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[Raven117]

They actually release numbers here, or is he just making sheet up?

 

[Kacho]

They actually release numbers here, or is he just making sheet up?

Dring can't share data. He's doing what he always does which is putting out vague comparisons without any data to spin a particular narrative. In this instance, I would strongly question his motive. If Veilguard ends up unperforming like Outlaws did then he's only damaging his credibility.

 

[Pandawan]

• It performed slightly worse than SW Outlaws.

• he seems to think that the game has done alright.

Where is logic here? Star Wars Outlaws tanked Ubisoft, it was a failure. If Dragon Age The Veilguar perfoormed slightly worse, it means it is a disaster too

 

[rm082e]

He's just looking at the UK, not global sales.

Let's see what Andrew Wilson has to say about this game on the next two EA Financial calls.

 

[Woopah]

Dring can't share data. He's doing what he always does which is putting out vague comparisons without any data to spin a particular narrative. In this instance, I would strongly question his motive. If Veilguard ends up unperforming like Outlaws did then he's only damaging his credibility.

Say you were in Dring's place. What would you have said differently?

He's looked at the numbers and told us which other 2024 releases sold similar amounts at launch. I don't understand why you think he's spinning a narrative.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I don't think it did terrible but it didn't do that well either for a comeback of Bioware and this franchise. Steam charts are pretty telling, and 80k peak isn't quite the number I would've liked to see if I were EA. Dragons Dogma should be more niche and peaked at 200k, which is 3 times as much.

 

[Pandawan]

Also Dragon's Dogma peaked at 228,585 concurrent players while DA:tV only peaked at 89k. I know online peaks don't always align with sales numbers, but a game with 3x the concurrent players of another game is unlikely to perform at the same level in terms of sales numbers.

And this dude says it did.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Seems like it did pretty middle of the road compared to most other games.

Only EA will be able to tell if it's a sales failure or not.

 

[UnrealEck]

Cool, I don't believe him though.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Playing Rebirth was almost as much fun as shit talking Veilguard, so in a dollar-per-joy metric, I guess Dragon Age wins.

 

[PSlayer]

Star wars outlaws and FF7 underperformed at best,flopped at worst and Dragon's dogma is a niche game with likelly a much more modest budget than any of the other 3 games.

I don't see how DAtV can be doing fine as the Tweet says.

 

[stn]

If Outlaws sold less than a million in total, that means that its UK sales were less than a million, and so that means Veilguard's sales were even less than that - whatever that number is. How many units did Outlaws sell just in the UK?

 

[Raven117]

Dring can't share data. He's doing what he always does which is putting out vague comparisons without any data to spin a particular narrative. In this instance, I would strongly question his motive. If Veilguard ends up unperforming like Outlaws did then he's only damaging his credibility.

Yeah, without numbers, I’m going to assume he is making shit up.

 

[Woopah]

They actually release numbers here, or is he just making sheet up?

Dring can't share data. He's doing what he always does which is putting out vague comparisons without any data to spin a particular narrative. In this instance, I would strongly question his motive. If Veilguard ends up unperforming like Outlaws did then he's only damaging his credibility.

Yeah, without numbers, I’m going to assume he is making shit up.

The actual numbers come from Game Sales Data (GSD). Dring is allowed to report on their data and chart placements, but he's not allowed to share the numbers (since GSD wants people to pay them for the numbers).

 

[VanCityGamer]

We already knew it was a success from 100K CCUs on Steam alone, the game probably sold a metric shit ton of EA Ultimate subs as well. Now we have confirmed data (from parallels to Rebirth, a console and PS5 exclusive) strongly suggesting the consoles are dramatically outperforming PC. Pack it up, it's over, the game's doing very well. No it's not GTA, but it's probably sitting somewhere between 2 mil and 3 mil in just a couple weeks.

I legitimately can’t tell if you are trolling.

Rebirth was panned for being a FAILURE in terms of sales. So being compared to it is far from a compliment.

So your argument is it “probably sold a metric shit ton” based on your feelings. Makes sense.

