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CFB 2015 Off-season thread: 12 Gauge backfires on Super Mariota, Mario FPS unlikely
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Mre Sabaned it.
It's called website filler, we're just lucky it wasn't done bleacher report style.
Oh, possibly. I only looked at buck's snippet. I thought they handed out one Offense and one Defense award. If they did it based on position, then Jones still out-performed Hackenburg across 3 games.
Edit: I see now it was on a position-by-position basis.
We took a straw poll once ESPN fucked up that badly in the UNC v. Rutgers game.
I don't care if the winner wants to come up with a title. I just don't want to have to be reminded of this shit every time I come to this thread. It's depressing.
BertramCooper
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Shit like this is the reason we won't ever get to B1GB1GB1G levels.
Deep down, we just really fucking hate each other too much.
I think you guys get riled too much over the coach of the year thing.
I remember when Terry Shea won coty in the Big East so he wouldn't get fired.
Randolph Freelander
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Oh good grief. Slow your roll.
BertramCooper
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At this point it's mainly just a running joke. I don't have any actual ill will toward Jerry Kill. (He's ill enough already.)
But it's still pretty damn obvious that a large number of the folks who vote on these shit awards clearly dislike Ohio State. No OSU coach as B1G Coach of the Year since 1979, despite being easily the best program in the conference in that timeframe? Yeah, that's not a coincidence.
Schmitty
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Wow, ok.
I don't see how it's any different from GamerGators who claim they're in it for ethical reasons. You're still willingly associating with the worst people imaginable, and cheering for a banner that is now synonymous with people who worship their hobby above all else. The support from supposedly ethical majorities is what gives those cretins cover in the first place.
Thought this was a cool gesture from Sparty.
As I've said on here several times, I really value the mutual respect between us and MSU. It's refreshing.
That's some SEC level stupid.
You lost to them. Had you beaten them, maybe you are in that title game.
Randolph Freelander
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What in the world is gamergate.
Actually, nevermind, I kind of like not knowing.
Actually, nevermind, I kind of like not knowing.
I have never been a fan of taking away scholarships or vacating wins that group punish and nearly every time don't punish the actual rules violators in the first place. If you ask me, players who break rules in the NCAA and don't get found out till they get to the NFL should be punished personally with suspensions and fines within the NFL. The athletes at the school should not be punished for assholes who already graduated. Same with coaches. Coaches should get show cause and any records attached to them removed so personally I think that since it wasn't the Penn State football players raping boys etc, the school wins should stay intact but Paterno's link to those wins as a coach should be permanently removed. I mean like he should not get credit as winning-nest coach but the wins his players made should still be credited to his players. They were not raping children or looking the other way.
Paterno should also have written in his bio wherever he is celebrated like halls of fame and so on, that he took part in looking the other way to child abuse, etc. The group punishment the NCAA hands out does not exist anywhere else. MLB did not take away all the wins of every team who had performance drug abusers. All the gold medals a entire country wins are not taken away for single members of the Olympic teams cheating, etc etc.
That being said, something needs to be done to punish the actual people who were involved in the cover-up of child abuse at Penn State. Hopefully they do eventually bring charges against the other members of the administration like the President and VP. The way people act is as if every single resident and student of Penn State goes out and rapes children at night.
No, of course not. They just don't really mind if someone representing the university does as long as they keep winning football games.
Randolph Freelander
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This is about a different fanbase being subjected to this nonsense. Or is that disallowed, too?
I'm nothing if not a stickler for rules.
Yes, because all the students and residents of State College knew the child abuse was going on.... and somehow no one in the rest of the entire country or world picked up on this knowledge that was apparently known by some 100,000 people who happen to come from all over the country to go there which means they pretty good at keeping secrets eh.
Look, I do a lot of business in State College and I can tell you, the people who still are all like "Paterno can do no wrong" is a laughable minority. Most people are pissed to hell at him for not doing shit and looking the other way. What people there are irritated about and its the same thing that irritates every fan of any other institution who has had NCAA sanctions put on them like USC for instance, is that the majority of the punishments handed down don't to shit to actually punish the law breakers or rules violators. The punishments such as removal of scholarships or bowl bans, hurt future players who did not take money from boosters or use prostitutes or cover up child rape. The excuse that its to punish the culture of football is ridiculous because the person/people who break the rules or law are 1 or just a few individuals in an institution of 10s of thousands of individuals who do follow the law. There was no culture of everyone taking money to buy houses at USC just like there was no culture of everyone raping children to win football at Penn State.
Punish the individuals who commit the crime, not the people who find what the individuals did disgusting and repulsive in the first place.
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Allie Conti ‏@allie_conti 6m6 minutes ago
@TheVeronicaVain let me know if you'd wanna do an interview for @VICE. also, go gata.
made me lol
BertramCooper
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#NotAllLions
perfectchaos007
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That Veronica Vain is one hot piece of ACE!
