cheap HDtv
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Shogmaster
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mug said:
There's no way that tube can fully resolve 1280x720 picture. It'll take 720p or 1080i signal and downscale it to fit the tube's resolution (I'm guessing around 800x480).
They have this Sanyo 30" HDTV crt at my local Walmart for about $470.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2601425
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2601425
Shogmaster
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Chris_C said:
That's would be more like side scaling. And if a tube can't fully resolve 1280x720p picture, it certainly ain't gonna do 1920x1080i.
Now some TVs take 720p signal, side scales it into 1080i before scaling that down to a resolution that the TV's tube can resolve (into 960x540 or something) if that's what you mean...
Shogmaster
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nataku said:
If you choose direct view LCD TVs, you can get true Hi Def* as small as 17". Direct view CRT HDTVs are problematic since all the models capable of resolving HD resolutions are now all discontinued.
Rear Projection world is where the value lives, but the smallest you can buy is 42".
Thus, the most popular kinds of HDTVs on sale is direct view LCD HDTVs. 27"~32" being the most popular sizes. Unfortunately, they are all pretty much now 1366x768 instead of 1280x720 (with 1920x1080 for the high end). 720p signals will suffer from a slight upscaling on the 1366x768 sets.
*Anything over 1280x720.
Plus at 26" I really don't notice too much of a difference to be honest. I'm not a HD expert or anything but I'm satisfied with the quality so far. Although I've only experienced GT4 in "1080i" which I shouldn't even use as a test. 480p 16:9 however looks amazing. I'm going to get a 360 soon so hopefully I can see the true quality of the TV.
chinmonster
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Anyone have that first mini-19-inch Sammy that is willing to take some real pics? I kind of want to see some gaming on it, since I'm thinking about taking the plunge in addition to my 32'' Sammy LCD.
sorryaboutdresden
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chinmonster said:
I'm getting it very soon because of this thread. When I finally get my hands on it I'll be sure to take a bunch of pictures of it running my 360.
chinmonster
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Awesome.sorryaboutdresden said:
Also, I have this strange desire to see RE4 PS2 running on it with 16:9 progressive scan, so if you could rawk some pics of that, it'd be faaantastic.
I'll probably be getting it soon regardless anyway...Shogmaster
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Grayman said:
Cheapo? Not with HDMI. The cheapest 1080p with HDMI is probably gonna be a 37" Westinghouse direct view LCD TV.
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
Just book marking this. I'm up to about 1,800 for my own personal set besides the one my family has, I'd like one myself. However, the cheaper the better guys
this odd "don't get crt's, they aren't as good as 720p" argument is obviously coming from people who've read a spec sheet and think they know what the deal is.
at whatever size you're talking about, CRTs can have the best picture quality, without the contrast issues of lcds.
actually go out and look at the TVs. If you're buying 34-inch or below, a CRT is a perfectly good option if you can find a good one.
at whatever size you're talking about, CRTs can have the best picture quality, without the contrast issues of lcds.
actually go out and look at the TVs. If you're buying 34-inch or below, a CRT is a perfectly good option if you can find a good one.
Shogmaster
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rjcc said:
That's not the argument, Junior. We have a 34" Sony CRT HDTV at my house. The argument is that the only CRTs left these days are not high enough in pixel density to do real HD (which is at least 720p). That's all. The prices are good and obviously the black levels can't be beat on them but really, their time in the market is over since all the big boys are shoveling crap to us now (including Sony who's selling us their old mid range tube only now).
CurlySaysX
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you can get last years V series Bravia Sets for pretty cheap now.
32inch from $AU2200 (RRP $3999) which is almost a 50% discount, the 26inches would be dirt cheap too.
\Just saying.
32inch from $AU2200 (RRP $3999) which is almost a 50% discount, the 26inches would be dirt cheap too.
\Just saying.
while we are at it, what do you guys think of this Samsung LE-40 R 73 BD? im planning on buying this baby sometimes in december. it would be nice if somone could give me some feedback on this one?
