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Chuck versus the NeoGAF - The Official Season 4 Thread - Mondays on NBC
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GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
Finally going to watch the episode. Girls on Chuck? Damn.
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
Getting off of the relationship topic for a bit, I think the only other thing that has annoyed me this season is their use of the Intersect 2.0. Last year they seemed a lot more creative with it, whether it was Chuck flashing on how to play a guitar or learning how to yell at an old lady in Mandarin. This year it has been nothing but kung-fu. Hell, he even had to flash to be capable of punching Stone Cold in the face while dangling into an air vent. The only thing I really consider to be a plus is they have ensured that just because he flashes doesn't mean he is guaranteed to win a fight, e.g. Stone Cold kicking his ass in the cage fight.
GoutPatrol
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That "Socialist dream" line kinda pisses me off.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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This summarizes my view on this episode. Still a very good one, and definitely better than episode 3 but I feel like this whole relationship problem stuff is being forced. I don't think it's really necessary. I tend to like the more light-hearted episodes with the Buy Morons.
Also, I feel like the show's diminished budget is really holding it back (almost no location/outdoor shots? Sorry I don't know what to call that stuff) but then again, this is better than no Chuck at all.
Also, I feel like the show's diminished budget is really holding it back (almost no location/outdoor shots? Sorry I don't know what to call that stuff) but then again, this is better than no Chuck at all.
Spotless Mind
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You bring up a good point there and i'm sure if the in-your-face relationship issues are toned down, i'll appreciate this episode more in retrospect. I don't think you can blame myself and others for not trusting the writers when it comes to their handling of all things Chuck/Sarah. :lolSolo said:
Cornballer
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Regarding Shipper Gate Part Deux: Chuck and Sarah Boogaloo, I think this quote from the Onion AV Club review sums up my thoughts on it.
I just don't enjoy it as much when it's on-the-nose all the time. Let's get some more spy action and humor, and leave the relationship stuff in the background for a while. Not a huge deal for me - just a minor complaint.
sweetvar26
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That was a good episode. Loved that grin on Chuck's face at the end 
Spotless Mind said:
Not at all. Like I said, I do believe that this is the first time that I'm not jumping all over them for relationship stuff :lol Fedak and Schwartz have earned any lack of trust the fans have in them by showing repeatedly for 3+ years the inability to move past certain things.
Cornballer
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- New Renew/Cancel index from TVbytheNumbers.
Capsule summary: Outlaw is done. Chase and Undercovers are next in line for cancellation with Chuck still very much on the bubble. This is current through last week's ratings, so it doesn't include Monday's numbers.
Capsule summary: Outlaw is done. Chase and Undercovers are next in line for cancellation with Chuck still very much on the bubble. This is current through last week's ratings, so it doesn't include Monday's numbers.
PhoncipleBone
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And we still need to see how Undercovers does tonight. Chase is next on the chopping block though after this week's dismal performance.Cornballer said:
Insane Metal
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Just yesterday I was able to see season 3's finale. I liked it a lot, but I think season 2's finale was MUCH better.
Captain Awesome statue was ...a...mazing
The rest of the episode is starting to wear thin on me the Chuck/Sarah relationship stuff, even when they are actually together it's getting annoying.
They spent a whole episode trying to figure out if Marriage is a thing to talk about this soon after being an official couple, and now they are like, Sarah is willing to say yes...pssshhh
Let's find Sarah Connor and get this done with
The rest of the episode is starting to wear thin on me the Chuck/Sarah relationship stuff, even when they are actually together it's getting annoying.
They spent a whole episode trying to figure out if Marriage is a thing to talk about this soon after being an official couple, and now they are like, Sarah is willing to say yes...pssshhh
Let's find Sarah Connor and get this done with
PhoncipleBone
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From Ask Ausiello: Not really spoilery, but added tag anyways.
Michael Ausiello said:
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
RevoDS said:
Seriously. Uhm, don't have anything, so here is what I read in an NBC press release.
PhoncipleBone
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Well, he is leaving EW soon. So perhaps he is getting lax before he moves to his new digs.