Yeah they certainly know now, and the ones I meet when I travel there for business do not say "hey its ok to rape children if we win football" They are glad Paterno is gone and would advocate torturing and cutting off Sanduskys balls if it was legal to do so. I am going to ask a few next time I am there what they think of getting the wins back. From talking to them before I think most would say they were happy for the players getting the wins back but that the wins should be de-linked from Paterno and he should get no credit for them.
The O'brien article about the Joeites is a pretty interesting read.
Every school has it's crazies. I am not going to blackball an entire school and everyone who goes there because of them. And its always the crazies who are the most vocal so they seem like a larger group then they actually are. Very similar to any other type of group, be it religious fanatics or the fanatics in any political faction.
BertramCooper
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The Penn State Athletic Department, Head Football Coach and University President systmatically covered up the efforts of a child rapist in their locker room and continued to allow him access to both 1) The Locker Room. 2) Children without telling anyone.
Sorry bro, but fuck the "future player" dog whistle, fuck the scholarships, fuck the statue, fuck JoePa and fuck the entire 100,000+ fanbase who wants to sue the NCAA for taking away the scholarships and wins. Fuck that noise.
If Texas ever got caught doing even a modicum of what Penn State got caught doing I hope the University President and Boards does the right thing and shuts the fucking program down.
You want to talk about hurting future players? Jesus Christ, there are 40+ kids whose lives were ruined by Penn State. I could give a flying fuck if Penn State ever plays another football game and the 100,000+ fans never get to where a bunch of white shirts and cheer on a meaningless game again.
For fucks sake. As far as I can tell everyone in the entire middle of Pennsylvania needs their heads examined and their priorities sorted the fuck out.
I know "NCAA condones rape" is the popular storyline, but this is really about the NCAA avoiding a devastating legal answer to its current existential crisis
If the PA legislature hadn't insisted the $60mm be spent entirely in PA, or if the NCAA had just let that slide, this wouldn't have happened. Good job everyone, we got the worst possible ending
If the PA legislature hadn't insisted the $60mm be spent entirely in PA, or if the NCAA had just let that slide, this wouldn't have happened. Good job everyone, we got the worst possible ending
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The first step in fixing everything Penn State has done wrong is to apologize to the Paterno family.
The second step appears to be to reubild the JoePa statue.
I assume they'll get around to that whole child rape cover up thing later.
Yeah so maybe you should be pushing for actual LEGAL authorities to criminally punish these individuals in the administration. Penn State is a rival, its not my school, but even I cannot see how any of the NCAA punishments did anything to actually hurt the criminals who committed the act. I advocate The Penn State Athletic Department, Head Football Coach and University President all be thrown in prison but most other people in the country think that shutting down the football program will punish them.....meanwhile most of those individuals have millions of dollars packed away and are walking around scot free right now because everyone in the country is so focused on the football program instead. Good job guys.
Also by that reasoning we should shut down all major league sports because we have had rape coverups, gambling coverups, wife beating, child abuse, murder happen in those sports. There is a reason we have a Judicial system bro. Push for its use. Collective punishment doesn't make the victims feel any better than if the individual's who actually commit or allow the crime to happen are punished. Are we supposed to punish every single individual with prison, etc who works for a investment bank or company that breaks the law?
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Punish the admins for criminal action (is this happening yet), while punishing the program so that they and others never put the temporary benefit of a sport above justice or, you know, kids.
perfectchaos007
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If you read the ESPN Facebook comments, you'll see most Penn State fans have a unified opinion on the matter
Joe Paterno's 111 wins restored
ESPN removed anonymous posting a couple of years ago in attempt to have a more open and clean discussion with poster accountability.
Joe Paterno's 111 wins restored
ESPN removed anonymous posting a couple of years ago in attempt to have a more open and clean discussion with poster accountability.
I know from experience dude.
perfectchaos007
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No, no you don't
By punishing the individuals you are making sure it never happens again. Criminal punishment is supposed to deter crime. If you make sure every single person who played a part in covering up this is punished criminally with harsh punishment or whatever, then future individuals if they find out someone is molesting someone will not sit back and let it happen because they know they will go to prison too. If they know all that is going to happen is their college is going to be punished or so on but nothing will happen to them individually then what deterrent is there to speak up.
If a relative of mine goes and rapes someone and I find out about it and I do not go to authorities. I should be punished as well. However, if that relative rapes someone and I have no knowledge of it nor does the rest of my family and hes caught and then my whole family is arrested and charged with rape how is that fair? How does that get justice for anyone? This is tantamount to punishing a whole community for the crimes of one person. It is shocking to me no one sees what a slippery slope to despotism that collective punishment is.
