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Child Abuse Scandal in UK grows to implicate MPs, celebs - Update Posts #900/#1100

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NekoFever said:
Apparently a knighthood can't be revoked because it's a living honour and you cease to be a knight when you die.

Edit: I've just seen another article on the BBC website that says the same thing but that they might reconsider the rules.
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Clay Davis said:
he's dead. you lose the honour of a knighthood when you die, so while I understand why some people are calling for it to be revoked, it would ultimately be a pointless because he's no longer a sir.
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Oh, well in that case people should fucking stop calling him Sir. And I'm sure his OBE can be nullified.
 
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PumpkinPie said:
I think the more important story is that you're reading the Sunday Sport, and I use the term 'reading' very lightly, since it's a publication commonly associated with illiterate baboons.
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It's courtesy of Brian Whelan's Twitter account but by all means jump to conclusions.
 
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killer_clank said:
Not sure if I should even say this, but there's rumours about Ted Heath. Both him and Savile are rumoured to have been frequent visitors to Haut de la Garenne.
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Yup. Again rumours about Heath have been around for years. I'm just wary to lump a secretly gay, high profile man who would cruise around for young men (which was always an open secret) in with a peado sight unseen.
 
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http://timesopinion.tumblr.com/post/32804536645/jimmy-saviles-affections-laid-bare-by-jimmy-savile

Hey Brits, please, please, read this, and tell me how in the Queens name no one in your country noticed he was a pedophile? He said so himself in his fucking autobiography in 1974.

[Savile] writes of an incident at the Mecca Locarno ballroom in Leeds, where he worked as a DJ during the 1950s, when a female police officer came in with a photograph of “an attractive girl who had run away from a remand home”.

Savile writes: “‘Ah,’ says I all serious, ‘if she comes in I’ll bring her back tomorrow but I’ll keep her all night first as my reward’.” He then writes that the girl did go into the club and “agreed that I hand her over if she could stay at the dance, [and] come home with me”. He wrote that he did then hand her over to the “lady of the law…[who] was dissuaded from bringing charges against me by her colleagues, for it was well known that were I to go I would probably take half the station with me”.

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After two series, Clunk, Click was replaced by Jim'll Fix It, which he presented from 1975 to 1994.

Ok, so just to get this straight, one year after he releases his autobiography in which he openly states he is into children... he gets his own TV Show where he is around Kids all the time?
 
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How trustworthy is the mirror?

The new leads are not connected to other celebrities also being investigated by Scotland Yard about child abuse. Police say at least 200 victims have come forward to make claims against the Jim'll Fix It star.

But investigators at ITV's Exposure, who broke the initial story and have handed more evidence to police, say that number could get close to 1,000. A new ITV probe, expected to be screened next month, will throw up "dynamite" new revelations on Savile and his pals.
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The fuck 1,000?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-child-abuse-inquiry-1390992
 
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What an incredible night of British television.

  • BBC 10 O'Clock News leads with investigation into BBC investigation about BBC investigation.
  • BBC1, BBC2 and ITV1 are all talking about what is currently airing on BBC1.
The testimonies on Panorama are horrific and some of the clips from his TV shows are disgusting.
 
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War Peaceman

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This is getting very interesting and disturbing. Firstly Tom Watson implicated a former PM's aide in a previous paedophile ring (and rumours abound about that particular PM). Now a current cabinet minister who was health minister around the time when Savile received the key to Broadmoor is alleged (and allegations are being attacked by the government) to be involved in something dodgy. I don't believe it, myself. Or perhaps don't want to.
 
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vcassano1 said:
This is getting very interesting and disturbing. Firstly Tom Watson implicated a former PM's aide in a previous paedophile ring (and rumours abound about that particular PM). Now a current cabinet minister who was health minister around the time when Savile received the key to Broadmoor is alleged (and allegations are being attacked by the government) to be involved in something dodgy. I don't believe it, myself. Or perhaps don't want to.
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The former PM is Thatcher, IIRC, and the allegations about her aide have been around for a while. I hadn't heard the Ken Clarke/Edwina Currie allegations, but the appointment of Savile to Broadmoor fucking stunk so I'd welcome investigation of that decision.

Savile got away with this for so long because - as far as I can see - he was able to brazen out any allegations, the victims weren't adequately supported and dealt with (remember the difference in attitudes when we're talking about events 40-50 years ago) and because he had important friends. The whole damn thing needs torn open and the rot dealt with.
 
