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Chrono Trigger DS: The |OT|
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I wouldn't say there's no grinding in Chrono Trigger. Throughout the game there isn't, but Lavos' final form is a huge pain in the ass and I'm level 48-49 with Chrono, Frog, and Robo. I believe I was at 41-42 when I beat his first form, then I went on a bunch of sidequests that I didn't really want to do to grind out some levels. I'm still losing to him, so I may hit some of the bigger sidequests tomorrow for more gear/levels.
Kinda disappointing, considering the game has been cake up until now.
Kinda disappointing, considering the game has been cake up until now.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Yeah, doing the sidequests and getting the epic equipment is sort of a necessity.Mamesj said:
Little Green Yoda
Member
The thing is, the sidequests are more than about gaining some extra levels. The more powerful equipment is found in the sidequests and the improved gear will help as much (if not more) than the few additional levels you get from them
but I guess if you grind like crazy, the levels will outweigh the equipment
Segata Sanshiro
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Also, the sidequests round out the story. They may be optional, but I definitely wouldn't consider finishing them as "grinding", any more than I'd consider doing the skippable levels in Super Mario Bros. as "grinding".
Elfforkusu
Member
I'd classify the "sidequests" as more "non-linear story segments" than sidequests in the traditional sense. You're meant to complete them -- you're just not locked into a set order.
The new DS crap, on the other hand, you can ignore.
The new DS crap, on the other hand, you can ignore.
Because otherwise you'll have to admit that Chrono Cross exists.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
There's actually a better reason to ignore that stuff; the new content is boring and shitty.Elfforkusu said:
Just played through 90% of the game since forever !!! Man this game is so good, even better than in memory. I just finished all the sidequests beside Black Omen and Rainbow Shell. I'm gonna also try for Lost Sanctum (whatever it's called) to get some good gears before I fight Lavos. Then I'll go for that new ending with Dimensional Vortex and see what the fuss was all about. I haven't played Chrono Cross in a long while too but I was bored by it after playing it a while. I also didn't quite see the connection between CT and CC when I first played CC so maybe I'll go through CC after I finish CT DS this time.
Red Scarlet
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Mamesj said:
Just go through the big Black Dream/Omen ship thing. Ayla can steal Last/Megalixirs and the gold earrings that reduce MP cost to 1/4. Those should be more than enough to get you through the last boss.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Well, if you don't want to do them, but you kind of have to, then it's a grind.
On the other hand, playing through them has been very enjoyable...just when I think I'm ready to finish it, I find myself doing more and more of the sidequests. This game is pretty amazing!
well, now I may have to do it. I decided to play that game after hearing the Retronauts podcast about it.
It usually annoys me when there are many story/character related sidequests made available only right before you can face the last boss (SH3, I'm looking at you) but for some reason it doesn't bother me in CT. Maybe it's because I feel it makes sense, you are travelling through time after all so there's no "rush" to save the world. 
And yeah, I did the extra content in the DS version and overall I found it to be quite sucky. Copypasta stuff + long fetch quests through the same areas + cheap bosses that make your entire party MP go to 1 a bunch of times. I guess it wasn't that bad since I completed them all but you can live without doing them.
And yeah, I did the extra content in the DS version and overall I found it to be quite sucky. Copypasta stuff + long fetch quests through the same areas + cheap bosses that make your entire party MP go to 1 a bunch of times. I guess it wasn't that bad since I completed them all but you can live without doing them.
The CT - CC ties are pretty tenuous and half-baked, and nothing new in this version of CT really makes things any better, for feel any less forced.
Ever since finishing up CT DS a few months ago, I've been slowly puttering away at CC on my PSP, and I finally completed it a few nights ago. The whole game was entirely forgettable, but especially the story and characters. It was a poorly written, poorly conceived mess. It literally feels like a completely different RPG that was shoe-horned into the Chrono license really late in development, kind of what happened with Rare's Dinosaur Planet.
Ever since finishing up CT DS a few months ago, I've been slowly puttering away at CC on my PSP, and I finally completed it a few nights ago. The whole game was entirely forgettable, but especially the story and characters. It was a poorly written, poorly conceived mess. It literally feels like a completely different RPG that was shoe-horned into the Chrono license really late in development, kind of what happened with Rare's Dinosaur Planet.