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
Wads said:
They are apparently filming episode 9 right now, so NBC still has a few weeks to make a decision.
Cornballer
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Man, Ausiello really phoning it in these days.
I would guess that they're going to make some decisions soon because a lot of their shows are reaching the end of their initial production schedules and they need to plan for the Spring, but I don't know if the management shakeup has pushed things back a bit. You'd think that they'd want to let everyone know soon if production is going to continue before people leave for other projects.Screaming_Gremlin said:
The ratings are pretty bad, and that's only slightly mitigated because just about everything else on NBC is tanking and Chuck doesn't cost as much as some of their other shows. It's on the bubble again this year.X-Frame said:
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
Cornballer said:
From what I was reading, they were originally supposed to find out about a back nine after episode two. The management shakeup apparently has delayed a lot of the decisions. That and I have heard there is even a possibility of no back nine, but a pickup for a fifth season.
Cornballer
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At this point, they might be holding out as long as possible to see how far their other shows drop. They know what they're getting from Chuck ratings and budget-wise.Screaming_Gremlin said:
Interesting. I haven't taken a look with what they have in store for the Spring (in terms of new shows and returnees), so I don't know how much room there is on the schedule at the moment.
PhoncipleBone
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More reason to despise her.Medalion said:
But as for the rumor of no back nine, but a fifth season: I would love that. At least that gives us 13 new ones instead of just 9. The problem then is waiting for the new episodes.
Cornballer
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NBC shows keep tanking badly on this week's ratings. Law & Order: LA tied Chuck's 1.9 rating and SVU dropped to just a 2.2.
This week, only these scripted shows beat Chuck, by an ever-decreasing margin)
-Parenthood (2.0, stable)
-The Event (2.2, still on its quick downward trajectory)
-Law & Order: SVU (2.2, down as well)
-The Office (not aired yet but that's a given)
-30 Rock (not aired yet but most likely will)
Chuck's fate is still tied not to its own ratings (which are, objectively, still pretty bad), but to NBC's scripted show average (which will likely be 1.9 this week; it went from 2.4 to 2.1 last week).
I honestly don't see how Chuck could not get a back 9 at this point, executive changes aside. It's their fourth-biggest hourlong, and it's within 15% of their biggest ones (perhaps closer next week). They don't have that many promising shows for the spring, The Cape aside. A fifth season is still a complete toss-up, depending on their pilot crop and whether Comcast decides to go clean on NBC's schedule, but it's a pretty safe assumption at this point that Chuck should get the back 9.
Then again, it's NBC...
This week, only these scripted shows beat Chuck, by an ever-decreasing margin)
-Parenthood (2.0, stable)
-The Event (2.2, still on its quick downward trajectory)
-Law & Order: SVU (2.2, down as well)
-The Office (not aired yet but that's a given)
-30 Rock (not aired yet but most likely will)
Chuck's fate is still tied not to its own ratings (which are, objectively, still pretty bad), but to NBC's scripted show average (which will likely be 1.9 this week; it went from 2.4 to 2.1 last week).
I honestly don't see how Chuck could not get a back 9 at this point, executive changes aside. It's their fourth-biggest hourlong, and it's within 15% of their biggest ones (perhaps closer next week). They don't have that many promising shows for the spring, The Cape aside. A fifth season is still a complete toss-up, depending on their pilot crop and whether Comcast decides to go clean on NBC's schedule, but it's a pretty safe assumption at this point that Chuck should get the back 9.
Then again, it's NBC...
Now - don't get me wrong, I still love this show, but...something has been off to me this season, I'm just not sure what it is. However, an episode of Chuck is pretty much better than anything else NBC has to offer, so, I'm thinking they HAVE to keep it. The more Chuck, the better.
The more Chuck, the better.Sirpopopop
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Well, to inject some controversy here:
Is "real" Chuck only the back half of Season 2 and Season 3? Honestly, compared to Season 1, plus the pile of drek that was the start of Season 3, the episodes this season have been streets ahead of most Chuck episodes broadcast. If an average/disappointing episode is better than most episodes of Chuck, I'm not sure it can be classified as average/disappointing.