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Busty said:
That was the rumour that was doing the rounds in British showbiz BEFORE he died. It was said that he was a really evil fuck with a particularly sadistic side.

It's said that he was also connected to organised crime in London.

Apparently the stories about his traveling to an orphanage in Jersey are just the tip of that particular nightmare inducing iceberg.

All in all a thoroughly loathsome fuck.
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Rich important people linked to pedophile rings, never getting arrested, and getting knighted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/27/jimmy-savile-scandal-celebrity-hedonism

Paedophilia became a subject of national concern in the 1970s as it emerged as a civil rights issue. In 1974, paedophiles set up the Paedophile Information Exchange to lobby for the abolition of the age of consent and to oppose the banning of child pornography. The group operated openly until 1978 when the police arrested and charged some of its members.
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Wow
 
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Broadmoor staff said Jimmy Savile was a 'psychopath' with a 'liking for children'
Jimmy Savile was considered a "psychopath" with a "liking for children" by the staff at the high security Broadmoor hospital during the 1980s, it has been claimed.
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The new allegations came as his £4m estate was frozen in response to the mounting sexual abuse claims against the late television and radio star.
The former DJ was given full access to the hospital because of his fund-raising activities and would roam the corridors and take girls back to his flat on the campus, it was claimed.
Some nurses even joked that it should have been him behind bars such was his behaviour.
"I'd long considered him, as did my colleagues did, as a man with a severe personality disorder and a liking for children," Richard Harrison, a psychiatric nurse at Broadmoor for 30 years during Savile's tenure told Channel 4 News.
"I'd say he was a psychopath," said Bob Allen, a staff nurse at the time. "A lot of the staff said he should be behind bars. We used to laugh about it in those days."
Mr Allen described one evening when he saw the BBC entertainer in a car with a young girl who appeared to be 14 or 15 years old.
Savile and the girl went into the flat the star had been given to use at Broadmoor, Berkshire.
As Mr Allen walked away, the lights in the flat dimmed but nobody came out.
He said he reported it to his supervisor, who he believes did refer the matter up, but was told the following day that "no one appears to be interested".
Meanwhile NatWest Bank, which is acting as the Jim'll Fix It presenter's will executor and trustee, said the distribution of his assets had been put on hold because of the allegations.
Savile's estate is reportedly worth £4.3 million.
NatWest said in a statement: "Given the claims raised, distribution of the estate has been put on hold."
Savile's will was written in 2006 and bequeaths his savings and other assets to 26 separate beneficiaries, according to the Financial Times (FT).
The newspaper said it had obtained a copy of the document which instructs that £20,000 in cash was to be shared between 20 of the celebrity's friends, family and neighbours.
It says a further £600,000 was to be put into a trust fund, with the interest shared between eight people.
The remainder – just under £3.7 million before expenses – was to be held by NatWest on behalf of The Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust, according to the FT.
Savile's intended individual beneficiaries include the trustees of both his charities and existing and former employees of Leeds General Infirmary and Broadmoor Hospital, the newspaper added.
Police are investigating claims that the star, who died in October last year, sexually assaulted individuals at both NHS sites.
Savile's estate was previously put on hold in July after a woman claimed to be his illegitimate daughter, the FT said.
It is believed the latest freeze may be in anticipation of legal claims for damages by Savile's alleged victims.
Scotland Yard is leading a national investigation into the television and radio star's activities. He is now believed to have been one of the UK's most prolific abusers, with about 300 possible victims.
Detectives are following 400 lines of inquiry as part of the investigation while the BBC has launched an inquiry into the culture and practices at the corporation in the era of Savile's alleged sexual abuse.
It is also looking at the decision-making process that saw a Newsnight investigation into Savile's activities shelved.
It also emerged Savile boasted that he slept with nurses in a hospital where he abused sick and disabled patients, one of his victims claimed last night.
Managers allegedly gave Savile his own room at Stoke Mandeville hospital in Buckinghamshire where several of his victims have alleged he abused them.
There are suspicions that a blind eye was turned to child abuse because Savile raised millions of pounds for the hospital. In a further disclosure, Edwina Currie, a former health minister who appointed Savile to a position at Broadmoor, said he had information that “gave him a hold” over staff. “As a result ministers were never given the information, when we could have barred him,” she said.
Christine McFarlane, the director of nursing and patient care at Stoke Mandeville in the 1980s and 1990s, said she was unaware of the allegations against Savile. She admitted that staff gave him too much freedom because they were afraid he would “try to take his money away”.
She told ITV News: “He walked through the doors everywhere because he was Jimmy Savile, nobody argued with him.
“There was a fine balance for them [staff] to reach in not upsetting Jimmy to the point where he was likely to walk away or try to take his money away.”
Debbie Curtis, who first met Savile when she was 15 years old, said Savile spent years “pursuing” her. She claims he tried to sexually assault her after inviting her to the hospital to meet patients with spinal injuries.
According to Ms Curtis, who was 22 at the time of the alleged assault in 1987, he told her: “It’s good living in nurses’ quarters because they would often get into my bed at night.”
Seconds later, Ms Curtis says Savile tried to sexually assault her.
She told ITV News: “He said sit down, so I sat on the edge of the bed. And then he proceeded to push me down and tried to get his hands down my pants.
“I pushed him away and said no, and with that he pulled his trousers down. He started saying I was a bit naughty. I kicked him as hard as I could in the groin, opened the door and ran.”
Two other women claim they were sexually assaulted by Savile while at the hospital as teenagers. Another patient claimed he was fondled in Savile’s Rolls-Royce at a Stoke Mandeville fund-raiser when he was nine.
A 1972 picture of the boy standing next to Savile’s car in Portsmouth hours before he was abused was released by lawyers for the victim in an attempt to find out why Savile was in the area.
There were also further allegations about Savile at Leeds General Infirmary.
Terry Pratt, a former porter, claimed Savile frequently took teenage girls to a private hospital block after being given the keys in the 1980s. Mr Pratt says Savile began arriving at night with different girls who seemed “star-struck”.
Leeds General Infirmary said it believed Mr Pratt was mistaken in his comments because he did not start working at the trust until 1990. The trust said it had been assured porters did not have keys for the nurses’ accommodation.
A spokesman for Buckinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust, which runs Stoke Mandeville Hospital, said: “We have no record of any incidents of this nature. We take the protection of our patients very seriously.”
Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister has said “heads will need to roll” at the BBC if it is found that Savile’s abuse was ignored or abetted.
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What a monster.
 