101 cm Bildschirmdiagonale
- TFT-LCD Display mit Super-PVA-Technologie
- Pictureformat: 16:9
- Resolution: WXGA 1366 x 768
- Brightness: 500cd/m²
- Contrast: 5.000:1
- DNIe (Digital Natural Image Engine)
- 8 ms Responstime
- Viewingangle: h/v 178°/ 178°
- 5 Farbtemperatureinstellungen (Kalt2, Kalt1, Normal, Warm1, Warm2)
- 4 Bildmodi (Dynamisch, Standard, Film, Benutzerdefiniert)
- 4 Bildformate: 16:9, Autobreit, 4:3, Zoom
- Standbildfunktion
- Musikleistung: RMS 2 x 10 Watt
- Nicam/A2 Stereo
- SRS Tru Surround XT
- 5 Tonmodi (Standard, Musik, Film, Sprache, benutzerdefiniert)
- Graphic Equaliser (5 Kanäle)
- automatische Lautstärkeanpassung
- DVB-T Tuner integriert
- HD ready
Anschlüsse :
- Digitaler Bildeingang (HDMI mit HDCP)
- DVI-Audioeingang (Cinch-Anschlüsse)
- Komponenteneingang
- 2x Scart
- PC-Anschluß (D-Sub)
- PC-Audioeingang
- Audioausgang
- digitaler Audioausgang (optisch)
- 1x FBAS
- 1x S-Video
here is a link to the site i was palning to buy it from. ( its in german)
http://www.redcoon.de/index.php/cmd/shop/a/ProductDetail/pid/B117189/cid/15005/refId/geizhals/
101 cm Bildschirmdiagonale
- TFT-LCD Display mit Super-PVA-Technologie
- Pictureformat: 16:9
- Resolution: WXGA 1366 x 768
- Brightness: 500cd/m²
- Contrast: 5.000:1
- DNIe (Digital Natural Image Engine)
- 8 ms Responstime
- Viewingangle: h/v 178°/ 178°
- 5 Farbtemperatureinstellungen (Kalt2, Kalt1, Normal, Warm1, Warm2)
- 4 Bildmodi (Dynamisch, Standard, Film, Benutzerdefiniert)
- 4 Bildformate: 16:9, Autobreit, 4:3, Zoom
- Standbildfunktion
- Musikleistung: RMS 2 x 10 Watt
- Nicam/A2 Stereo
- SRS Tru Surround XT
- 5 Tonmodi (Standard, Musik, Film, Sprache, benutzerdefiniert)
- Graphic Equaliser (5 Kanäle)
- automatische Lautstärkeanpassung
- DVB-T Tuner integriert
- HD ready
Anschlüsse :
- Digitaler Bildeingang (HDMI mit HDCP)
- DVI-Audioeingang (Cinch-Anschlüsse)
- Komponenteneingang
- 2x Scart
- PC-Anschluß (D-Sub)
- PC-Audioeingang
- Audioausgang
- digitaler Audioausgang (optisch)
- 1x FBAS
- 1x S-Video
here is a link to the site i was palning to buy it from. ( its in german)
http://www.redcoon.de/index.php/cmd/shop/a/ProductDetail/pid/B117189/cid/15005/refId/geizhals/
I'm thinking of picking this up:
Specs are here: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS2651DXXAA.asp?page=Specifications
Can GAF please educate me with regards to how good this TV will be for gaming? I would expect it to last at least three to four years so I would need it to be relatively futureproof.
Specs are here: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS2651DXXAA.asp?page=Specifications
Can GAF please educate me with regards to how good this TV will be for gaming? I would expect it to last at least three to four years so I would need it to be relatively futureproof.
ElyrionX, since it's brightness contrast lvl is really good and it has HDMI and all that, it should be OK. Don't depend on me tough, don't know too much about these things eighter. I do know 26" widescreen is expensive
StRaNgE: the european equivalent (at least I think so, with only 1 component slot) looks to be something like this - also 3000:1 contrast, 23" and boxes on the side. I think?
StRaNgE: the european equivalent (at least I think so, with only 1 component slot) looks to be something like this - also 3000:1 contrast, 23" and boxes on the side. I think?
Xdrive05
Member
Hey guys, I need some help. I'm looking for an economical HDtv within the next couple months, since I'm buying a Wii. I know the Wii doesn't do 720p, but that's really what I'm after. Here's the deal:
- 720p (but I would take that 768 resolution if I had to)
- 16:9
- over 23" if possible
- headphone jack (I play console games with these in my room)
- sub $400 (or not much over)
Is there anything out there that's like this? That Sammy from a couple pages back would be perfect except I really want something with a little larger screen size, since I'll be sitting about 8 to 10 feet away from it.
Also, I'd take a CRT if I had to, but I'm really just looking for the absolute best my little budget will buy. Bulkiness or looks DOES NOT MATTER, just as long as it works as advertised.
I really appreciate whatever help you folks can offer. Thanks.
EDIT: I live in the US, btw. Thanks again.
- 720p (but I would take that 768 resolution if I had to)
- 16:9
- over 23" if possible
- headphone jack (I play console games with these in my room)
- sub $400 (or not much over)
Is there anything out there that's like this? That Sammy from a couple pages back would be perfect except I really want something with a little larger screen size, since I'll be sitting about 8 to 10 feet away from it.