CT had better music, and WAY better locations.
The El Nido Peninsula fucking sucked. And it was tiny. Not being able to visit the main continent of Zenan, was a crime. And exploring two almost identical "world" maps was a horrible replacement for CT's time-traveling, particularly since the two dimensions were almost completely distinct, with no real cross-over.
The whole game was a mess, and a complete missed opportunity. They even got Schala's hair and outfit completely wrong. Almost... as if... (dare I say it?) they added her to the last boss's model... AT THE LAST MOMENT!
*shakes head*
What a huge disappointment it was.
I'm almost tempted to create a very vitriolic LTTP thread, but I'm too sick to be bothered.
The El Nido Peninsula fucking sucked. And it was tiny. Not being able to visit the main continent of Zenan, was a crime. And exploring two almost identical "world" maps was a horrible replacement for CT's time-traveling, particularly since the two dimensions were almost completely distinct, with no real cross-over.
The whole game was a mess, and a complete missed opportunity. They even got Schala's hair and outfit completely wrong. Almost... as if... (dare I say it?) they added her to the last boss's model... AT THE LAST MOMENT!
*shakes head*
What a huge disappointment it was.
I'm almost tempted to create a very vitriolic LTTP thread, but I'm too sick to be bothered.
I wasn't comparing though.Mejilan said:
I played CC more "on its own" than most people, I don't care even a bit that it's connected to CT or anything. I think it's an ok game.
Regardless of that, I agree that the last boss was retarded, both from a plot and gameplay point of view.
Yeah, the 'bad' ending was a joke. Basically just a credits scroll.
The 'good' ending (finishing the Chrono Cross sequence) was just unsatisfying, and had almost no closure whatsoever. What happened to Schala? What happened to Janus? How were Home World and Another World merged? Did one supercede the other? Where the two somehow blended together? If so, how? Is El Nido fully opened up to the main continent? What exactly happens after the Time Crash? Does that future time line even exist anymore? A far cry from CT's ending, IMHO, which did a pretty good job of closing most of the plot threads sufficiently.
At the very least, CC compromised its own story enough that I'm content to have CT exist as one time line and CC exist as another (two) time lines. With Radical Dreamers as a fourth timeline (Another Another World, if you will). But CC basically confirms that last point in any event. Shame that Radical Dreamers wasn't rolled into CC's canon, since it actually HAD Janus in it, unlike CC. Oh well, another missed opportunity.
The 'good' ending (finishing the Chrono Cross sequence) was just unsatisfying, and had almost no closure whatsoever. What happened to Schala? What happened to Janus? How were Home World and Another World merged? Did one supercede the other? Where the two somehow blended together? If so, how? Is El Nido fully opened up to the main continent? What exactly happens after the Time Crash? Does that future time line even exist anymore? A far cry from CT's ending, IMHO, which did a pretty good job of closing most of the plot threads sufficiently.
At the very least, CC compromised its own story enough that I'm content to have CT exist as one time line and CC exist as another (two) time lines. With Radical Dreamers as a fourth timeline (Another Another World, if you will). But CC basically confirms that last point in any event. Shame that Radical Dreamers wasn't rolled into CC's canon, since it actually HAD Janus in it, unlike CC. Oh well, another missed opportunity.
Not to mention the massive exposition the phantom!CT characters do at the beach right before that lame fight. I don't even remember if there was a a clear in-game way to realize the order of the elements sequence, I just used a FAQ.
I wonder what (if any) sort of plans SE has with the Chrono franchise by now. Do we know how CT DS did in sales?
I wonder what (if any) sort of plans SE has with the Chrono franchise by now. Do we know how CT DS did in sales?
Ahhh, mostly the same order as the divine dragon/time devourer fight at the top of the terra tower, IIRC. Only, I think it starts off as white innate, so that part of the sequence is actually out of order... lol. I used a FAQ as well.
IIRC, it was Yellow, Red, Green, Blue, Black, White, Chrono Cross.
IIRC, it was Yellow, Red, Green, Blue, Black, White, Chrono Cross.
This is the problem. I keep getting conflicting info about Chrono Cross-- first I was touched by Parish's story about the game and everyone on that episode seemed to like it, then I see a mountain of internet hate for it, then I see some reviews that tell me not to listen to the hate, then I see a post like Mejilan's outlining how horrible it seems.