Comparatively speaking, IMHO, this season is good. The show is still fun to watch, and while it's not near the highs of Season 2, it's still better than most of what's on TV right now.
Then again, maybe I'm deluding myself here due to the fact that The Event comes on immediately after Chuck, offering a foil that makes any Chuck episode seem so much better in contrast.
I think I'll stick with that story, rather than maybe facing the "truth" that we may be glorifying the show into something greater than what it is, due to one spectacular season.
Is "real" Chuck only the back half of Season 2 and Season 3? Honestly, compared to Season 1, plus the pile of drek that was the start of Season 3, the episodes this season have been streets ahead of most Chuck episodes broadcast. If an average/disappointing episode is better than most episodes of Chuck, I'm not sure it can be classified as average/disappointing.
Comparatively speaking, IMHO, this season is good. The show is still fun to watch, and while it's not near the highs of Season 2, it's still better than most of what's on TV right now.
Then again, maybe I'm deluding myself here due to the fact that The Event comes on immediately after Chuck, offering a foil that makes any Chuck episode seem so much better in contrast.
I think I'll stick with that story, rather than maybe facing the "truth" that we may be glorifying the show into something greater than what it is, due to one spectacular season.
Captain Blood
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Is it sad that I am already excited about the ChuckGAF season 4 music collection?
Sirpopopop
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Solo said:
While I liked S1, I don't think I can put it on the same pedestal as S2.
It suffered from the dreaded TV trope of, "Repeat Origin Story A Billion Times." The show didn't really captivate me until the Stanford episode when they started delving deeper into the show's mythology.
I would view it as:
S2 - Hypercharged Chuck.
S1/S4 (so far) - "Real Chuck."
S3 - Something.
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
Sirpopopop said:
I would put 3.5 along with S1/S4. Pretty much I have agreed on everything in both of your last two posts, except I dropped The Event after the pilot episode.
Captain Blood
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I made it a respectable 3/4ths of the way through The Event pilot. My hats off to you sir.Screaming_Gremlin said:
All of S2 > Anything else.
S2 is the last time the show had any weight. Chuck and Jill and ultimately letting her escape, Sarah killing the defenseless Fulcrum agent to protect Chuck's secret, Sarah going rogue to protect Chuck, Chuck and his dad x100, Casey slowly gaining respect for Chuck. Let's not forget that in S2 Chuck was actually in real danger of being murdered by Beckman. Now that level of seriousness seems way out of place.
The drama in the first half of S3 is shit, and since then everything has just been played for gags, S3 finale excepted. Instead of being an actual menacing badass Casey has been reduced to a sidekick to grunt disapprovingly at Chuck and Sarah. I may be alone here, but I actually much preferred S2 will they or won't they to this silly over the top communication and marriage stuff.
This is not to say I don't enjoy the show, because I most certainly do. But to me "real" Chuck is long dead.
S2 is the last time the show had any weight. Chuck and Jill and ultimately letting her escape, Sarah killing the defenseless Fulcrum agent to protect Chuck's secret, Sarah going rogue to protect Chuck, Chuck and his dad x100, Casey slowly gaining respect for Chuck. Let's not forget that in S2 Chuck was actually in real danger of being murdered by Beckman. Now that level of seriousness seems way out of place.
The drama in the first half of S3 is shit, and since then everything has just been played for gags, S3 finale excepted. Instead of being an actual menacing badass Casey has been reduced to a sidekick to grunt disapprovingly at Chuck and Sarah. I may be alone here, but I actually much preferred S2 will they or won't they to this silly over the top communication and marriage stuff.
This is not to say I don't enjoy the show, because I most certainly do. But to me "real" Chuck is long dead.
aswedc said:
Couldn't have said it better myself. Bolded is especially true. Hard to believe that the Sarah we now know once killed that dude in cold-ass blood. S2 is so clearly heads and shoulders above the rest of the series that I get baffled when I hear people say S3 was their favorite season yet. Makes me say "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?" to the highest degree. And thats even with the opinions and assholes factor considered.
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