P.s. it didn’t hit 100K concurrent on steam.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

We already knew it was a success from 100K CCUs on Steam alone, the game probably sold a metric shit ton of EA Ultimate subs as well. Now we have confirmed data (from parallels to Rebirth, a console and PS5 exclusive) strongly suggesting the consoles are dramatically outperforming PC. Pack it up, it's over, the game's doing very well. No it's not GTA, but it's probably sitting somewhere between 2 mil and 3 mil in just a couple weeks.

A success for a game that was in perpetual development hell?

 

[Nasigil]

You guys gonna have to come to terms with the fact that the game is a success. The broader public doesn't care about wokeness.

SW Outlaws sold a meager 1 million after a month and was considered a financial failure, it actually tanked Ubisoft's share price. Veilguard sold "slightly worse" than that.

If that's your standard for success, then I wish all woke games in the future are as successful as Veilguard.

 

[Kacho]

Say you were in Dring's place. What would you have said differently?

He's looked at the numbers and told us which other 2024 releases sold similar amounts at launch. I don't understand why you think he's spinning a narrative.

I would have left out this “but from his perspective, he seems to think that the game has done alright.”

 

[Griffon]

UK is full clown-world, doesn't represent Europe.

 

[StereoVsn]

Veilguard didn't hit 100k CCUs on Steam. We have no idea what EA subs did. Rebirth was only on one platform and Square Enix was not happy with its sales.

That post was basically George Costanza approach.

 

[gpn]

We already knew it was a success from 100K CCUs on Steam alone, the game probably sold a metric shit ton of EA Ultimate subs as well. Now we have confirmed data (from parallels to Rebirth, a console and PS5 exclusive) strongly suggesting the consoles are dramatically outperforming PC. Pack it up, it's over, the game's doing very well. No it's not GTA, but it's probably sitting somewhere between 2 mil and 3 mil in just a couple weeks.

Is this post sarcasm? I can't always tell on this site. If it isn't... yikes.

 

[Woopah]

I would have left out this “but from his perspective, he seems to think that the game has done alright.”

Thank you for clarifying.

From I can tell from the podcast, he's saying the Dragon Age numbers themselves aren't particularly high or low. So it just depends on whether EA were expecting it to do Star Wars numbers or Dragon's Dogma numbers.

 

[Raven117]

The actual numbers come from Game Sales Data (GSD). Dring is allowed to report on their data and chart placements, but he's not allowed to share the numbers (since GSD wants people to pay them for the numbers).

Then there is little way for us to verify any of what he said. AND its up to his own interpretation.

Yeah....

 

[Shodai]

PS5 Trade-In price for the game is at $22. Doesn't take much to extrapolate sales numbers by that alone.

Gamestop is the new polymarket.

 

[Woopah]

Then there is little way for us to verify any of what he said. AND its up to his own interpretation.

Yeah....

We can verify it by it coming from GSD, who are professional sales trackers.

The sales of Dragon Age in the UK being close to DD2, Rebirth and Outlaws is fact, not interpretation.

 

[mayham2199]

SW Outlaws sold a meager 1 million after a month and was considered a financial failure, it actually tanked Ubisoft's share price. Veilguard sold "slightly worse" than that.

If that's your standard for success, then I wish all woke games in the future are as successful as Veilguard.

Yea but SW outlaws is paying a shitload for the right to use the SW IP. I would bet Disney charges even more for SW IP than they do for Marvel.

 

[Brigandier]

So sad that Rebirth sold like shit.... this game deserves gangbuster numbers

Fucking console gamers in 2024, especially in the UK nearly everyone who has a PS5 plays fifa cod fortnite and war zone only.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

Veilguard’s CCU peaked at 40% of Dragon’s Dogma 2 on SteamDB. Guess Veilguard must be selling like hotcakes on Origin and consoles huh?

Aaaand done.

 

[Rockman33]

Just a reminder, this idiot defended Starfield during some weeks/months...