I should just play Vagrant Story first, then decide.
I should just play Vagrant Story first, then decide.
Play it and decide for yourself. If nothing else, the gameplay was... interesting. The game's very polarizing. Even on its own merits, I just couldn't like it. Be prepared for some pretty slow gameplay, slow battles, and a story that keeps on hinting at some awesome development, but never delivers! It just keeps on stringing you along until it just ends.
Musically, there are some CC tracks that easily beat out the best CT has to offer, but CT has way, way more music that I liked, versus CC. It was a consistently better OST, IMHO.
Musically, there are some CC tracks that easily beat out the best CT has to offer, but CT has way, way more music that I liked, versus CC. It was a consistently better OST, IMHO.
Elfforkusu
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Chrono Cross has amazing music. One of the best videogame OSTs ever. (of course, so does CT)
Anyway, back to Chrono Trigger. How awesome is this game? So awesome.
Anyway, back to Chrono Trigger. How awesome is this game? So awesome.
Chrono Cross is a really great and creative RPG, only with a weak supporting cast (basically outside of a handful of major characters, everyone is paint-by-numbers) and a somewhat nonsensical plot. That said, it's a JRPG, so a nonsensical plot is pretty excusable.Mamesj said:
It's a really good late Playstation era RPG. It leaves a lot to be desired as a Chrono Trigger sequel. It's mostly a matter of which is more important to you: its merit as a standalone RPG or its merit as a direct sequel to CT?
The blinking lights in one of the rooms also gives you the order for the CC. I remember figuring it out because of the bosses though.
I'm a big CC guy though. Sure it has flaws, and some people don't like stories where it takes too much time to digest. But the music, gameplay, and even the art direction really resonate with me. I really do love CC.
I'm a big CC guy though. Sure it has flaws, and some people don't like stories where it takes too much time to digest. But the music, gameplay, and even the art direction really resonate with me. I really do love CC.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Do we ever find out why theres a Nu in the forest where you first meet Frog? Or who that girl is standing with Glenn and Cyrus when they fight the Frog King?
Don't recall
Don't recall
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
I just played through that exact scene this morning and was wondering that myself. A Cyrus' quest would be a cool game (but one that's ultimately depressing).John Harker said:
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Mejilan said:
You can't fight him, though. He's quick but you can catch him and he says something like, "ohh, you naughty boy you" or something stalkerish
I'd love to see a new installment on the Wii, with different motions acting as QTEs for combination techs. It would look dorky as hell but would sure feel good It would be a nice way to use the wii without overusing it.
It would have to be another generation in the future though. It's too late to go back to Crono and the gang
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It would be a nice way to use the wii without overusing it.It would have to be another generation in the future though. It's too late to go back to Crono and the gang
not to mention a bunch of them don't last too long...
viciouskillersquirrel
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Yeah, mops are cool. They have less attack power than the wooden sword you start the game with.BorkBork said:
Victrix said:What's this I read about save files getting corrupted if you installed the game to the HD on the 360? Now I'm all paranoid and scared
Installing a DS game onto your 360's HDD? You'll have to teach me that trick...
Elfforkusu
Member
That's probably why it got corrupted.Mejilan said:Installing a DS game onto your 360's HDD? You'll have to teach me that trick...
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKK
So I beat Death Peak and started the side quests to ramp up to Lavos.
I beat the
and that cut scene played out. After the campfire
I didn't know the code! I didn't even know you could type in a code! I feel so shitty
What a great game this is that makes me feel for the characters so much that I feel regret for not doing what I could. It's no wonder why this is considered the best jRPG ever.
So I beat Death Peak and started the side quests to ramp up to Lavos.
I beat the
Sunken Desert
Lucca goes back in time and you find out how her mom got paralyzed. Turns out I could have saved her!
What a great game this is that makes me feel for the characters so much that I feel regret for not doing what I could. It's no wonder why this is considered the best jRPG ever.
There was ajon bones said:
piece of paper in the other room that had the password
It's nice when
she's saved because when you go see her in the present after that she's still sitting there and you think "oh well..." but then she suddenly gets up and starts walking