Also, I'd take a CRT if I had to, but I'm really just looking for the absolute best my little budget will buy. Bulkiness or looks DOES NOT MATTER, just as long as it works as advertised.
I really appreciate whatever help you folks can offer. Thanks.
EDIT: I live in the US, btw. Thanks again.
Diablohead
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Sorry that I missed this question last night, but its on the left side of the thing (not in the shot), it has that, an earphone socket and s-video.Jefklak said:
This lcd has everything apart from hdmi
Unless it's a used/refurbished model, the only way you'll get that size/specs with that price is if you find some kind of in-store open box deal. Then you might be able to haggle the price down. Either that or go with an older model CRT which is definitely not recommended.Xdrive05 said:
You'll either have to up your budget or rearrange your room and go for something smaller.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Buy used. Problem solved.
BigGreenMat
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Farore said:
I have asked this question many times with no real answer. I have no clue either.
lachesis
Member
Heezzi said:SAMSUNG 940MW-SV Silver 19" 8ms Widescreen LCD Monitor with TV Tuner 300 cd/m2 700:1 Built in Speakers 0.294mm Pixel Pitch
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001073
$329, $299 with mail-in rebate.
Wowza. This is pretty practical and stuff.
I'm actually thinking of getting some of these 21-24 inch LCD pannels for each consoles in different rooms, or along the wall.... like a mini kiosk. Then again, buying a house which can have a wall space like that would be another matter...
Naked Snake
Member
Yeah that monitor having a SCART socket is pretty cool, but I wonder how 480i games look on it, probably not pretty at all.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Mine too. Something to point out about this set is that it only displays in 1080i, though. I'm still unsure as to what set exactly I will be purchasing soon, but I'm pretty sure I want one with a 480p mode for best image quality of current (and Wii) stuff.Stin said:
I've actually been considering the refurbished Philips one Chris_C mentioned earlier for a long, long time (and linked to it in previous HDTV threads), but I guess I did too much research on places like the AVS Forums. Great price, but I read too many stories about people ending up with problems and having a shitty time trying to get them repaired or replaced. I know it's those with the problems who I'm most likely to end up reading about, but now I'm afraid to get a refurbished set from online, unless it has a good warranty.
Jefklak already told you to get it, so I didn't think you needed more input.ElyrionX said:
You should be able to get it for well under $900, so it's a great deal if you do. 2 HDMI, 1 component, VGA, headphone jack, 2 RF inputs (though you probably won't make use of 'em) optical out (great bonus!) etc. Great contrast ratio, response time and standardized resolution as well (which will reduced any needed scaling).
Go for it.
No way, anything under 12ms is good. You'll only really have ghosting if it's above 12... and you'll only see if at 12 if you're sensitive to it.MoxManiac said:
You're good to go at 8ms.
raYne said:Jefklak already told you to get it, so I didn't think you needed more input.
You should be able to get it for well under $900, so it's a great deal if you do. 2 HDMI, 1 component, VGA, headphone jack, 2 RF inputs (though you probably won't make use of 'em) optical out (great bonus!) etc. Great contrast ratio, response time and standardized resolution as well (which will reduced any needed scaling).
Go for it.
What do you mean when you refer to "standard resolution" that will reduce any needed scaling?
I'm actually kind of worried that if I were to connect my PS2 on composite (I don't have the S-video or component cables and those are hard to find these days) on this new TV, the graphics would turn out to be too painful to look at.
I only meant that the previous tvs/monitors in the thread have a standard resolution that's above the norm. So they'd have to do more scaling of the images.ElyrionX said:
This one is in line with the norm, so in comparison with the others it'll need to do far less, if any, depending on the source.
Composite is an issue though... you really shouldn't be using composite on an LCD at all. If you're only playing your PS2 on it and won't be getting into next-gen soon I'd wait on the purchase. At least then you can find it even cheaper.
ElyrionX said:
Yes, that would be stupid. Get a cheap generic component cable on eBay (Such as this one).
raYne said:
Actually the whole point of getting this TV is because the 360 looks like complete ass on my 21" SDTV now. It's so bad that I have to squint to read the damn text in TDU and Ghost Recon.
However, the current gen is far from over with several great PS2 stuff coming right along but it is ending soon so I wouldn't want to spend on a component cable that I won't have much use for. Will it even have much of an effect if I switched from composite to component?
And just how bad will PS2 composite look on a TV like that?
Crazymoogle
Member
Dural said:
As good an answer as any, because there isn't much in the way of answers. 1366x768 is the primary standard for WXGA, so yeah, it's definitely a friendlier way to do things for 1024x768 panel densities. The exact answer is still a mystery though.