It’s almost 2025 and you’re still talking about Starfield launch numbers? Just let it gooo

 

[buenoblue]

Outlaws and vielguard are both of subsription services so obviously sales would be lower

 

[stn]

So sad that Rebirth sold like shit.... this game deserves gangbuster numbers

Fucking console gamers in 2024, especially in the UK nearly everyone who has a PS5 plays fifa cod fortnite and war zone only.

I wonder how much of Rebirth's sales has to do with being only on one console, and being part of a (currently) unfinished trilogy release. Maybe some people are waiting for part three before jumping in? I beat Remake in the same year it released, so I forgot what happened by the time I started Rebirth this year.

 

[ZehDon]

Where is logic here? Star Wars Outlaws tanked Ubisoft, it was a failure. If Dragon Age The Veilguar perfoormed slightly worse, it means it is a disaster too

Star Wars Outlaws likely had a larger budget and higher expectations due to the Star Wars branding, whereas Dragon Age appears to have had a smaller budget and lower overall expectations (no DLC, no micro-transactions, no DRM, etc). It's entirely plausible that Dragon Age has done "ok" sales wise for EA while doing Outlaws numbers that were so disastrous for Ubisoft.

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

DA:V sales in the UK are broadly identical to those of Dragon's Dogma 2 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
+
It performed slightly worse than SW Outlaws
=
he seems to think that the game has done alright.

C O P E

 

[Raven117]

We can verify it by it coming from GSD, who are professional sales trackers.

The sales of Dragon Age in the UK being close to DD2, Rebirth and Outlaws is fact, not interpretation.

Of course its interpretation. (not saying these are the sales numbers) DD2 Sold 500,000 in its first week. DA sold 250,000. One could say. Yeah, its close. Another could say it isnt.

Without numbers we CANNOT compare whether they are close or not. Just have to take some dude's word for it.

 

[Brigandier]

I wonder how much of Rebirth's sales has to do with being only on one console, and being part of a (currently) unfinished trilogy release. Maybe some people are waiting for part three before jumping in? I beat Remake in the same year it released, so I forgot what happened by the time I started Rebirth this year.

Fair comment.

PS5 exclusivity hurt it badly, A really good solid day 1 PC release could have really helped.

 

[PauloRoberto]

It’s almost 2025 and you’re still talking about Starfield launch numbers? Just let it gooo

I dont pig a pig's arse about those numbers, but this is a example of how flamable his comments are. (you can change it for Astro Bot's lanunch news, it's the same thing).

 

[ByWatterson]

And surely cost MUCH more.

 

[Woopah]

Of course its interpretation. (not saying these are the sales numbers) DD2 Sold 500,000 in its first week. DA sold 250,000. One could say. Yeah, its close. Another could say it isnt.

Without numbers we CANNOT compare whether they are close or not. Just have to take some dude's word for it.

Well that's a 50% or 250,00 difference, so no pressional would say that is close.

Chris has previously told us that DD2 was narrowly ahead of Rebirth and he says those games and DA:V are nearly identical. He specifically talks about how close the three numbers are, so it's not going to be a 30% gap in sales or anything like that.

The full article from Chris should come this week or next, so hopefully we'll get the exact %s from that.

 

[pulicat]

Something seems off about all this.

Star Wars Outlaws sold 1 million according to Insider Gaming. Dragon's Dogma 2 sold 2.5 million in a week. Veilguard supposedly sold less than Outlaws but on part with DD2? I guess it could be that either Veilguard just did much better in the UK than it did anywhere else or DD2 did worse.

Star Wars Outlaws Has Sold Just 1 Million Copies In The Month Since It Launched

Star Wars Outlaws has sold just one million units since being released at the tail end of August 2024. Check out the full story here.

insider-gaming.com

DD2 had strong launch sales in the US and Asia while doing okay in the Europe, Outlaws was doing ok in the UK but had disappointing sales in the US and totally flopped in Asia.

I bet Veilguard is going to be in the middle between DD2 and Outlaws. UK is the strongest country for Veilguard based on PS store chart.

