're in scenario 1).

And it's even worse when the person doesn't even qualify, but still gets it.
For this to play out - you have to assume bad actors with lots of influence And/Or bad company hiring policies to enable it. And if that's the case - the company was already setup to fail before discussing any DEI influences (ie. if hiring process is prone to hiring unqualified candidates - that's an artifact of a bad system, not KPIs).

And there is good reason for that. Because many countries have demographic quota requirements to qualify for federal bids. If you dont cut it, you dont qualify. Big corporations are the ones who gun for this, thats why they care. Small companies who dont have the capacity or care about a gov contract dont ask because they arent bidding for contracts anyway. So it's moot.
Political influences are another side of the story (the quotas are a very US-centric problem for instance). School systems have massive issues of their own(manifested differently in other parts of the world, but really the same thing), the fact minorities are DEI-ing other minorities in US schools is well - kind of endemic of the systemic issues there.
 

LMJ

Member
Who gives a fuck as long as their games are good? Phantom Liberty came out recently and it was a masterpiece.

Havent seen a scene in Cyberpunk where V removes her breasts or some forced "boss girl" stuff that didnt fit the story.

There are gay characters and one trans, and they are all beautifuly integrated into the story without feeling forced and not making their gender their most important personality trace

Just chill. CDPR isnt a Sony studio.

Sony studios used to hire based on merit and skill too (smaller studios still do IE Astrobot) then they became bloated and the games started to focus on the wrong stuff...just saying

It's a looming issue, and one that hurts studios/games

You might end up with a Spidey 2 success despite the shit pacing and preachy BS, or perhaps you'll end up in Suicide Squad kind of failure DEI hurts gaming full stop!
 

Evil Calvin

Afraid of Boobs
Well, every company has a quota they need to reach, whether they admit it or not. So, I would believe that they do do some DEI hiring.
 

YuLY

Member
Endymion can't last a week without being a huge clown, as usual.
He just got his community note removed. Think again, stop believing every shit these devs are spewing at you. Is the guy grifting for his youtube channel ? sure, is he wrong tho? no.
 

Astray

Member
He just got his community note removed. Think again, stop believing every shit these devs are spewing at you. Is the guy grifting for his youtube channel ? sure, is he wrong tho? no.
I don't care about community notes because those can be gamed by his followers.

Twitter in general is not to be trusted anymore, there's too much incentive to lie and create controversy for money now.
 

The Cockatrice

I'm retarded?
Whatever the case may be, CDPR has not disappointed me at all. Witcher 3 was my favorite game of all time and now Cyberpunk 2077 is and in case people here forgot, the hottest woman in the game is a black chick, Panam and the second hottest is a latina, so theres 0 white women to romance in the game. The game also has gay romances, lesbian romances, trans characters., etc. It's a massively DEI game if you look at it differently, however its good diverse. Nothing in it felt forced.

So for now, all this doomsayin thread is just white noise. Will see if their next game can deliver or not.
 
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