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vcassano1 said:
So, they considered him a monster and yet did nothing?
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That’s what bothers me the most about all of this, i know times were different ect but the sheer amount of people who seem to have known about all of his actions yet either did nothing or actually helped him commit his crimes is disgusting.

In my mind if it comes out people who worked for these hospitals or TV studios ect knew about all of this they should be tried as an accessory. I saw the Panarama(I think) doc about him and some of the witnesses were smiling when talking about the stuff they saw, almost as if they were reminiscing about it all yet they suddenly come forward like they are some hero revealing the truth when they should have been doing this 30 years ago.
 
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Dirtyshubb said:
That’s what bothers me the most about all of this, i know times were different ect but the sheer amount of people who seem to have known about all of his actions yet either did nothing or actually helped him commit his crimes is disgusting.

In my mind if it comes out people who worked for these hospitals or TV studios ect knew about all of this they should be tried as an accessory. I saw the Panarama(I think) doc about him and some of the witnesses were smiling when talking about the stuff they saw, almost as if they were reminiscing about it all yet they suddenly come forward like they are some hero revealing the truth when they should have been doing this 30 years ago.
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The thing is, it depends if they heard rumours or directly experienced it. You can't act based on rumours, but if you personally witnessed it and did not report it, you are culpable.

By that report, this is a trained psychiatrist admitting to knowing the dangers of Savile and yet doing nothing. That warrants severe punishment. He should - at the very least - not be allowed to continue to practice, if those quotes are accurate.
 
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The Sky News video of him trying to stick his hand up a girl's skirt sat next to him on TOTP is rather damning! She complained to the floor managers but they just laughed at her.

This is all the tip of an iceberg I think.
 
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vcassano1 said:
The thing is, it depends if they heard rumours or directly experienced it. You can't act based on rumours, but if you personally witnessed it and did not report it, you are culpable.

By that report, this is a trained psychiatrist admitting to knowing the dangers of Savile and yet doing nothing. That warrants severe punishment. He should - at the very least - not be allowed to continue to practice, if those quotes are accurate.
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Oh no of course I understand not blaming people who only heard about such stuff, although surely anonymous phone calls to the police should have been made but it just seems like 'everyone' knew about it yet their attitude was just 'he’s dodgy, stay away from him' instead of 'that’s disgusting, and illegal so im going to call the police of my suspicions.'