US - 7
UK - 4
Germany - 5
France - 11
Spain - 11
Italy - 12
Japan - 33


Launch sales estimate
DD2 - 2.5m
Rebirth ~2m
Veilguard ~??
Outlaws -1m

 

[Peroroncino]

How is doing slightly worse than a confirmed sales bomb “alright”?

This guy uses bizarre metrics.

this guy is a moron, he literally said in a tweet no game ever made had a budget of over 400 mil when trying to refute the leak back during the concord' budget discourse.

 

[Fake]

- DA:V sales in the UK are broadly identical to those of Dragon's Dogma 2 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth (Chris mentions that it's weird how similar the launch numbers are).
- It performed slightly worse than SW Outlaws.

Something is really wrong with this affirmation.

 

[Raven117]

Well that's a 50% or 250,00 difference, so no pressional would say that is close.

Chris has previously told us that DD2 was narrowly ahead of Rebirth and he says those games and DA:V are nearly identical. He specifically talks about how close the three numbers are, so it's not going to be a 30% gap in sales or anything like that.

The full article from Chris should come this week or next, so hopefully we'll get the exact %s from that.

You may ultimately be right, but you are making a lot of assumptions. That’s my point.

Until we see the numbers, it cannot be verified by us. You understand this, yes?

 

[Woopah]

You may ultimately be right, but you are making a lot of assumptions. That’s my point.

Until we see the numbers, it cannot be verified by us. You understand this, yes?

We're never going to get the actual numbers.

We can verify that Chris has access to the data. But you're right that we can't verify what % Chris means by "close" or "narrow" until/if Chris tells us what the % difference is.

 

[Topher]

DD2 had strong launch sales in the US and Asia while doing okay in the Europe, Outlaws was doing ok in the UK but had disappointing sales in the US and totally flopped in Asia.

I bet Veilguard is going to be in the middle between DD2 and Outlaws. UK is the strongest country for Veilguard based on PS store chart.

US - 7
UK - 4
Germany - 5
France - 11
Spain - 11
Italy - 12
Japan - 33


Launch sales estimate
DD2 - 2.5m
Rebirth ~2m
Veilguard ~??
Outlaws -1m

Seems like a reasonable estimation. I can't imagine EA is going to be happy with those numbers if accurate.

 

[StereoVsn]

Star Wars Outlaws likely had a larger budget and higher expectations due to the Star Wars branding, whereas Dragon Age appears to have had a smaller budget and lower overall expectations (no DLC, no micro-transactions, no DRM, etc). It's entirely plausible that Dragon Age has done "ok" sales wise for EA while doing Outlaws numbers that were so disastrous for Ubisoft.

Veilguard development took quite a long time and seemed to have restarted couple of times. Yes, the full team was not working on the game during this entire period, but overall dev costs can’t have been cheap once you also include marketing.

In addition it’s a follow up to a 12 million seller and potentially a third in a row flop for BioWare. That’s a lot of misses and a lot of much more profitable games could have been produced during the last 10 years out of BioWare as a whole.

 

[Portugeezer]

Trying not to be biased and... It still seems like a flop.

 

[FunkMiller]

Feels like the word 'broadly' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here...

 

[Raven117]

We're never going to get the actual numbers.

We can verify that Chris has access to the data. But you're right that we can't verify what % Chris means by "close" or "narrow" until/if Chris tells us what the % difference is.

Alrighty! Good deal. I’ll take it.

(And you can also see how if someone with an agenda could manipulate what “close” or “narrow” means in this context).

 

[Denton]

It is hilarious how invested these activist journalists are into downplaying this game bombing.

 

[STARSBarry]

Please note, the UK is likely an anomaly compared to the rest of Europe as historically Bioware games sell better there than the other territories.

So potentially being inbetween "within expectations" DD2 and "certified flop" Outlaws is a only in the UK type deal. This has also been suggested given that Vielguard is #4 on PSN top sellers in the UK on launch but outside the top 10 within the majority of EU.

I'm sure he will let us know, but as above it's likely.