Being an opponent of collective punishment that hurts innocent individuals does not make a person a Sandusky apologist. Calling people Sandusky apologists or apologists of any other type is just the typical slander used by people who can't argue with someones reasoning so they resort to trying to link you to "oh you must support child rape." It's the same disgusting name calling we use in politics calling people Nazis and Socialists.
If killing football actually punished the ones at fault in the scandal at Penn State or in any scandal at any other university or if similar actions would work in any other matter of life then I would support it. I will not support actions that punish innocent people and you know what. Most victims of crime would tell you they would not support punishing innocent people but would want to see the actual criminals punished.
The actions that the NCAA took that mean a lot more and will cause much more change and help victims of abuse are the monetary fines. Those will actually help victims and prevent future victims.
I look at things pragmatically instead of viscerally and the whole thing was handled badly from the start because everyone approached it emotionally instead of figuring out better ways to actually punish the ones at fault. People who truly believe that taking away wins will be more effective in preventing this sort of crime from happening then the threat of prison time are seriously deluded.
If you read the ESPN Facebook comments, you'll see most Penn State fans have a unified opinion on the matter
Joe Paterno's 111 wins restored
ESPN removed anonymous posting a couple of years ago in attempt to have a more open and clean discussion with poster accountability.
Paterno knew, and its too bad hes not alive to go to prison for it. Actually he probably wouldn't because he followed the technical letter of the law by going to the campus police superiors and VP but regardless of that, he was BMOC so he had the power to circumvent all that, but didn't use it. That is what makes him a truly terrible person. The fact he had that sort of power but didn't use it to stop the abuse, he just handed the problem over to someone else.
Also, if only the fucking news sites would do the same for posting. It's terrible there. So glad the BBC doesn't allow comments except on the most kosher of subjects.
No. No, I don't. But I guy I know, him and her GOT IT ON!!! YEEEEEEHAAAAAAAA!
perfectchaos007
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One of my co-workers and I exchange Billy Madison/Happy Gilmore/Waterboy quotes on a daily basis here in the office. I don't know why, we just do.
timetokill
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Damn.
I'm the same way. Throw in talledega nights and stepbrothers with the occasional hot tub time machine.
KefkaPalazzo
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I thought I was...I had some ideas too. Not good ones, but ideas!
Poetic.
I guess USC should of rolled over and played dead first instead of impeding the investigation for years. If they had let the NCAA have full access like Miami and Penn State did they could of been guaranteed of the NCAA fucking up and doing a bunch of illegal shit in its investigation allowing USC to sue and get most or all the sanctions dropped.
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I think that is the main lesson of this all. Do not impede the NCAA at all. They are guaranteed to break laws like improper questioning of witnesses or use blackmail which will allow you to sue them to make them surrender.
timetokill
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I guess the main lesson is you don't know what happened at USC. USC cooperated with the NCAA. The NCAA acknowledged as much in their report.
And the NCAA still did a bunch of illegal shit, stuff that is in court as we speak. They actually moved to have the records of the process sealed because there's so much illegal shit they did, and former USC coach Todd McNair (who basically lost his livelihood over the NCAA witch hunt) has been in court ever since moving to get them unsealed and suing the NCAA while he's at it.
But ultimately the main lesson is that, for the NCAA, business is more important than the safety of children. Sandusky could have raped children on the 50 yard line at halftime every week while Paterno looked the other way, and the NCAA still would have rolled over.
Rolling over and playing dead doesn't work. See: Alabama and USC.
The NCAA can talk about how cooperation let the schools avoid stiffer penalties, but the fact of the matter is, cooperating just gives them the ammo to skull fuck you.
Edit: We got nailed for giving players too many books.
The NCAA couldn't prosecute him and send him to jail for it no matter what they tried. Thank god our court system is more competent then the NCAA. Hopefully they prosecute the rest of the people involved. You seem to think the NCAA has more authority than it does. There's a reason so many of these sanctions have been dropped. It has nothing to do with whether or not the NCAA cares about children.
I could post a thousand articles about the missteps they made which is why they had to undo a lot of the sections.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/114477/ncaas-involvement-with-penn-state-penalties-flawed-from-the-start
Next time they need to leave criminal prosecution to the Judicial system. They even admitted that they should not have acted on it but did so anyways on emotions. When the scandal first came out, I myself, for months wanted the death penalty for the Penn State program. Over time i read all the legal issues and I knew this was going to be the conclusion to the overreach over a year ago. The NCAA fucked up and because of it they hurt the child victims of Sandusky yet again.
I was more being sarcastic about how badly the NCAA does things in that post.
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Lol, they just aired an interview with the Buckeye cheerleader who got trampled at the NC game. She showed off the cleat marks and bruises on her arm 0.o. She was pretty humorous about it all though and was worried that she might of caused players to lose their focus.
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