When you hear stories of the hospital guards herding girls to his caravan for him to abuse, then locking 1 up in solitary because she managed to escape and to scare her into being quiet surely these people need to be tracked down!
 
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Hearing this shit is like the movie '9mm'. It blows my mind that so many people could know this was happening and yet this twisted, evil cretin still managed to get away with it his entire life.

So many people involved in letting these sickening schemes thrive will just walk away and live their lives like nothing happened. Its fucked.
 
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FGMPR said:
Hearing this shit is like the movie '9mm'. It blows my mind that so many people could know this was happening and yet this twisted, evil cretin still managed to get away with it his entire life.

So many people involved in letting these sickening schemes thrive will just walk away and live their lives like nothing happened. Its fucked.
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The even scarier part is just wondering how much of this goes on, i mean we have all heard the stories of how bad Hollywood is/was.

To see how much Savile got away with and how many people he has abused, all form one man is scary because we all know there are a lot more people out there who have the ability to get away with such crimes.
 
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Dirtyshubb said:
The even scarier part is just wondering how much of this goes on, i mean we have all heard the stories of how bad Hollywood is/was.

To see how much Savile got away with and how many people he has abused, all form one man is scary because we all know there are a lot more people out there who have the ability to get away with such crimes.
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Yeah, exactly. He was just one small cog in various 'machines'. It just feels like a systematic failure at every level.
 
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Dirtyshubb said:
The even scarier part is just wondering how much of this goes on, i mean we have all heard the stories of how bad Hollywood is/was.
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Think about any institution/club/organisation that is youth-focused and the potential for grooming and abuse is there.

Celtic Boys Club being the best example that springs to my mind right now.
 
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industrian said:
Think about any institution/club/organisation that is youth-focused and the potential for grooming and abuse is there.

Celtic Boys Club being the best example that springs to my mind right now.
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Now this is going to be interesting.

.., have you seen the newspaper article/photo of Saville shaking hands with Jock Stein at some Celtic event? I'm not saying these events are connected..., but if they were. Yiiiiiiiiiikes.
 
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Busty said:
Now this is going to be interesting.

.., have you seen the newspaper article/photo of Saville shaking hands with Jock Stein at some Celtic event? I'm not saying these events are connected..., but if they were. Yiiiiiiiiiikes.
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I was just making a comment on how unscrupulous individuals will take advantage of clubs/organisations that focus on youngsters.

And on how certain other individuals will both know about something and do nothing about it.
 
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Dirtyshubb said:
That’s what bothers me the most about all of this, i know times were different ect but the sheer amount of people who seem to have known about all of his actions yet either did nothing or actually helped him commit his crimes is disgusting.

In my mind if it comes out people who worked for these hospitals or TV studios ect knew about all of this they should be tried as an accessory. I saw the Panarama(I think) doc about him and some of the witnesses were smiling when talking about the stuff they saw, almost as if they were reminiscing about it all yet they suddenly come forward like they are some hero revealing the truth when they should have been doing this 30 years ago.
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It just amazes me more people didn't try and come forward sooner.
 
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Iain Overton ‏@iainoverton
If all goes well we've got a Newsnight out tonight about a very senior political figure who is a paedophile.
 
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Busty said:
Now this is going to be interesting.

.., have you seen the newspaper article/photo of Saville shaking hands with Jock Stein at some Celtic event? I'm not saying these events are connected..., but if they were. Yiiiiiiiiiikes.
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Big Jock knew, Big Jock knew!

I have to admit I didn't know anything about the origin of that chant until very recently.
 
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mrklaw said:
1 - he's a dirty old man
2 - 13-16 aren't young girls. They're either young women, or girls. Young girls is usual tabloid sensationalism.
3 - arguably not even a pedophile, just a vanilla criminal.
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you're fucking nuts. a 13 year old is a young girl. a 16 year old is a young girl. disgusting.
 
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Yenrot said:
Iain Overton ‏@iainoverton
If all goes well we've got a Newsnight out tonight about a very senior political figure who is a paedophile.
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Anyone else hurriedly running through a list of possible suspects in their head?
 
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It doesn't actually say British. It has crossed my mind that it could simply be Berlusconi, which I suspect would surprise very few people, although he's not really a political figure any *more*.

It being Romney would be... spectacular.

I do still think it's more likely to be British, though; and, for that matter, I seem to keep coming back to 80's Thatcher government era. Not necessarily a Tory, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the allegations are of someone from then.


Would a Lord count as a senior political figure, or would we probably be best off assuming they're talking Commons?
 
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